Council Tax set to be frozen in South Lakeland for third year

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SOUTH Lakeland District Council is proposing a freeze on Council Tax for 2013/14.

The proposal was made to a meeting of the council’s Cabinet yesterday (Wednesday) and will be voted on at full council on Thursday, February 28.

Coun leader Peter Thornton, said: “We believe this is the right thing to do. Every pound we save our residents in council tax is a pound they can spend in the local economy.

"As a council with a long history of prudent financial management we can afford to make this proposal. I hope it is passed unanimously when it is voted on at full council.”

This will be the third year running that SLDC has frozen its share of the local tax.

Meanwhile, Cumbria County Council is due to set its Council Tax rate at a full authority meeting this morning.

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12:13pm Thu 14 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

I can't wait to spend my saved pound, I may use it at K village.

Its a good job people with prudent financial management are in charge, the last thing we would want is people who spend money they have never been given or waste it on stupid car parking / metering decisions...........
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I can't wait to spend my saved pound, I may use it at K village. Its a good job people with prudent financial management are in charge, the last thing we would want is people who spend money they have never been given or waste it on stupid car parking / metering decisions........... .................. nickjohn
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2:17pm Thu 14 Feb 13

magical trevor says...

You can't hail a good news story can you....you have to bring out the sarcastic comments. The report doesn't state that only a pound will be saved....pointless comments and a waste of time post.
You can't hail a good news story can you....you have to bring out the sarcastic comments. The report doesn't state that only a pound will be saved....pointless comments and a waste of time post. magical trevor
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2:41pm Thu 14 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

I am more than happy to hail a good news story please tell me when there is one.

What I will not do is praise comments which I do not believe to be true e.g. "prudent financial management" had they not wasted so much money perhaps we could have benefited not only from the price freeze but also gone without the need to have spending cuts........
I am more than happy to hail a good news story please tell me when there is one. What I will not do is praise comments which I do not believe to be true e.g. "prudent financial management" had they not wasted so much money perhaps we could have benefited not only from the price freeze but also gone without the need to have spending cuts........ nickjohn
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3:16pm Thu 14 Feb 13

magical trevor says...

Spending cuts are country wide, not just in Cumbria\South Lakeland....try turning your tv on every now and then and you might catch up with what's going outside your back garden. No one is asking you to praise the comments in the report....just the fact that for another year, SLDC are suggesting another freeze in council tax. Surely that's got to be good news.
Spending cuts are country wide, not just in Cumbria\South Lakeland....try turning your tv on every now and then and you might catch up with what's going outside your back garden. No one is asking you to praise the comments in the report....just the fact that for another year, SLDC are suggesting another freeze in council tax. Surely that's got to be good news. magical trevor
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3:57pm Thu 14 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

I agree spending cuts are country wide but the topic of the article is SLDC and their prudent financial management hence my directing comments towards SLDC and not country wide.

Whilst SLDC are freezing the council tax there is also government assistance for councils who do elect to freeze rates.

The problem with this is that for the years we have had no increase, and the council have benefited from the government assistance, they have still been spending the money so when the assistance drops we will then be faced with a large tax rise, or the council will be faced with making even further cuts.

Personally I would rather absorb a smaller increase each year than one large one but I may just be the minority.
I agree spending cuts are country wide but the topic of the article is SLDC and their prudent financial management hence my directing comments towards SLDC and not country wide. Whilst SLDC are freezing the council tax there is also government assistance for councils who do elect to freeze rates. The problem with this is that for the years we have had no increase, and the council have benefited from the government assistance, they have still been spending the money so when the assistance drops we will then be faced with a large tax rise, or the council will be faced with making even further cuts. Personally I would rather absorb a smaller increase each year than one large one but I may just be the minority. nickjohn
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4:27pm Thu 14 Feb 13

zaney5 says...

Yeah what happens in a couple of years when they finally do put up the council tax. I'll bet it won't just go up a little bit.

Maybe if the council stopped wasting money on pointless schemes our council tax might be a bit lower.

