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Traffic safety fears over Tesco plan at Grange-over-Sands

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LIVES could be put in danger and tourism could take a hit when Tesco moves into a South Lakeland town, claim residents.

Fears have been raised after the chain was given permission to open an Express store in Grange-over-Sands, which is expected to bring more traffic from outlying villages —with concerns of congestion and key roads blocked, making the town ‘less appealing’ to visitors.

“There are a lot of people concerned about traffic, especially because of where the ambulance station is,” said Peter Endsor, chair of the Chamber of Trade.

“People don’t always pay attention to double yellow lines.

“I think the worry is that if someone had a heart attack, for example, how would an ambulance get to them on time if it’s been blocked in?”

The Tesco store will be located on Kents Bank Road, close to the ambulance station.

Mr Endsor, who owns Birchleigh Guest House, also said he believed tourism could suffer.

“Guests won’t want to be woken up by delivery lorries or customers coming and going early in the morning or late at night,” he said.

“It’s as simple as that.”

Coun Tom Harvey, leader of Grange Town Council, agreed and said: “I think it could put people off coming here.

“It won’t be a place that’s attractive for people — why would they want to come somewhere that’s packed with cars so close to where they’re walking?

“It doesn’t matter if the cars are moving quickly or are reduced to a crawl. We want people to walk from A to B rather than drive, but why would they do either if Grange isn’t a pleasant place to visit?”

A Manchester-based firm, Kents Bank Assets, won permission from South Lakeland District Council earlier this year for the town’s former Royal British Legion building to be converted into retail space.

Tesco later admitted it was in line to move into the building.

Tesco spokesman Mark Thomas said: “Our Express stores are at the heart of local communities and operate successfully alongside a range of neighbours.

“Our stores can bring people to the high street, attract visitors and add to the vitality of the town.

“We’re conscious of the traffic implications of customers visiting the store and this formed part of the developer’s application to the local authority, which was duly scrutinised.”

He said delivery vehicles will be accommodated in a dedicated loading bay presently being designed.

“We will be a good neighbour in Grange-over-Sands,” he added.

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10:40am Thu 12 Jun 14

Kendal lad says...

Lives will be put at risk. A load of tosh.

The opening remark (from a resident above) that people ignore double yellow lines is more telling than anything else.

When I was taught to drive, double yellow line meant no parking. That is what needs enforcing instead of what happens now when people (usually of a certain generation) simply park where they like !

Tesco's is coming, get over it. As I have said MANY times before, if you don't like the store, don't use it. Simple.
Lives will be put at risk. A load of tosh. The opening remark (from a resident above) that people ignore double yellow lines is more telling than anything else. When I was taught to drive, double yellow line meant no parking. That is what needs enforcing instead of what happens now when people (usually of a certain generation) simply park where they like ! Tesco's is coming, get over it. As I have said MANY times before, if you don't like the store, don't use it. Simple. Kendal lad
  • Score: 21

12:06pm Thu 12 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

Why are the residents of Grange OS as backwards thinking as those of Ambleside when it comes to any type of new development? It beggars belief that every planning application is opposed by this bunch of NIMBYs. Too many heads buried in the sand.
Why are the residents of Grange OS as backwards thinking as those of Ambleside when it comes to any type of new development? It beggars belief that every planning application is opposed by this bunch of NIMBYs. Too many heads buried in the sand. magical trevor
  • Score: 14

2:15pm Thu 12 Jun 14

blade stall says...

Its Britain all over. 100 reasons why NOT to do something. Its the system at fault too much 'consulting'..... not enough doing. Hardly inspiring stuff is it!!
Its Britain all over. 100 reasons why NOT to do something. Its the system at fault too much 'consulting'..... not enough doing. Hardly inspiring stuff is it!! blade stall
  • Score: 7

3:08pm Thu 12 Jun 14

archiebored says...

the ambulance station is next door to the co op practically. so will we have to shut that as well?. the sooner some competition arrives the better!
the ambulance station is next door to the co op practically. so will we have to shut that as well?. the sooner some competition arrives the better! archiebored
  • Score: 17

11:43am Sun 15 Jun 14

1207 says...

