Revealed: Scale of debt owed by owners of Kendal's K Village

The Westmorland Gazette: Revealed: Scale of debt owed by owners of Kendal's K Village Revealed: Scale of debt owed by owners of Kendal's K Village

THE financially-stricken owners of Kendal’s K Village complex owe more than £68 million to creditors.

Administrators KPMG laid bare the full extent of Kendal Riverside Ltd’s debts this week in a report sent to companies due money from the firm.

The document reveals the company owes £55.3 million to the Bank of Ireland and a further £12.8 million to unsecured creditors, including £2.8 million to Miller Construction and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre.

Information is based on the company directors’ assessment of what is owed.

KPMG said rescuing the firm was unlikely and its efforts were now focused on valuing the company’s assets – the Lakes Outlet shopping centre, around 90 apartments and office space – with a view to putting them up for sale.

Joint administrator Stuart Irwin said there had been ‘a lot of interest’ in the site, mainly from agents acting for un-named businesses, but no serious discussions had been held.

He told the Gazette that a ‘concerted’ marketing drive to promote K Village would take place to boost interest in the vacant retail units.

“I’m very encouraged by the interest that we have had,” said Mr Irwin.

Related links

“What level of interest is going to be forthcoming and what price someone is going to pay I don’t know, so it’s difficult to determine what the bank and creditors will get back.”

He stressed that it was ‘business as usual’ for the centre, which was continuing to trade and collect rent from tenants.

He said he hoped to have the complex valued by an agent within two to three months – and only then would the administrators decide whether to put it on the market, either as a whole or in parts, or keep hold of it.

Mr Irwin also revealed that a ‘significant’ number of people had paid deposits for apartments at the site and he had not yet established why they had not been able to move in.

The document revealed that demand letters were sent to Kendal Riverside by the bank on December 21, just a week before administrators were appointed.

The bank debt is made up of a £34.2 million loan plus interest.

Other outstanding payments include £37,600 to Cumbria County Council for road improvements, £178,508 to South Lakeland District Council and an undisclosed HMRC tax bill. And more claims continue to be submitted.

Belfast-based property firm Valto Limited, named in the document as shareholders in Kendal Riverside, is listed as being owed £4.2 million.

Coun Ian Stewart, South Lakeland District Council’s portfolio holder for economy and enterprise, told the Gazette the figure due to be paid to the council had not been formally verified by KPMG.

The sum was mostly monies due to the council under the terms of a planning agreement to contribute to the Highgate regeneration scheme.

It totalled £100,000 owed at the time of administration and a further £60,000 due by 2015.

Coun Stewart said: “The planning agreement is a charge against the property and can be recovered from a future owner.

“A further £18,000 is due in council tax payments for the current year.”

The report states that Kendal Riverside’s three directors cite the economic climate, a fall in property prices and lack of bank funding as reasons for the company’s failure.

K Village is valued at £34.2m based on an estimate in 2011.

But this figure is believed to have dropped because of the centre’s tenancy status and the financial climate.

Built on the site of the former K Shoes factory, K Village was one of just two retail complexes to open in the UK in 2010.

Bosses had hoped to attract 1.5 million visitors and 4,000 coaches a year.

KPMG were appointed administrators on December 28, 2012.

Comments (43)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

9:27am Thu 21 Feb 13

Hugh Jaynus says...

Interesting Story. I look forward to the tidal wave of comments to follow.
Interesting Story. I look forward to the tidal wave of comments to follow. Hugh Jaynus
  • Score: 0

10:36am Thu 21 Feb 13

Kendaltrader says...