Personally, they're bloody lucky I actually pay mine.
Yeah what happens in a couple of years when they finally do put up the council tax. I'll bet it won't just go up a little bit. Maybe if the council stopped wasting money on pointless schemes our council tax might be a bit lower. Personally, they're bloody lucky I actually pay mine. zaney5
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4:28pm Thu 14 Feb 13

zaney5 says...

magical trevor wrote:
You can't hail a good news story can you....you have to bring out the sarcastic comments. The report doesn't state that only a pound will be saved....pointless comments and a waste of time post.
Says the master of sarcasm.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: You can't hail a good news story can you....you have to bring out the sarcastic comments. The report doesn't state that only a pound will be saved....pointless comments and a waste of time post.[/p][/quote]Says the master of sarcasm. zaney5
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10:07am Fri 15 Feb 13

Kendmoor says...

certainly good news, though I do wonder what happens in the future when it has to be put up, it probably won't be a small incremental jump..hmmm
certainly good news, though I do wonder what happens in the future when it has to be put up, it probably won't be a small incremental jump..hmmm Kendmoor
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6:22am Sat 16 Feb 13

Moonbase says...

After all the money that has been wasted, actually why does this shambolic crowd make a precedence and give a rebate!
After all the money that has been wasted, actually why does this shambolic crowd make a precedence and give a rebate! Moonbase
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5:42pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Whinfell says...

Great news!
We pay £158 per 10 month period a year.
Still too high!
A freeze this year will help though.
Like everything else those of us who actually get off our backsides and go to work full time have to pay the full amount.
Does anyone know what the benefit freeloaders are paying this year.
In some areas they are having to pay 20%!
Wow! a whole 20%.We have been paying 100% for the past 25 years.
What about the second home owners?
do they have to pay 100% this year.
I hope so.
If the freeloaders and second home owners chip in then maybe the hardpressed workers will see a reduction in council tax.
Still, its a nugget of good news for a change.
Great news! We pay £158 per 10 month period a year. Still too high! A freeze this year will help though. Like everything else those of us who actually get off our backsides and go to work full time have to pay the full amount. Does anyone know what the benefit freeloaders are paying this year. In some areas they are having to pay 20%! Wow! a whole 20%.We have been paying 100% for the past 25 years. What about the second home owners? do they have to pay 100% this year. I hope so. If the freeloaders and second home owners chip in then maybe the hardpressed workers will see a reduction in council tax[pigs might fly on the other hand]. Still, its a nugget of good news for a change. Whinfell
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6:19pm Sat 16 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

Lets be realistic Whinfell, if the "freeloaders" actually made a decent contribution and if the second home owners paid their full share we would still not get a reduction. The extra cash would be absorbed into SLDC's big black hole.

The council employees would get a pay rise to make up for their hard work in the recession and the council leaders would get a nice pay rise..

Lets see what happens next year when the government grants stop and the difference has to be made up from the council tax, I wonder how big the increase will be then and how easy it is for people to pay it in one go....
Lets be realistic Whinfell, if the "freeloaders" actually made a decent contribution and if the second home owners paid their full share we would still not get a reduction. The extra cash would be absorbed into SLDC's big black hole. The council employees would get a pay rise to make up for their hard work in the recession and the council leaders would get a nice pay rise.. Lets see what happens next year when the government grants stop and the difference has to be made up from the council tax, I wonder how big the increase will be then and how easy it is for people to pay it in one go.... nickjohn
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6:20pm Sat 16 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

Far from prudent financial management I class it as sticking your head in the sand....
Far from prudent financial management I class it as sticking your head in the sand.... nickjohn
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3:17pm Mon 18 Feb 13

bantambelle says...

nickjohn wrote:
Lets be realistic Whinfell, if the "freeloaders" actually made a decent contribution and if the second home owners paid their full share we would still not get a reduction. The extra cash would be absorbed into SLDC's big black hole. The council employees would get a pay rise to make up for their hard work in the recession and the council leaders would get a nice pay rise.. Lets see what happens next year when the government grants stop and the difference has to be made up from the council tax, I wonder how big the increase will be then and how easy it is for people to pay it in one go....
Not sure what the council employees would make of this comment. They haven't had a payrise for three years. There is a public sector pay freeze, remember?????
[quote][p][bold]nickjohn[/bold] wrote: Lets be realistic Whinfell, if the "freeloaders" actually made a decent contribution and if the second home owners paid their full share we would still not get a reduction. The extra cash would be absorbed into SLDC's big black hole. The council employees would get a pay rise to make up for their hard work in the recession and the council leaders would get a nice pay rise.. Lets see what happens next year when the government grants stop and the difference has to be made up from the council tax, I wonder how big the increase will be then and how easy it is for people to pay it in one go....[/p][/quote]Not sure what the council employees would make of this comment. They haven't had a payrise for three years. There is a public sector pay freeze, remember????? bantambelle
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4:28pm Mon 18 Feb 13

jazzactivist says...

