Roe deer 'trapped' at Sellafield nuclear site to be shot - but company defends action as 'last resort'

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ANTI-nuclear campaigners have started a petition against plans by Sellafield Limited to cull a group of roe deer ‘trapped’ at its west Cumbrian plant.

To improve security, the company erected a secondary security fence - spanning 11 miles around the site.

But campaigners say this has ‘trapped’ a number of roe deer who now face a cull by the company which has to provide a 'sterile area' between the two fences.

Sellafield Ltd explained around five to 12 deer are involved and the cull was a ‘last resort’ and taken on ‘expert advice’.

It plans to hire 'professional and skilled' marksmen to carry out the cull - working under veterinary supervision.

A Sellafield spokesman explained: “The experts advise that to attempt to tranquilise the deer would cause them great distress, and that they would be likely to injure themselves, perhaps fatally, attempting to flee in what is quite dense undergrowth.

“The advice we have been given is that to cull the deer is more humane and will cause less suffering.”

He pointed out that 350,000 deer are culled in the UK every year, and that leading scientists and wildlife conservationists had called for that number to be 'drastically increased'.

Veterinary consultant Peter Green has also issued a statement through the company saying all possible methods for removing the deer humanely had been carefully considered.

“Unfortunately roe deer do not congregate in herds and cannot be herded or rounded up like sheep or cattle," said Mr Green in the statement.

"They are extremely timid and fearful of being trapped, caught or handled. The steep, hilly character of the site and the dense thorn vegetation make it impossible to erect netting to try catch them. They cannot be approached closely enough to dart them.

“Considerable previous experience of catching wild roe deer has led to the conclusion that if attempts are made to catch or trap these deer they will suffer considerable stress and a very high risk of serious or fatal injury. Such an outcome would cause great suffering and would be in breach of Animal Welfare Legislation.”

However, Marianne Birkby, for Radiation Free Lakeland, is seeking signatures for the online petition at https://you.38degrees.org.uk/p/FreetheSellafieldDeer.

She claimed: “We understand the need for Sellafield to routinely cull animals on site in an effort to contain the spread of radiation.

"However, if as Sellafield says the deer have not entered the site and are not contaminated in any way then surely a more humane solution would be to permanently remove the new double fencing in the woodland area and instead reinforce the original fence another way.”

“As well as preventing the 'need' for a cull, this would be a goodwill gesture and would benefit the whole ecosystem of the woodland.”

 

 

 

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10:40am Thu 30 Jan 14

Sandra Tuer says...

Sellafield put this fence up, incompetently trapping these animals in. If, as they say, the deer have not been contaminated and cost is not a consideration they are perfectly capable of taking this fence down to let these animals out. Shooting is not the only option. Shame on you AGAIN Sellafield.
Sellafield put this fence up, incompetently trapping these animals in. If, as they say, the deer have not been contaminated and cost is not a consideration they are perfectly capable of taking this fence down to let these animals out. Shooting is not the only option. Shame on you AGAIN Sellafield. Sandra Tuer

11:08am Thu 30 Jan 14

marianneb says...

Sandra Tuer wrote:
Sellafield put this fence up, incompetently trapping these animals in. If, as they say, the deer have not been contaminated and cost is not a consideration they are perfectly capable of taking this fence down to let these animals out. Shooting is not the only option. Shame on you AGAIN Sellafield.
Spot on! At the same time as putting up additional security fences, Sellafield/Govnt is looking to increase the volume and radioactivity of nuclear waste it already is allowed to,dump into landfill. Just who,are these fences protecting because it certainly isn't the public who are being subjected to increasing radioactivity to Groundwaters etc. Take the fence down and free the deer.
[quote][p][bold]Sandra Tuer[/bold] wrote: Sellafield put this fence up, incompetently trapping these animals in. If, as they say, the deer have not been contaminated and cost is not a consideration they are perfectly capable of taking this fence down to let these animals out. Shooting is not the only option. Shame on you AGAIN Sellafield.[/p][/quote]Spot on! At the same time as putting up additional security fences, Sellafield/Govnt is looking to increase the volume and radioactivity of nuclear waste it already is allowed to,dump into landfill. Just who,are these fences protecting because it certainly isn't the public who are being subjected to increasing radioactivity to Groundwaters etc. Take the fence down and free the deer. marianneb

12:15pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Spotty Fish says...