I totally agree with all the above comments but why was there no public outcry about Tesco a Multi National chain with a well proven track record for destroying local business.
The outcry when Booths was mentioned was one of total panic even though they planned to proved car parking, fix the flooding, support local producers.
I find it hard to work out the thinking of the vocal minority were is the up roar from al the shopkeepers, the Civic Nibys. and the keep GOS special lobby?
I totally agree with all the above comments but why was there no public outcry about Tesco a Multi National chain with a well proven track record for destroying local business. The outcry when Booths was mentioned was one of total panic even though they planned to proved car parking, fix the flooding, support local producers. I find it hard to work out the thinking of the vocal minority were is the up roar from al the shopkeepers, the Civic Nibys. and the keep GOS special lobby? 1207
  • Score: 5

6:44pm Sun 15 Jun 14

ab oatman says...

The proposed Tesco development at Grange was welcomed by a huge outcry by many who told us they were not nimbys but were against Tesco on principal.
When it was announced that Tesco are looking at the former millets site in Kendal not one person registered a complaint here.

Not nimbyism?
The proposed Tesco development at Grange was welcomed by a huge outcry by many who told us they were not nimbys but were against Tesco on principal. When it was announced that Tesco are looking at the former millets site in Kendal not one person registered a complaint here. Not nimbyism? ab oatman
  • Score: 7

7:07pm Sun 15 Jun 14

1207 says...

So you welcome Tesco even though you are against them on Principal.
you've lost me on that one .
So you welcome Tesco even though you are against them on Principal. you've lost me on that one . 1207
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Sun 15 Jun 14

jazzactivist says...

If Tesco is such a "good neighbour" then why did it feel that it had to make its application in secret through a front company? The change in government policy that allows companies to do this meant that it wasn't possible to mount a proper protest against Tesco in Grange, as no one was allowed to know who the real applicant was. Objections could only be put forward on principle about the change of use of the former Legion building to a shop / cafe. Most people are happy that the building will be used, but unhappy that it will be used by Tesco - a multinational company that has a very bad reputation for aggressive tactics, damaging traditional high streets, poor treatment of its staff, underpaying its suppliers, and food controversies. There is nothing to like about Tesco, or other multinationals of its ilk, which is why the government introduced the secret planning application process - to head off protest.
If Tesco is such a "good neighbour" then why did it feel that it had to make its application in secret through a front company? The change in government policy that allows companies to do this meant that it wasn't possible to mount a proper protest against Tesco in Grange, as no one was allowed to know who the real applicant was. Objections could only be put forward on principle about the change of use of the former Legion building to a shop / cafe. Most people are happy that the building will be used, but unhappy that it will be used by Tesco - a multinational company that has a very bad reputation for aggressive tactics, damaging traditional high streets, poor treatment of its staff, underpaying its suppliers, and food controversies. There is nothing to like about Tesco, or other multinationals of its ilk, which is why the government introduced the secret planning application process - to head off protest. jazzactivist
  • Score: -19

9:11pm Sun 15 Jun 14

ab oatman says...

1207 wrote:
So you welcome Tesco even though you are against them on Principal.
you've lost me on that one .
Are you referring to my post? I Have no problem withTesco, I also think those who don't like it have a very simple choice - don't shop there.
The point I was making was that all those who are up in arms about the GOS development are quick to say they are not nimbys despite the fact that none of them have bothered to complain about the proposed Kendal store!
Jazz activist is ranting again yet she showed no such concerns about Kendal. But then Kendal isn't her back yard!
Still driving 2 minute journeys for your shopping in your old gas guzzler jazz?
[quote][p][bold]1207[/bold] wrote: So you welcome Tesco even though you are against them on Principal. you've lost me on that one .[/p][/quote]Are you referring to my post? I Have no problem withTesco, I also think those who don't like it have a very simple choice - don't shop there. The point I was making was that all those who are up in arms about the GOS development are quick to say they are not nimbys despite the fact that none of them have bothered to complain about the proposed Kendal store! Jazz activist is ranting again yet she showed no such concerns about Kendal. But then Kendal isn't her back yard! Still driving 2 minute journeys for your shopping in your old gas guzzler jazz? ab oatman
  • Score: 14

4:50pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Featherstonehough says...