As a retailer in the town struggling to survive in this climate - I still pay my business rates every month and no-one from the council has offered to bankroll me for £100K!!! We put up with months of disruption to trade during the building of K Village when they closed roads for weeks at a time. We were told 'Oh it will all be alright because K Village is the saviour for Kendal and will increase your footfall significantly'. We were also told that the shuttle bus running from K Village into the town would provide loads of customers - the shuttle bus never happened because the council forgot to insert a timescale into the planning consent!!! I feel that their should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by.
As a retailer in the town struggling to survive in this climate - I still pay my business rates every month and no-one from the council has offered to bankroll me for £100K!!! We put up with months of disruption to trade during the building of K Village when they closed roads for weeks at a time. We were told 'Oh it will all be alright because K Village is the saviour for Kendal and will increase your footfall significantly'. We were also told that the shuttle bus running from K Village into the town would provide loads of customers - the shuttle bus never happened because the council forgot to insert a timescale into the planning consent!!! I feel that their should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by. Kendaltrader
  • Score: 0

11:22am Thu 21 Feb 13

Howist says...

Kendaltrader wrote:
As a retailer in the town struggling to survive in this climate - I still pay my business rates every month and no-one from the council has offered to bankroll me for £100K!!! We put up with months of disruption to trade during the building of K Village when they closed roads for weeks at a time. We were told 'Oh it will all be alright because K Village is the saviour for Kendal and will increase your footfall significantly'. We were also told that the shuttle bus running from K Village into the town would provide loads of customers - the shuttle bus never happened because the council forgot to insert a timescale into the planning consent!!! I feel that their should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by.
Typical trader, eh? Me,me,me.
'I feel that there should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by'.
Yes but what's that going to cost and who's going to pay for it? You?
No, of course not. US, ratepayers. We're ALL struggling.
[quote][p][bold]Kendaltrader[/bold] wrote: As a retailer in the town struggling to survive in this climate - I still pay my business rates every month and no-one from the council has offered to bankroll me for £100K!!! We put up with months of disruption to trade during the building of K Village when they closed roads for weeks at a time. We were told 'Oh it will all be alright because K Village is the saviour for Kendal and will increase your footfall significantly'. We were also told that the shuttle bus running from K Village into the town would provide loads of customers - the shuttle bus never happened because the council forgot to insert a timescale into the planning consent!!! I feel that their should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by.[/p][/quote]Typical trader, eh? Me,me,me. 'I feel that there should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by'. Yes but what's that going to cost and who's going to pay for it? You? No, of course not. US, ratepayers. We're ALL struggling. Howist
  • Score: 0

11:42am Thu 21 Feb 13

Kendaltrader says...

Actually its already cost the ratepayer quite a sum already. Just like the new car parking meters etc etc. I for one would like to see decision makers held to account or would you like to stand by and let them continue to make irresponsible decisions which cost the ratepayer over and over? I am also a ratepayer to the tune of £7,000 per year for my business.
Actually its already cost the ratepayer quite a sum already. Just like the new car parking meters etc etc. I for one would like to see decision makers held to account or would you like to stand by and let them continue to make irresponsible decisions which cost the ratepayer over and over? I am also a ratepayer to the tune of £7,000 per year for my business. Kendaltrader
  • Score: 0

11:44am Thu 21 Feb 13

WezzySux says...

Howist wrote:
Kendaltrader wrote: As a retailer in the town struggling to survive in this climate - I still pay my business rates every month and no-one from the council has offered to bankroll me for £100K!!! We put up with months of disruption to trade during the building of K Village when they closed roads for weeks at a time. We were told 'Oh it will all be alright because K Village is the saviour for Kendal and will increase your footfall significantly'. We were also told that the shuttle bus running from K Village into the town would provide loads of customers - the shuttle bus never happened because the council forgot to insert a timescale into the planning consent!!! I feel that their should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by.
Typical trader, eh? Me,me,me. 'I feel that there should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by'. Yes but what's that going to cost and who's going to pay for it? You? No, of course not. US, ratepayers. We're ALL struggling.
Personally, I think Kendaltrader has a good point. Lessons need to be learned and the people who made these ridiculous decisions should be held accountable. 4000 coaches a year is a ridiculous figure, anyone with a dot of common sense would tell you that was never going to happen.