You know what marianneb? If you didn't turn an article about trapped deer in to a rant about nuclear power, more people might be inclined to listen to you. You blithely say that Sellafield cull animals on a regular basis to avoid spread of radioactive contamination. Really? What animals? How many? How radioactive are they? Are they not just the regular pests and rodents that any business would want to rid itself of?
You know what marianneb? If you didn't turn an article about trapped deer in to a rant about nuclear power, more people might be inclined to listen to you. You blithely say that Sellafield cull animals on a regular basis to avoid spread of radioactive contamination. Really? What animals? How many? How radioactive are they? Are they not just the regular pests and rodents that any business would want to rid itself of? Spotty Fish

12:45pm Thu 30 Jan 14

magical trevor says...

It seems that the usual suspects appear to try and hijack an article about one thing, and turn it into an 'anti -nuclear' rant....of course I'm talking about marianneb who always manages to alienate herself from anyone who shows the slightest interest in stories that appear here.

Sellafield are in the business of nuclear fuel, not animal husbandry. Let them do what they need to do, whilst maintaining the security of the site.
It seems that the usual suspects appear to try and hijack an article about one thing, and turn it into an 'anti -nuclear' rant....of course I'm talking about marianneb who always manages to alienate herself from anyone who shows the slightest interest in stories that appear here. Sellafield are in the business of nuclear fuel, not animal husbandry. Let them do what they need to do, whilst maintaining the security of the site. magical trevor

12:45pm Thu 30 Jan 14

jazzactivist says...

This seems to be the cheapest and easiest option for Sellafield, without consideration for the needs of the animals or other people's opinions. Why kill the deer when it must be just as easy to temporarily take down a section of the fence and let them go? Unless there is something that Sellafield isn't making public about the risks within the double barrier, and letting the deer escape will be even more risky. Hmmm, seems like some investigative journalism is needed here.
This seems to be the cheapest and easiest option for Sellafield, without consideration for the needs of the animals or other people's opinions. Why kill the deer when it must be just as easy to temporarily take down a section of the fence and let them go? Unless there is something that Sellafield isn't making public about the risks within the double barrier, and letting the deer escape will be even more risky. Hmmm, seems like some investigative journalism is needed here. jazzactivist

12:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

magical trevor says...

Jazzactivist...I'm sure this is all about maintaining security of the site, especially in this day and age with groups intent on gaining access to government and sensitive sites to obtain radioactive material for their political aims and objectives.
Jazzactivist...I'm sure this is all about maintaining security of the site, especially in this day and age with groups intent on gaining access to government and sensitive sites to obtain radioactive material for their political aims and objectives. magical trevor

1:27pm Thu 30 Jan 14

marianneb says...

Lets have more rants against Sellafield...There are hundreds of animals held in freezers at Sellafield at any one time including bats hedgehogs etc. The more rants about Sellafield the better... The are far too few rants and Sellafield is getting away with murder, literally. This is no ordinary "management" cull of deer where selected poor specimens are targeted ...Sellafield plan a blanket cull as a result of their **** up and not only a blanket cull but one that is in the closed season when the deer will be carrying young. If this was any other industrial site in the UK the plight of the deer would be blasted accross the Daily Mail.