Where would we be without the Chamber of Trade and Town Coincil protecting us from these new-fangled competitive shops which might actually attract some paying customers.

What utter self-serving tosh
Where would we be without the Chamber of Trade and Town Coincil protecting us from these new-fangled competitive shops which might actually attract some paying customers. What utter self-serving tosh Featherstonehough
  • Score: 6

9:30pm Tue 17 Jun 14

jazzactivist says...

Oh, ab oatman you are so predictable. Always so keen to see trashy multinationals setting up shop in areas that are already well-served with local shops. You must have shares in Tesco and Sainsburys! Not only is Tesco well-known throughout the country for bad practice, but even America rejected it! No-one sensible wants what Tesco represents, which is why it has to apply for planning permission in secret. Grange is an attractive town full of reasonably priced, independent shops to suit all pockets, and doesn't need a Tesco right in the middle of it. Driving, parking, and even walking in that street is very tight as it is, without another store taking up space.

What are all these moans labelling people as Nimbys who don't want low-rent secretive shops, yet you are all the first to moan when young people 'hang around' on street corners or affordable housing comes to your towns and villages. What is worse - a profit-hungry uncaring company, or local working people who need homes? I hope Tesco doesn't get to set up in Grange, or anywhere else in the Lakes vicinity, and the protest is ongoing. Why not just give more thoughtful shopping a try? See you all at the Cartmel Food Market on Friday to support our local producers, I hope.
Oh, ab oatman you are so predictable. Always so keen to see trashy multinationals setting up shop in areas that are already well-served with local shops. You must have shares in Tesco and Sainsburys! Not only is Tesco well-known throughout the country for bad practice, but even America rejected it! No-one sensible wants what Tesco represents, which is why it has to apply for planning permission in secret. Grange is an attractive town full of reasonably priced, independent shops to suit all pockets, and doesn't need a Tesco right in the middle of it. Driving, parking, and even walking in that street is very tight as it is, without another store taking up space. What are all these moans labelling people as Nimbys who don't want low-rent secretive shops, yet you are all the first to moan when young people 'hang around' on street corners or affordable housing comes to your towns and villages. What is worse - a profit-hungry uncaring company, or local working people who need homes? I hope Tesco doesn't get to set up in Grange, or anywhere else in the Lakes vicinity, and the protest is ongoing. Why not just give more thoughtful shopping a try? See you all at the Cartmel Food Market on Friday to support our local producers, I hope. jazzactivist
  • Score: -11

9:35pm Tue 17 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

Jeez jazzactivist........
...get your head out of the sand and out of your @@@@.....like all the other sad NIMBYs. Move with the times, let people choose where they want to shop and stop complaining about every little **** thing that threatens your little world.
Jeez jazzactivist........ ...get your head out of the sand and out of your @@@@.....like all the other sad NIMBYs. Move with the times, let people choose where they want to shop and stop complaining about every little **** thing that threatens your little world. magical trevor
  • Score: 7

10:12pm Tue 17 Jun 14

jazzactivist says...

Don't act so strange, Magical Trev. Your comments aren't exactly consistent with your views. You want to support disaffected young people, yet seem more than happy to have them stacking shelves for minimum wage and eating crap food! I'm no Nimby, as I couldn't give two hoots about how much my house is worth or what happens to it after I'm dead, and even welcome affordable housing literally on my doorstep, but I do want to be able to buy decent food from nice people who are part of the local economy and not see our high streets devastated by soulless multinationals.