It's now time to rectify this situation and those who played parts in the downfall of this project should have no further say.
[quote][p][bold]Howist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Kendaltrader[/bold] wrote: As a retailer in the town struggling to survive in this climate - I still pay my business rates every month and no-one from the council has offered to bankroll me for £100K!!! We put up with months of disruption to trade during the building of K Village when they closed roads for weeks at a time. We were told 'Oh it will all be alright because K Village is the saviour for Kendal and will increase your footfall significantly'. We were also told that the shuttle bus running from K Village into the town would provide loads of customers - the shuttle bus never happened because the council forgot to insert a timescale into the planning consent!!! I feel that their should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by.[/p][/quote]Typical trader, eh? Me,me,me. 'I feel that there should be an inquiry into K Village including Planning and Building Control and how decisions were made and who by'. Yes but what's that going to cost and who's going to pay for it? You? No, of course not. US, ratepayers. We're ALL struggling.[/p][/quote]Personally, I think Kendaltrader has a good point. Lessons need to be learned and the people who made these ridiculous decisions should be held accountable. 4000 coaches a year is a ridiculous figure, anyone with a dot of common sense would tell you that was never going to happen. It's now time to rectify this situation and those who played parts in the downfall of this project should have no further say. WezzySux
  • Score: 0

12:37pm Thu 21 Feb 13

jazzactivist says...

I also think Kendaltrader makes a very good point. There was never any need for K Village in the first place, and there have been upteen problems and U-turns in relation to it. The Council's money would have been better spent developing and promoting Kendal as an interesting town with independent shops, and creating a decent shoe museum.

I don't see why any public money should be used to bail out a failed business. The owners of K-Village knew what they were doing when they took the risk, and it didn't work out. So they should just cut their losses and move on to their next plan like any other business. But perhaps their plan all along was to set up a fake, useless retail park in order the get public money if it all went wrong and they are doing this is several places?

The existing building should be used to create affordable homes, and the Council will, hopefully, have learnt its lesson when dealing with big business. It's just not worth it.
I also think Kendaltrader makes a very good point. There was never any need for K Village in the first place, and there have been upteen problems and U-turns in relation to it. The Council's money would have been better spent developing and promoting Kendal as an interesting town with independent shops, and creating a decent shoe museum. I don't see why any public money should be used to bail out a failed business. The owners of K-Village knew what they were doing when they took the risk, and it didn't work out. So they should just cut their losses and move on to their next plan like any other business. But perhaps their plan all along was to set up a fake, useless retail park in order the get public money if it all went wrong and they are doing this is several places? The existing building should be used to create affordable homes, and the Council will, hopefully, have learnt its lesson when dealing with big business. It's just not worth it. jazzactivist
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Thu 21 Feb 13

carlsonsfish says...

feel so sorry for the employees. Its a sad time for Kendal to be honest. I expected it to fail but it would have been good for the town if it had somehow bucked the trend of shoppers turning to cheaper end retail shops.
feel so sorry for the employees. Its a sad time for Kendal to be honest. I expected it to fail but it would have been good for the town if it had somehow bucked the trend of shoppers turning to cheaper end retail shops. carlsonsfish
  • Score: 0

3:57pm Thu 21 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

Kendaltrader is spot on , people seem to forget its the small shopkeepers who provide SERVICE get no help from banks or council. when they need it They put up with all the crap and disruption when this white elephant was being built.The laugable traffic measures which seemed to change daily did not help.The council fell for the PR they were given and surprise surprise they lost OUR money again. The planning dept needs closing and restaffing with people who can do the job, the council needs to keep its nose out of any business its useless
Kendaltrader is spot on , people seem to forget its the small shopkeepers who provide SERVICE get no help from banks or council. when they need it They put up with all the crap and disruption when this white elephant was being built.The laugable traffic measures which seemed to change daily did not help.The council fell for the PR they were given and surprise surprise they lost OUR money again. The planning dept needs closing and restaffing with people who can do the job, the council needs to keep its nose out of any business its useless hogheaven
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Thu 21 Feb 13

dancer58 says...