Sellafield employ wildlife officers on site to "reduce" numbers which are then held in freezers awaiting dumping as radioactive waste.
NDA FOI Response to Radiation Free Lakeland – March 2010 (12226767 NDA Response)
Dear Marianne
Please see answers below to your questions.
Question 1
Are there records of the other bird species held -apart from lesser
black backed gulls, herring gulls and pigeons?
Yes, we do have other species although they are in smaller numbers
because of the ratio of birds attracted to the site. These are jackdaw,
crow, wagtail, rook, starling.
Question 2
Are there mammals held in the freezers?
Mammals which have died on the site and been held in the freezer are
bat, rat, mice, hedgehog.
Yours sincerely
Simon Tucker
NDA Information Manager
Lets have more rants against Sellafield...There are hundreds of animals held in freezers at Sellafield at any one time including bats hedgehogs etc. The more rants about Sellafield the better... The are far too few rants and Sellafield is getting away with murder, literally. This is no ordinary "management" cull of deer where selected poor specimens are targeted ...Sellafield plan a blanket cull as a result of their **** up and not only a blanket cull but one that is in the closed season when the deer will be carrying young. If this was any other industrial site in the UK the plight of the deer would be blasted accross the Daily Mail. Sellafield employ wildlife officers on site to "reduce" numbers which are then held in freezers awaiting dumping as radioactive waste. NDA FOI Response to Radiation Free Lakeland – March 2010 (12226767 NDA Response) Dear Marianne Please see answers below to your questions. Question 1 Are there records of the other bird species held -apart from lesser black backed gulls, herring gulls and pigeons? Yes, we do have other species although they are in smaller numbers because of the ratio of birds attracted to the site. These are jackdaw, crow, wagtail, rook, starling. Question 2 Are there mammals held in the freezers? Mammals which have died on the site and been held in the freezer are bat, rat, mice, hedgehog. Yours sincerely Simon Tucker NDA Information Manager marianneb

1:34pm Thu 30 Jan 14

marianneb says...

magical trevor wrote:
Jazzactivist...I'm sure this is all about maintaining security of the site, especially in this day and age with groups intent on gaining access to government and sensitive sites to obtain radioactive material for their political aims and objectives.
No need to go to Sellafield to get your radioactive materials, just go to Lillyhall landfill where Sellafield are looking to dump waste previously banned..no worries though as there will be a "planned release of radioactivity to Groundwaters"
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Jazzactivist...I'm sure this is all about maintaining security of the site, especially in this day and age with groups intent on gaining access to government and sensitive sites to obtain radioactive material for their political aims and objectives.[/p][/quote]No need to go to Sellafield to get your radioactive materials, just go to Lillyhall landfill where Sellafield are looking to dump waste previously banned..no worries though as there will be a "planned release of radioactivity to Groundwaters" marianneb

1:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

magical trevor says...

What exactly is your point marianneb? The FOI questions and answers for birds does NOT state that those birds were culled on site....and the mammals answer states that these are animals that have died on site....again it does NOT state that they were culled. You are blinkered by your hatred of nuclear energy. You offer no reasoned argument whatsoever.
What exactly is your point marianneb? The FOI questions and answers for birds does NOT state that those birds were culled on site....and the mammals answer states that these are animals that have died on site....again it does NOT state that they were culled. You are blinkered by your hatred of nuclear energy. You offer no reasoned argument whatsoever. magical trevor

1:51pm Thu 30 Jan 14

marianneb says...

Why the defence of the indefensible? ...this is from previous news reports,
SELLAFIELD has been told to make sure it has water-tight controls to prevent another contamination scare through wildlife being exposed to radiation.

In the meantime, Sellafield’s operators are considering whether to cull more seagulls.

Extensive and expensive measures have been taken on the site over the last few years to stop up areas of the site where birds and small animals could come into contact with contamination.

Hundreds of birds were also humanely trapped and culled when it came to light that many pigeons being fed in a garden at Seascale were carrying radioactivity.

All the contaminated carcasses were buried at the nearby Drigg radioactive low level waste repository.