My concerns are for the effect on the big world, not about about whether I can get 10p off a tin of baked beans this week. You should move with the times, and the times are saying that most people are sick to death of the power of the multinationals and their fake cheap offers and substandard produce, and just want decent items for reasonable prices from friendly shops. As for complaints that people can't afford to buy local produce or shop in local shops, if you didn't waste your money buying Range Rovers and second homes for supermarket CEOs then you would be able to do it too!
Don't act so strange, Magical Trev. Your comments aren't exactly consistent with your views. You want to support disaffected young people, yet seem more than happy to have them stacking shelves for minimum wage and eating crap food! I'm no Nimby, as I couldn't give two hoots about how much my house is worth or what happens to it after I'm dead, and even welcome affordable housing literally on my doorstep, but I do want to be able to buy decent food from nice people who are part of the local economy and not see our high streets devastated by soulless multinationals. My concerns are for the effect on the big world, not about about whether I can get 10p off a tin of baked beans this week. You should move with the times, and the times are saying that most people are sick to death of the power of the multinationals and their fake cheap offers and substandard produce, and just want decent items for reasonable prices from friendly shops. As for complaints that people can't afford to buy local produce or shop in local shops, if you didn't waste your money buying Range Rovers and second homes for supermarket CEOs then you would be able to do it too! jazzactivist
  • Score: -11

7:37am Wed 18 Jun 14

dancer58 says...

The biggest problem with this development will be the delivery lorrys ,take one look at bowness ,it's a continual problem and will be here .rules we're put in place for bowness and are flouted on a daily bases , the police do nothing to stop the illegal parking that goes with it . wait and see
The biggest problem with this development will be the delivery lorrys ,take one look at bowness ,it's a continual problem and will be here .rules we're put in place for bowness and are flouted on a daily bases , the police do nothing to stop the illegal parking that goes with it . wait and see dancer58
  • Score: -1

9:56am Wed 18 Jun 14

Kendal lad says...

Jazz,

It's quite clear from the posts on this thread that your views fall into the minority. You are perfectly entitled to have them and those of us that don't happen to have the same views should respect that.

It is also perfectly acceptable that you should try and sway those that have different views to you, towards your viewpoint.

But that also works the other way too, and it would appear that the majority want this development.

Keep your hair shirt, bicycle everywhere, don't go abroad, don't eat 'foreign' food if you must. Just remember that 90% of everything that gets bought and sold in this country comes from the rest of the world.

That is progress (whether you agree with it or not) and those of us that don't share your views and welcome this development, will hopefully see it shake Grange from the pot of aspic that it currently sits in.

Grange residents fought hard to not have Booths. And look at what you have now got !! Fools to yourselves.
Jazz, It's quite clear from the posts on this thread that your views fall into the minority. You are perfectly entitled to have them and those of us that don't happen to have the same views should respect that. It is also perfectly acceptable that you should try and sway those that have different views to you, towards your viewpoint. But that also works the other way too, and it would appear that the majority want this development. Keep your hair shirt, bicycle everywhere, don't go abroad, don't eat 'foreign' food if you must. Just remember that 90% of everything that gets bought and sold in this country comes from the rest of the world. That is progress (whether you agree with it or not) and those of us that don't share your views and welcome this development, will hopefully see it shake Grange from the pot of aspic that it currently sits in. Grange residents fought hard to not have Booths. And look at what you have now got !! Fools to yourselves. Kendal lad
  • Score: 6

11:51am Wed 18 Jun 14

Simius B says...

I Think you are all missing the point, Grange doesn't need another smallish convenience store. The Co-op & Spar do well enough with what they provide. What the Cartmel Peninsula needs is a larger supermarket in an area which will not compound the already problematic parking situation and provide a larger range of products.
I Think you are all missing the point, Grange doesn't need another smallish convenience store. The Co-op & Spar do well enough with what they provide. What the Cartmel Peninsula needs is a larger supermarket in an area which will not compound the already problematic parking situation and provide a larger range of products. Simius B
  • Score: 1

2:09pm Wed 18 Jun 14

jazzactivist says...

I may be in a minority on this WG forum, but I am not in the wider world. There is constant news in the press about the terrible attitudes and behaviours of greedy multinationals, so we should be proud to live in an area where there aren't many, or any in most of it. People here needs to make a living, so it is obvious that all of us who live, work and holiday here should support local services, shops and producers, and vice versa. Large supermarkets filter money away from local areas. There isn't anything that can be bought in them that isn't already available in our towns, and the prices aren't any cheaper either. What exactly do you all see as attractive about these big, 'cheap', soulless, retail developments?
I may be in a minority on this WG forum, but I am not in the wider world. There is constant news in the press about the terrible attitudes and behaviours of greedy multinationals, so we should be proud to live in an area where there aren't many, or any in most of it. People here needs to make a living, so it is obvious that all of us who live, work and holiday here should support local services, shops and producers, and vice versa. Large supermarkets filter money away from local areas. There isn't anything that can be bought in them that isn't already available in our towns, and the prices aren't any cheaper either. What exactly do you all see as attractive about these big, 'cheap', soulless, retail developments? jazzactivist
  • Score: -6