Totally agree with Kendal trader , heads should roll for this total waste of everybodys money , they clearly canot do there job correctly.
Agree with above planning debt needs a dam good shake up, If they think they can gain anything out of it , its passed
Totally agree with Kendal trader , heads should roll for this total waste of everybodys money , they clearly canot do there job correctly. Agree with above planning debt needs a dam good shake up, If they think they can gain anything out of it , its passed dancer58
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Thu 21 Feb 13

kendalwasgreat says...

Kendaltrader is on the nail with their view and that is seen by most on here..if i was £18000 behind in council tax i would be in court ...but let us think how and why councillors are losing money.
1..they are failed business/tradesmen and unemployable and have taken an easy route to riches and pensions paid for by you the great British taxpayer..
2.. they are career politicians, that means they have never had a job and don't know how to make a business work.
sldc councillors think council tax is there to be spent as they think fit and they are not fit to go shopping..ask some of their wives and ex wives..
Kendaltrader is on the nail with their view and that is seen by most on here..if i was £18000 behind in council tax i would be in court ...but let us think how and why councillors are losing money. 1..they are failed business/tradesmen and unemployable and have taken an easy route to riches and pensions paid for by you the great British taxpayer.. 2.. they are career politicians, that means they have never had a job and don't know how to make a business work. sldc councillors think council tax is there to be spent as they think fit and they are not fit to go shopping..ask some of their wives and ex wives.. kendalwasgreat
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Thu 21 Feb 13

sklanc says...

dancer58 wrote:
Totally agree with Kendal trader , heads should roll for this total waste of everybodys money , they clearly canot do there job correctly.
Agree with above planning debt needs a dam good shake up, If they think they can gain anything out of it , its passed
cannot, their job and damned good. . .
[quote][p][bold]dancer58[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with Kendal trader , heads should roll for this total waste of everybodys money , they clearly canot do there job correctly. Agree with above planning debt needs a dam good shake up, If they think they can gain anything out of it , its passed[/p][/quote]cannot, their job and damned good. . . sklanc
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Thu 21 Feb 13

lakesailor says...

How could anyone, even doing a back-of-an-envelope calculation, think this scheme was ever going to wash it's face?
The fact that projections had been done and investors found to develop what an obviously bonkers idea leaves me staggered.
I feel sorry for those who have put down deposits for flats that will never be built.
How could anyone, even doing a back-of-an-envelope calculation, think this scheme was ever going to wash it's face? The fact that projections had been done and investors found to develop what an obviously bonkers idea leaves me staggered. I feel sorry for those who have put down deposits for flats that will never be built. lakesailor
  • Score: 0

6:00pm Thu 21 Feb 13

kendalwasgreat says...

and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..
and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right.. kendalwasgreat
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Thu 21 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

kendalwasgreat wrote:
and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..
You could well be right anythings possible but asking SLDC to investigate ,your having a laugh , are'nt you?
[quote][p][bold]kendalwasgreat[/bold] wrote: and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..[/p][/quote]You could well be right anythings possible but asking SLDC to investigate ,your having a laugh , are'nt you? hogheaven
  • Score: 0

7:33pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Hugh Jaynus says...