Now the Environment Agency has told Sellafield’s independent health and safety watchdogs – the Sites Stakeholders Group – it wants to be absolutely certain that controls are in place to prevent any recurrence of what was a major problem.

Andy Mayall told the stakeholders group at its meeting in Whitehaven: “We want to see wildlife prevented from gaining access to contamination at Sellafield because of past issues associated with the transfer of contamination off-site, for example by feral pigeons.

“Recent site visits undertaken by us and the NII have indicated that there is a need for Sellafield to improve its site wide co-ordination of the local measures to control wildlife and to prevent access.”
Why the defence of the indefensible? ...this is from previous news reports, SELLAFIELD has been told to make sure it has water-tight controls to prevent another contamination scare through wildlife being exposed to radiation. In the meantime, Sellafield’s operators are considering whether to cull more seagulls. Extensive and expensive measures have been taken on the site over the last few years to stop up areas of the site where birds and small animals could come into contact with contamination. Hundreds of birds were also humanely trapped and culled when it came to light that many pigeons being fed in a garden at Seascale were carrying radioactivity. All the contaminated carcasses were buried at the nearby Drigg radioactive low level waste repository. Now the Environment Agency has told Sellafield’s independent health and safety watchdogs – the Sites Stakeholders Group – it wants to be absolutely certain that controls are in place to prevent any recurrence of what was a major problem. Andy Mayall told the stakeholders group at its meeting in Whitehaven: “We want to see wildlife prevented from gaining access to contamination at Sellafield because of past issues associated with the transfer of contamination off-site, for example by feral pigeons. “Recent site visits undertaken by us and the NII have indicated that there is a need for Sellafield to improve its site wide co-ordination of the local measures to control wildlife and to prevent access.” marianneb

2:10pm Thu 30 Jan 14

magical trevor says...

Marianneb:

SELLAFIELD has been told to make sure it has water-tight controls to prevent another contamination scare through wildlife being exposed to radiation. This is good news surely?

Extensive and expensive measures have been taken on the site over the last few years to stop up areas of the site where birds and small animals could come into contact with contamination. This is good news too....surely?

Hundreds of birds were also humanely trapped and culled when it came to light that many pigeons being fed in a garden at Seascale were carrying radioactivity. Again....good news?

All the contaminated carcasses were buried at the nearby Drigg radioactive low level waste repository. Oh.....what? More good news?

Now the Environment Agency has told Sellafield’s independent health and safety watchdogs – the Sites Stakeholders Group – it wants to be absolutely certain that controls are in place to prevent any recurrence of what was a major problem. Wow......it gets better...more good news?

Andy Mayall told the stakeholders group at its meeting in Whitehaven: “We want to see wildlife prevented from gaining access to contamination at Sellafield because of past issues associated with the transfer of contamination off-site, for example by feral pigeons. Whaaaaaat? More good news. This gets better and better.

Recent site visits undertaken by us and the NII have indicated that there is a need for Sellafield to improve its site wide co-ordination of the local measures to control wildlife and to prevent access. And more good news.....what a treat!!!?

Thank you for this good news story Marianneb. It would appear that Sellefield are addressing all of your concerns.
Marianneb: SELLAFIELD has been told to make sure it has water-tight controls to prevent another contamination scare through wildlife being exposed to radiation. This is good news surely? Extensive and expensive measures have been taken on the site over the last few years to stop up areas of the site where birds and small animals could come into contact with contamination. This is good news too....surely? Hundreds of birds were also humanely trapped and culled when it came to light that many pigeons being fed in a garden at Seascale were carrying radioactivity. Again....good news? All the contaminated carcasses were buried at the nearby Drigg radioactive low level waste repository. Oh.....what? More good news? Now the Environment Agency has told Sellafield’s independent health and safety watchdogs – the Sites Stakeholders Group – it wants to be absolutely certain that controls are in place to prevent any recurrence of what was a major problem. Wow......it gets better...more good news? Andy Mayall told the stakeholders group at its meeting in Whitehaven: “We want to see wildlife prevented from gaining access to contamination at Sellafield because of past issues associated with the transfer of contamination off-site, for example by feral pigeons. Whaaaaaat? More good news. This gets better and better. Recent site visits undertaken by us and the NII have indicated that there is a need for Sellafield to improve its site wide co-ordination of the local measures to control wildlife and to prevent access. And more good news.....what a treat!!!? Thank you for this good news story Marianneb. It would appear that Sellefield are addressing all of your concerns. magical trevor

4:10pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Spotty Fish says...