I think it's disappointing that SLDC has made the populist decision to 'do nothing' with CT again this year. I would rather pay an extra £10 per month Council Tax and have free parking across the Lakes for permanent local residents. SLDC needs to think again about social priorities in the Lakes and use its revenue generating powers through CT to create a fairer 'playing field' for local residents.

In an area where salaries are low and property prices are still too high for the average SL income, SLDC can, and should, lobby central government to be able to add extra CT bands to the top of the valuation bandings, and should also make people who own a second home in the area pay the top rate of CT whatever size the property. Then we might see the situation ease up a bit for people who live here and help South Lakeland thrive. SLDC could do a lot more, but always seems to take the route of least effort. I would prefer a 'Can Do' type of Council.
I think it's disappointing that SLDC has made the populist decision to 'do nothing' with CT again this year. I would rather pay an extra £10 per month Council Tax and have free parking across the Lakes for permanent local residents. SLDC needs to think again about social priorities in the Lakes and use its revenue generating powers through CT to create a fairer 'playing field' for local residents. In an area where salaries are low and property prices are still too high for the average SL income, SLDC can, and should, lobby central government to be able to add extra CT bands to the top of the valuation bandings, and should also make people who own a second home in the area pay the top rate of CT whatever size the property. Then we might see the situation ease up a bit for people who live here and help South Lakeland thrive. SLDC could do a lot more, but always seems to take the route of least effort. I would prefer a 'Can Do' type of Council. jazzactivist
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6:30pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Whinfell says...

You must be the only person who wants to increase the Council Tax by £10.
There's always one!
We are paying too much already.A £10 deduction would be welcome.
A council tax freeze is better than nothing though.
You must be the only person who wants to increase the Council Tax by £10. There's always one! We are paying too much already.A £10 deduction would be welcome. A council tax freeze is better than nothing though. Whinfell
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8:31pm Mon 18 Feb 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

I would pay an extra £20 a month for better road cleaning better playgrounds and more money for regeneration. In fact why not just make me pay an extra month.
I would pay an extra £20 a month for better road cleaning better playgrounds and more money for regeneration. In fact why not just make me pay an extra month. PropMeUpWithTeabags
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1:20pm Tue 19 Feb 13

jazzactivist says...

I don't think the Council Tax here is too high, Whinfell. I've paid higher rates in other parts of the country. There is a problem in that there isn't much of a differential between the Bands, and the top band is relatively a lot lower in relation to the value of the property than the lowest. By increasing the upper bands and adding some more, plus taxing 2nd homes at the highest rate, CT would generate more income and be fairer to local working residents.

The main problem that we all seem to agree on though, which is why there are always calls for lower CT, is that it doesn't appear that SLDC prioritises public need when spending our CT. There isn't much visible evidence of the spend, and if we ask SLDC for anything like better road surfacing, more extensive gritting in winter, more dog poo bins, better signage, better waste services - all the things that local residents need to live our daily lives - we are told that there isn't the money because there's been a CT freeze!
I don't think the Council Tax here is too high, Whinfell. I've paid higher rates in other parts of the country. There is a problem in that there isn't much of a differential between the Bands, and the top band is relatively a lot lower in relation to the value of the property than the lowest. By increasing the upper bands and adding some more, plus taxing 2nd homes at the highest rate, CT would generate more income and be fairer to local working residents. The main problem that we all seem to agree on though, which is why there are always calls for lower CT, is that it doesn't appear that SLDC prioritises public need when spending our CT. There isn't much visible evidence of the spend, and if we ask SLDC for anything like better road surfacing, more extensive gritting in winter, more dog poo bins, better signage, better waste services - all the things that local residents need to live our daily lives - we are told that there isn't the money because there's been a CT freeze! jazzactivist
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1:45pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Whinfell says...