I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.
I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre. Hugh Jaynus
  • Score: 0

7:36pm Thu 21 Feb 13

dancer58 says...

sklanc wrote:
dancer58 wrote:
Totally agree with Kendal trader , heads should roll for this total waste of everybodys money , they clearly canot do there job correctly.
Agree with above planning debt needs a dam good shake up, If they think they can gain anything out of it , its passed
cannot, their job and damned good. . .
yes i cannot spell and my grammer is not great , but I have more common sense than all of the idiots sldc !
[quote][p][bold]sklanc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dancer58[/bold] wrote: Totally agree with Kendal trader , heads should roll for this total waste of everybodys money , they clearly canot do there job correctly. Agree with above planning debt needs a dam good shake up, If they think they can gain anything out of it , its passed[/p][/quote]cannot, their job and damned good. . .[/p][/quote]yes i cannot spell and my grammer is not great , but I have more common sense than all of the idiots sldc ! dancer58
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Thu 21 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

Hugh Jaynus wrote:
I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.
sounds good to me what time is kickoff/
[quote][p][bold]Hugh Jaynus[/bold] wrote: I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.[/p][/quote]sounds good to me what time is kickoff/ hogheaven
  • Score: 0

7:58pm Thu 21 Feb 13

dancer58 says...

hogheaven wrote:
Hugh Jaynus wrote:
I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.
sounds good to me what time is kickoff/
ill knock some up if you like ! free of charge ,at no cost to tax payers
[quote][p][bold]hogheaven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Jaynus[/bold] wrote: I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.[/p][/quote]sounds good to me what time is kickoff/[/p][/quote]ill knock some up if you like ! free of charge ,at no cost to tax payers dancer58
  • Score: 0

8:01pm Thu 21 Feb 13

kendalwasgreat says...

hogheaven wrote:
kendalwasgreat wrote:
and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..
You could well be right anythings possible but asking SLDC to investigate ,your having a laugh , are'nt you?
no, go and ask them or ask tim farron...i live abroad thankfully but still own commercial property in kendal so a bit stuck..but i will email tim farron..don't let any councillor feed you bulls**t press them press them time for action..what about a f/b page titled Kendal town councils wrong doings..
[quote][p][bold]hogheaven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kendalwasgreat[/bold] wrote: and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..[/p][/quote]You could well be right anythings possible but asking SLDC to investigate ,your having a laugh , are'nt you?[/p][/quote]no, go and ask them or ask tim farron...i live abroad thankfully but still own commercial property in kendal so a bit stuck..but i will email tim farron..don't let any councillor feed you bulls**t press them press them time for action..what about a f/b page titled Kendal town councils wrong doings.. kendalwasgreat
  • Score: 0

8:03pm Thu 21 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

dancer58 wrote:
hogheaven wrote:
Hugh Jaynus wrote:
I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.
sounds good to me what time is kickoff/
ill knock some up if you like ! free of charge ,at no cost to tax payers
Who shall we put in first ?should we have a poll on WG?
[quote][p][bold]dancer58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hogheaven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hugh Jaynus[/bold] wrote: I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks (or perhaps gallows!). Then the pencil pushing f***wits at the council responsible for all the gross mis spending of taxpayers money can be displayed in public and humiliated. This will also have the added benefit of creating an attraction that might at last bring some urgently needed footfall to the town centre.[/p][/quote]sounds good to me what time is kickoff/[/p][/quote]ill knock some up if you like ! free of charge ,at no cost to tax payers[/p][/quote]Who shall we put in first ?should we have a poll on WG? hogheaven
  • Score: 0

9:24am Fri 22 Feb 13

Kendaltrader says...

I really hope that councillors read these comments. Time for a bit of humility and discussion/consultat
ion about the way forward for Kendal. Whether they like it or not Kendal from a trading point of view is in recline - this effects everyone. Unemployment, loss of tourism (effecting retail, hotels, restaurants etc.) Reducing house prices or a stagnant housing market. Empty shops. The list goes on.
I really hope that councillors read these comments. Time for a bit of humility and discussion/consultat ion about the way forward for Kendal. Whether they like it or not Kendal from a trading point of view is in recline - this effects everyone. Unemployment, loss of tourism (effecting retail, hotels, restaurants etc.) Reducing house prices or a stagnant housing market. Empty shops. The list goes on. Kendaltrader
  • Score: 0

9:57am Fri 22 Feb 13

Geoff103 says...