Are these levels of radiation found in these hundreds of culled animals abnormal? Are they so high as to be a danger? Are they higher than atmospheric or ground levels?
Marianneb, what is this **** up that has been made by Sellafield. How is magical trevor defending the indefensible? Your arguments are all angry quotes and statistics plucked from God knows where. A slightly more measured, reasoned approach might appeal better to the good people of South Lakeland. We don't respond well to being ranted at.
Are these levels of radiation found in these hundreds of culled animals abnormal? Are they so high as to be a danger? Are they higher than atmospheric or ground levels? Marianneb, what is this **** up that has been made by Sellafield. How is magical trevor defending the indefensible? Your arguments are all angry quotes and statistics plucked from God knows where. A slightly more measured, reasoned approach might appeal better to the good people of South Lakeland. We don't respond well to being ranted at. Spotty Fish

4:16pm Thu 30 Jan 14

marianneb says...

magical trevor wrote:
Marianneb:

SELLAFIELD has been told to make sure it has water-tight controls to prevent another contamination scare through wildlife being exposed to radiation. This is good news surely?

Extensive and expensive measures have been taken on the site over the last few years to stop up areas of the site where birds and small animals could come into contact with contamination. This is good news too....surely?

Hundreds of birds were also humanely trapped and culled when it came to light that many pigeons being fed in a garden at Seascale were carrying radioactivity. Again....good news?

All the contaminated carcasses were buried at the nearby Drigg radioactive low level waste repository. Oh.....what? More good news?

Now the Environment Agency has told Sellafield’s independent health and safety watchdogs – the Sites Stakeholders Group – it wants to be absolutely certain that controls are in place to prevent any recurrence of what was a major problem. Wow......it gets better...more good news?

Andy Mayall told the stakeholders group at its meeting in Whitehaven: “We want to see wildlife prevented from gaining access to contamination at Sellafield because of past issues associated with the transfer of contamination off-site, for example by feral pigeons. Whaaaaaat? More good news. This gets better and better.

Recent site visits undertaken by us and the NII have indicated that there is a need for Sellafield to improve its site wide co-ordination of the local measures to control wildlife and to prevent access. And more good news.....what a treat!!!?

Thank you for this good news story Marianneb. It would appear that Sellefield are addressing all of your concerns.
Not sure whether above post is sarcastic or genuine...if genuine, how extended would Magical Trevor like the fences to be? Because with proposed new build and geological dumps they would get a whole lot bigger with a whole lot more culling.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Marianneb: SELLAFIELD has been told to make sure it has water-tight controls to prevent another contamination scare through wildlife being exposed to radiation. This is good news surely? Extensive and expensive measures have been taken on the site over the last few years to stop up areas of the site where birds and small animals could come into contact with contamination. This is good news too....surely? Hundreds of birds were also humanely trapped and culled when it came to light that many pigeons being fed in a garden at Seascale were carrying radioactivity. Again....good news? All the contaminated carcasses were buried at the nearby Drigg radioactive low level waste repository. Oh.....what? More good news? Now the Environment Agency has told Sellafield’s independent health and safety watchdogs – the Sites Stakeholders Group – it wants to be absolutely certain that controls are in place to prevent any recurrence of what was a major problem. Wow......it gets better...more good news? Andy Mayall told the stakeholders group at its meeting in Whitehaven: “We want to see wildlife prevented from gaining access to contamination at Sellafield because of past issues associated with the transfer of contamination off-site, for example by feral pigeons. Whaaaaaat? More good news. This gets better and better. Recent site visits undertaken by us and the NII have indicated that there is a need for Sellafield to improve its site wide co-ordination of the local measures to control wildlife and to prevent access. And more good news.....what a treat!!!? Thank you for this good news story Marianneb. It would appear that Sellefield are addressing all of your concerns.[/p][/quote]Not sure whether above post is sarcastic or genuine...if genuine, how extended would Magical Trevor like the fences to be? Because with proposed new build and geological dumps they would get a whole lot bigger with a whole lot more culling. marianneb