3:35pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Kendal lad says...

jazzactivist wrote:
I may be in a minority on this WG forum, but I am not in the wider world. There is constant news in the press about the terrible attitudes and behaviours of greedy multinationals, so we should be proud to live in an area where there aren't many, or any in most of it. People here needs to make a living, so it is obvious that all of us who live, work and holiday here should support local services, shops and producers, and vice versa. Large supermarkets filter money away from local areas. There isn't anything that can be bought in them that isn't already available in our towns, and the prices aren't any cheaper either. What exactly do you all see as attractive about these big, 'cheap', soulless, retail developments?
Jazz,

For goodness sake, get off your high horse. You are missing the point.

You take one view (big, cheap etc etc) and we take another (greater choice, additional goods, entry level work for young adults, loyalty bonuses etc etc).

It is clear that you will never go into this store. Great. It is also clear that other people will. Also Great.

No doubt you opposed Booths too. That was a mistake, as now you have a Tesco's whether you like it or not. So by opposing what should have been seen as a local supermarket that actually supports local farmers, now you have the big, bad multinational.

That is one heck of a shot in your own foot residents of Grange.
[quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: I may be in a minority on this WG forum, but I am not in the wider world. There is constant news in the press about the terrible attitudes and behaviours of greedy multinationals, so we should be proud to live in an area where there aren't many, or any in most of it. People here needs to make a living, so it is obvious that all of us who live, work and holiday here should support local services, shops and producers, and vice versa. Large supermarkets filter money away from local areas. There isn't anything that can be bought in them that isn't already available in our towns, and the prices aren't any cheaper either. What exactly do you all see as attractive about these big, 'cheap', soulless, retail developments?[/p][/quote]Jazz, For goodness sake, get off your high horse. You are missing the point. You take one view (big, cheap etc etc) and we take another (greater choice, additional goods, entry level work for young adults, loyalty bonuses etc etc). It is clear that you will never go into this store. Great. It is also clear that other people will. Also Great. No doubt you opposed Booths too. That was a mistake, as now you have a Tesco's whether you like it or not. So by opposing what should have been seen as a local supermarket that actually supports local farmers, now you have the big, bad multinational. That is one heck of a shot in your own foot residents of Grange. Kendal lad
  • Score: 4

1:09pm Thu 19 Jun 14

1207 says...

Booths can just sit back and let Tesco destroy the Co-op and Spar and then in a couple of years time GOS will be begging them to open a regionally owned store that sells foods sourced locally and offering a range of things a Tesco Local could never do, with ample safe parking eft ect.
If so much hot air had not been blown when the Booths store was first planned then maybe Tesco should have not seen a gap in the Market?
Aldi is looking at the old open air pool and Morrisons could put a bid in for the toilet block that is for sale buy the playground and before you know it Grange Town Council will be taken over by Home bargains.
Booths can just sit back and let Tesco destroy the Co-op and Spar and then in a couple of years time GOS will be begging them to open a regionally owned store that sells foods sourced locally and offering a range of things a Tesco Local could never do, with ample safe parking eft ect. If so much hot air had not been blown when the Booths store was first planned then maybe Tesco should have not seen a gap in the Market? Aldi is looking at the old open air pool and Morrisons could put a bid in for the toilet block that is for sale buy the playground and before you know it Grange Town Council will be taken over by Home bargains. 1207
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Tue 8 Jul 14

AGWILD says...

If the new Tesco store is not wanted by the residents of the town, the best way to get rid of it, is not to use it. If it doesn't pay, they wont stay!
If the new Tesco store is not wanted by the residents of the town, the best way to get rid of it, is not to use it. If it doesn't pay, they wont stay! AGWILD
  • Score: 1

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