"I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks "

The stocks are a much maligned and underused instrument of the justice system and should be reintroduced for all sorts of miscreants - not just useless SLDC Councillors and Council officers.

Shame, especially public shame, has always been a powerful deterrent to wrongdoing and a quick and effective means of punishment where fines, community orders and prison sentences are ineffective.

Look through any issue of the Gazette and there'd be a couple of cases every week where public humiliation for the offender would deliver more 'good' (in all senses for the miscreant, victim and the public at large) than any of the so-called punishments handed down by the courts.

And first up might be the principals behind the K Village fiasco from the developers since they'll no doubt be beyond the reach of any bankruptcy proceedings or the criminal law.
"I suggest SLDC invest in a set of stocks " The stocks are a much maligned and underused instrument of the justice system and should be reintroduced for all sorts of miscreants - not just useless SLDC Councillors and Council officers. Shame, especially public shame, has always been a powerful deterrent to wrongdoing and a quick and effective means of punishment where fines, community orders and prison sentences are ineffective. Look through any issue of the Gazette and there'd be a couple of cases every week where public humiliation for the offender would deliver more 'good' (in all senses for the miscreant, victim and the public at large) than any of the so-called punishments handed down by the courts. And first up might be the principals behind the K Village fiasco from the developers since they'll no doubt be beyond the reach of any bankruptcy proceedings or the criminal law. Geoff103
  • Score: 0

11:22am Fri 22 Feb 13

zaney5 says...

kendalwasgreat wrote:
hogheaven wrote:
kendalwasgreat wrote:
and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..
You could well be right anythings possible but asking SLDC to investigate ,your having a laugh , are'nt you?
no, go and ask them or ask tim farron...i live abroad thankfully but still own commercial property in kendal so a bit stuck..but i will email tim farron..don't let any councillor feed you bulls**t press them press them time for action..what about a f/b page titled Kendal town councils wrong doings..
Do you really think "Saint" Tim will do anything? I notice Peter Thornton is being very quiet on these pages as of late. Would be interesting to hear what he has to say.

As for stocks, I believe the Hole Int Wall in Bowness has some outside their premises! You could always ask for a loan!
[quote][p][bold]kendalwasgreat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hogheaven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kendalwasgreat[/bold] wrote: and £620,000 to people who have paid deposits for riverside apartments at the centre. i very much doubt this figure..not saying it's not true but let them prove it, something smells here i suspect all apartments have deposits on them so sldc can't claim any of them..wake up sldc and investigate...i could be wrong then again i could be right..[/p][/quote]You could well be right anythings possible but asking SLDC to investigate ,your having a laugh , are'nt you?[/p][/quote]no, go and ask them or ask tim farron...i live abroad thankfully but still own commercial property in kendal so a bit stuck..but i will email tim farron..don't let any councillor feed you bulls**t press them press them time for action..what about a f/b page titled Kendal town councils wrong doings..[/p][/quote]Do you really think "Saint" Tim will do anything? I notice Peter Thornton is being very quiet on these pages as of late. Would be interesting to hear what he has to say. As for stocks, I believe the Hole Int Wall in Bowness has some outside their premises! You could always ask for a loan! zaney5
  • Score: 0

11:38am Fri 22 Feb 13

MJ-kendal says...

I hate to say it, but the amounts owed to the council are chicken-feed both in terms of the total debts, and probably also in terms of the council's budget. Some bad debt is going to happen and you can't know which it is going to be. If you set out all pessimistic you'd not bother getting up in the morning. Sure, you might wonder what planet the builders are on investing many millions in such a project - how can it pay off? - but what's the downside? They go bust, but you are left with a building that is nice and new and someone else can pick up and run without bothering to pay off the debt. A win for Kendal. Now we just need to find someone to make the thing a success.

And when, not if, it is a success in the future in someone else's hands, it will be paying all those rates, and the businesses will pay the rates, and the employees of those businesses will pay their council tax. And they'll spend their money in the Kendal shops.