5:37pm Thu 30 Jan 14

jazzactivist says...

Not sure why you think that the security of the Sellafield site is more important than the lives of wild animals, Magical Trevor? I don't think it wouldn't make much difference if Sellafield opened part of the fence for a few days, and maybe even placed a real live guard on it if they really have to, to allow the animals a safe exit. If the area is wide enough and long enough for the deer to live there happily then why are they seen as a problem at all? I think the 'urgency' of this sounds a bit whiffy...
Not sure why you think that the security of the Sellafield site is more important than the lives of wild animals, Magical Trevor? I don't think it wouldn't make much difference if Sellafield opened part of the fence for a few days, and maybe even placed a real live guard on it if they really have to, to allow the animals a safe exit. If the area is wide enough and long enough for the deer to live there happily then why are they seen as a problem at all? I think the 'urgency' of this sounds a bit whiffy... jazzactivist

6:04pm Thu 30 Jan 14

marianneb says...

That part of the new fence could be opened permanently and other reinforcements made to the original fence rather than having a double fence all round. Yes the urgency of this sounds whiffy...maybe to kill the pregnant females before they have their young .

just a thought, one deer killed a day over 15 days lends itself to experiment now that the Redfern Inquiry has stopped Sellafield experimenting on larger mammals such as humans.
That part of the new fence could be opened permanently and other reinforcements made to the original fence rather than having a double fence all round. Yes the urgency of this sounds whiffy...maybe to kill the pregnant females before they have their young . just a thought, one deer killed a day over 15 days lends itself to experiment now that the Redfern Inquiry has stopped Sellafield experimenting on larger mammals such as humans. marianneb

8:28pm Thu 30 Jan 14

twitchy says...

Only the insane, the woefully ignorant, a Sellafield employee or a 'groomed' local councillor would support the actions of those in charge of the 'most hazardous site in Europe'. Any other company given the track record of Sellafield would have been closed down years ago. The nuclear money pit rolls on spreading contamination far and wide to sea, air, ground and landfill. The deer are the latest innocent casualties of yet another 'accident' and the Sellafield policy of kill not catch.
Only the insane, the woefully ignorant, a Sellafield employee or a 'groomed' local councillor would support the actions of those in charge of the 'most hazardous site in Europe'. Any other company given the track record of Sellafield would have been closed down years ago. The nuclear money pit rolls on spreading contamination far and wide to sea, air, ground and landfill. The deer are the latest innocent casualties of yet another 'accident' and the Sellafield policy of kill not catch. twitchy

9:10am Fri 31 Jan 14

Spotty Fish says...

Well, having just seen the headline about high radiation levels detected at Sellafield, maybe we should all listen to marianneb!!!
Well, having just seen the headline about high radiation levels detected at Sellafield, maybe we should all listen to marianneb!!! Spotty Fish

1:38pm Fri 31 Jan 14

TwoHat says...

Obviously a connection Spotty - it is likely a radioactive dear has triggered the alarm. Should have "murdered" them sooner.
Obviously a connection Spotty - it is likely a radioactive dear has triggered the alarm. Should have "murdered" them sooner. TwoHat

1:42pm Fri 31 Jan 14

magical trevor says...