Does anyone know if there will be an actual rise in the overall council tax to take into account the Police Precept element which is rising by 1.95%?
Is this portion being covered by the government grant?
Does anyone know if there will be an actual rise in the overall council tax to take into account the Police Precept element which is rising by 1.95%? Is this portion being covered by the government grant? Whinfell
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6:05pm Tue 19 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

I think you will find that from april second home owners will lose the 10% discount (includes myself) but also empty properties will have to pay 100% CT this should add to the coffers but will not stop the SLDC wasting money on useless schemes
I think you will find that from april second home owners will lose the 10% discount (includes myself) but also empty properties will have to pay 100% CT this should add to the coffers but will not stop the SLDC wasting money on useless schemes hogheaven
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6:31pm Tue 19 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

Whinfell wrote:
Does anyone know if there will be an actual rise in the overall council tax to take into account the Police Precept element which is rising by 1.95%?
Is this portion being covered by the government grant?
My understanding is that the overall amount you pay each month will go up due to the Police element, the only portion being held is the SLDC bit, however, I may be wrong and would welcome feedback from anyone else who may know as this is something I did ask the council some time ago..
[quote][p][bold]Whinfell[/bold] wrote: Does anyone know if there will be an actual rise in the overall council tax to take into account the Police Precept element which is rising by 1.95%? Is this portion being covered by the government grant?[/p][/quote]My understanding is that the overall amount you pay each month will go up due to the Police element, the only portion being held is the SLDC bit, however, I may be wrong and would welcome feedback from anyone else who may know as this is something I did ask the council some time ago.. nickjohn
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6:43pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Whinfell says...

Great!
So everyone is tightening their belts but the Police want an extra 1.95%.
I remember old 'oyster eyes' Willie Whitelaw being commissioned with the job of reining in Police overtime pay.
Even then it had become a right rather than an extra amount to be paid now and again.
The Police saw it as a way to subsidise their 'meagre' wages.
Apparantly he came back a year later shaking his head in exasperation.
He reported to Maggie Thatcher that Police overtime was so ingrained in Police culture he would never be able to do anything about it!
Here we are decades on still topping up their pay through the public purse.
So maybe we aren't having a Council Tax freeze after all.
If anyone does know the true situation ,please post an answer.
Great! So everyone is tightening their belts but the Police want an extra 1.95%. I remember old 'oyster eyes' Willie Whitelaw being commissioned with the job of reining in Police overtime pay. Even then it had become a right rather than an extra amount to be paid now and again. The Police saw it as a way to subsidise their 'meagre'[huh!] wages. Apparantly he came back a year later shaking his head in exasperation. He reported to Maggie Thatcher that Police overtime was so ingrained in Police culture he would never be able to do anything about it! Here we are decades on still topping up their pay through the public purse. So maybe we aren't having a Council Tax freeze after all. If anyone does know the true situation ,please post an answer. Whinfell
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7:10pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Whinfell says...

Just looking at last year's figures the Police Precept was £200.79.
So an increase of 1.95% would be £3.90 a year or 39p a month for 10 months.
So not a figure to get your knickers in a twist about.
Even so why are the Police any different to the rest of us?Why can't they accept a freeze and save some money
Just looking at last year's figures the Police Precept was £200.79. So an increase of 1.95% would be £3.90 a year or 39p a month for 10 months. So not a figure to get your knickers in a twist about. Even so why are the Police any different to the rest of us?Why can't they accept a freeze and save some money[maybe claim a little less overtime?] Whinfell
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8:52pm Tue 19 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

I live in Kendal and the road we are on is a rat run to one of the large estates and we suffer a fair amount of vandalism, if I had to pay an extra £10 / month to the Police to get bobbies back on the beat and stop the vandalism I would give it readily.

What I do not agree with is handing over hard earned money so the council can waste it on parking meters, disabled parking measure which backfire and spending money they never receive for pavement improvements which seem no different to what was already there.

Neither do I agree with the contractors laying the new pavement sets selling the old ones off...... I was of the understanding that any old materials were to be stored for possible re use in town but this is not the case............
I live in Kendal and the road we are on is a rat run to one of the large estates and we suffer a fair amount of vandalism, if I had to pay an extra £10 / month to the Police to get bobbies back on the beat and stop the vandalism I would give it readily. What I do not agree with is handing over hard earned money so the council can waste it on parking meters, disabled parking measure which backfire and spending money they never receive for pavement improvements which seem no different to what was already there. Neither do I agree with the contractors laying the new pavement sets selling the old ones off...... I was of the understanding that any old materials were to be stored for possible re use in town but this is not the case............ nickjohn
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9:07pm Tue 19 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

Well what do you expect from the SLDC they are at least consistent
Well what do you expect from the SLDC they are at least consistent hogheaven
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