It wasn't high radiation levels. It was radiation levels slightly higher than naturally occurring levels. Read the news reports before jumping on the Marrianneb bandwagon.....it's wheels are falling off.
It wasn't high radiation levels. It was radiation levels slightly higher than naturally occurring levels. Read the news reports before jumping on the Marrianneb bandwagon.....it's wheels are falling off. magical trevor

3:07pm Fri 31 Jan 14

twitchy says...

Well my news report says 'High levels of radiation were detected' and what is described as slightly higher than 'naturally occuring levels of radiation' is Sellafield PR for what is yet another serious leak All part of the same old smokescreen.
Well my news report says 'High levels of radiation were detected' and what is described as slightly higher than 'naturally occuring levels of radiation' is Sellafield PR for what is yet another serious leak All part of the same old smokescreen. twitchy

4:51pm Fri 31 Jan 14

underterraingrunter says...

magical trevor wrote:
Jazzactivist...I'm sure this is all about maintaining security of the site, especially in this day and age with groups intent on gaining access to government and sensitive sites to obtain radioactive material for their political aims and objectives.
So is this stuff highly dangerous then? I get a bit confused with all the reassurances mixed in with high security requirements.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Jazzactivist...I'm sure this is all about maintaining security of the site, especially in this day and age with groups intent on gaining access to government and sensitive sites to obtain radioactive material for their political aims and objectives.[/p][/quote]So is this stuff highly dangerous then? I get a bit confused with all the reassurances mixed in with high security requirements. underterraingrunter

4:55pm Fri 31 Jan 14

underterraingrunter says...

Just a thought. Is the real problem the heat signature of the deer can cover for the heat signature of an errant human with bad intent?
Just a thought. Is the real problem the heat signature of the deer can cover for the heat signature of an errant human with bad intent? underterraingrunter

5:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

redhairedgranny says...

Magical Trevor and I have never agreed about anything but I'm with him on this one. I fully agree with everything he's written
Magical Trevor and I have never agreed about anything but I'm with him on this one. I fully agree with everything he's written redhairedgranny

5:10pm Fri 31 Jan 14

twitchy says...

underterraingrunter wrote:
Just a thought. Is the real problem the heat signature of the deer can cover for the heat signature of an errant human with bad intent?
I presume it would be easy enough to distinguish between two legs and four, in any case they could still release the deer rather than shoot them, but fair point.
[quote][p][bold]underterraingrunter[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. Is the real problem the heat signature of the deer can cover for the heat signature of an errant human with bad intent?[/p][/quote]I presume it would be easy enough to distinguish between two legs and four, in any case they could still release the deer rather than shoot them, but fair point. twitchy

1:27am Sat 1 Feb 14

lilliputlil says...

I feel a bit stupid here but if all these birds and animals that traverse this site are contaminated and the ones who haven't been killed travel miles, 10s 100s and even thousands as in seagulls and starling, do they leave the contamination at Sellafield or are they carrying it everywhere they go? Just wondered!
I feel a bit stupid here but if all these birds and animals that traverse this site are contaminated and the ones who haven't been killed travel miles, 10s 100s and even thousands as in seagulls and starling, do they leave the contamination at Sellafield or are they carrying it everywhere they go? Just wondered! lilliputlil

3:38pm Sat 1 Feb 14

twitchy says...

lilliputlil wrote:
I feel a bit stupid here but if all these birds and animals that traverse this site are contaminated and the ones who haven't been killed travel miles, 10s 100s and even thousands as in seagulls and starling, do they leave the contamination at Sellafield or are they carrying it everywhere they go? Just wondered!
Everywhere they go Lilliputil, but in the case of the deer Sellafield has stated that the deer have not entered the site and are not contaminated they are just trapped between two perimeter fences. The concern is that given the track record of the company running Sellafield which often resorts to lies, cover ups and smokescreens or just plain denial of the truth, is yet again hiding the real reason for the cull. You don't need a degree in Nuclear physics to leave a temporary gap in the fence and place food beyond the fence to encourage them to leave. To say shooting the deer is less stressful than any other method of removing them is ridiculous, they will most certainly panic and injure themselves.
[quote][p][bold]lilliputlil[/bold] wrote: I feel a bit stupid here but if all these birds and animals that traverse this site are contaminated and the ones who haven't been killed travel miles, 10s 100s and even thousands as in seagulls and starling, do they leave the contamination at Sellafield or are they carrying it everywhere they go? Just wondered![/p][/quote]Everywhere they go Lilliputil, but in the case of the deer Sellafield has stated that the deer have not entered the site and are not contaminated they are just trapped between two perimeter fences. The concern is that given the track record of the company running Sellafield which often resorts to lies, cover ups and smokescreens or just plain denial of the truth, is yet again hiding the real reason for the cull. You don't need a degree in Nuclear physics to leave a temporary gap in the fence and place food beyond the fence to encourage them to leave. To say shooting the deer is less stressful than any other method of removing them is ridiculous, they will most certainly panic and injure themselves. twitchy

9:50pm Sun 2 Feb 14

marianneb says...

Radon is burped from the earth, the earth around Sellafiield gives off rather more toxic than radon burps after years of reprocessing and leaks to the sandstone aquifer beneath. The deer and us have one thing in common....we rely on fresh water for life. Sellafield has admitted that radiatioactive releases to groundwater extend far beyond the fences below ground. ... suspect that this is the cause of the elevated "background radiation". http://mariannewilda
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Radon is burped from the earth, the earth around Sellafiield gives off rather more toxic than radon burps after years of reprocessing and leaks to the sandstone aquifer beneath. The deer and us have one thing in common....we rely on fresh water for life. Sellafield has admitted that radiatioactive releases to groundwater extend far beyond the fences below ground. ... suspect that this is the cause of the elevated "background radiation". http://mariannewilda rt.wordpress.com/201 4/02/02/exactly-why- did-that-detector-go -off-and-will-we-get -the-whole-story/ marianneb

11:08pm Tue 4 Feb 14

life cycle too says...

Unfortunately deer have a flaw in their character that makes it impossible to herd them, trap them or sedate them from their imprisonment.
The perimeter isd 11 miles long and if a gap were left, aside from the security risk, it could be months before the animals found the gap.
Herding them would engender alarm in the animals, which would trigger a panic which could see them injure themselves.
Just watch the behaviour of this deer that crashed through the windscreen of a bus - it throws itself blindly at seats, windows etc. and it is some time before it flees through the doors that were opened as soon as the bus driver realised it was trapped aboard.
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=uG_D5OmL
6M4
Deer experts have been consulted, and agreed that the animals would likely harm themselves, and recommended culling as the least distressful option.
Unfortunately deer have a flaw in their character that makes it impossible to herd them, trap them or sedate them from their imprisonment. The perimeter isd 11 miles long and if a gap were left, aside from the security risk, it could be months before the animals found the gap. Herding them would engender alarm in the animals, which would trigger a panic which could see them injure themselves. Just watch the behaviour of this deer that crashed through the windscreen of a bus - it throws itself blindly at seats, windows etc. and it is some time before it flees through the doors that were opened as soon as the bus driver realised it was trapped aboard. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=uG_D5OmL 6M4 Deer experts have been consulted, and agreed that the animals would likely harm themselves, and recommended culling as the least distressful option. life cycle too

10:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

marianneb says...

I have the same flaw
I have the same flaw marianneb

10:56pm Wed 5 Feb 14

marianneb says...

The plight of the deer is a premonition of apologist George Monbiot's version of rewilding!
Get rid of sheep and farming and leave the field and woodlands free for nuclear.
The plight of the deer is a premonition of apologist George Monbiot's version of rewilding! Get rid of sheep and farming and leave the field and woodlands free for nuclear. marianneb

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