Okay, that's enough optimism, but let's put things in perspective, and look for the positive. And support whoever does take it on.
I hate to say it, but the amounts owed to the council are chicken-feed both in terms of the total debts, and probably also in terms of the council's budget. Some bad debt is going to happen and you can't know which it is going to be. If you set out all pessimistic you'd not bother getting up in the morning. Sure, you might wonder what planet the builders are on investing many millions in such a project - how can it pay off? - but what's the downside? They go bust, but you are left with a building that is nice and new and someone else can pick up and run without bothering to pay off the debt. A win for Kendal. Now we just need to find someone to make the thing a success. And when, not if, it is a success in the future in someone else's hands, it will be paying all those rates, and the businesses will pay the rates, and the employees of those businesses will pay their council tax. And they'll spend their money in the Kendal shops. Okay, that's enough optimism, but let's put things in perspective, and look for the positive. And support whoever does take it on. MJ-kendal
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Fri 22 Feb 13

life cycle too says...

In Birmingham, a school dinner lady was sacked for ACCIDENTALLY serving non halal meat in a multi faith school.

It is high time that we had a level playing field were employees who fail in their jobs are either ALL sacked, or ALL allowed to remain in post.... there is of course a huge difference between ELECTED councillors failing, and paid officers getting it wrong - you have the power to VOTE the councillors out next election IF you remember that long!
In Birmingham, a school dinner lady was sacked for ACCIDENTALLY serving non halal meat in a multi faith school. It is high time that we had a level playing field were employees who fail in their jobs are either ALL sacked, or ALL allowed to remain in post.... there is of course a huge difference between ELECTED councillors failing, and paid officers getting it wrong - you have the power to VOTE the councillors out next election IF you remember that long! life cycle too
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Fri 22 Feb 13

life cycle too says...

I see that KPMG are under fire in other quarters for failing to carry out their duties properly.

►Britain's four biggest accountancy firms have been heavily criticised by the Commons Competition Commission.

The regulator has accused PWC, Ernst & Young, Deloitte and KPMG of being too dominant and not always meeting a shareholder's needs.

The four accountancy firms act as auditors for 90% of the UK's stock-market listed big companies.

They have also been criticised in the past for not doing enough to warn of the financial crisis.

Critics say accountants failed to scrutinise the banks' balance sheets properly, missing the warning signals that led to government bailouts.◄

I was a creditor in 2004 when one of my customers went under, and KPMG failed to inform us of the failure, and failed to inform us of the creditors meeting.
I DID get to see how much KPMG charged for holding the meeting!! It would have covered my debt, and left enough over to have a grand nosh at a local hotel venue!
I see that KPMG are under fire in other quarters for failing to carry out their duties properly. ►Britain's four biggest accountancy firms have been heavily criticised by the Commons Competition Commission. The regulator has accused PWC, Ernst & Young, Deloitte and KPMG of being too dominant and not always meeting a shareholder's needs. The four accountancy firms act as auditors for 90% of the UK's stock-market listed big companies. They have also been criticised in the past for not doing enough to warn of the financial crisis. Critics say accountants failed to scrutinise the banks' balance sheets properly, missing the warning signals that led to government bailouts.◄ I was a creditor in 2004 when one of my customers went under, and KPMG failed to inform us of the failure, and failed to inform us of the creditors meeting. I DID get to see how much KPMG charged for holding the meeting!! It would have covered my debt, and left enough over to have a grand nosh at a local hotel venue! life cycle too
  • Score: 0

8:26pm Fri 22 Feb 13

onelocal says...

I'm sure the developer, Mr Shamus Jennings of Cusp is still smelling of roses despite the downfall of K Village. He was quoted "What we try to do is give a little back to the community rather than try to be some little **** who squeezes every last penny out of a development and then **** off." Pretty smart deal our local planning team went into.
I'm sure the developer, Mr Shamus Jennings of Cusp is still smelling of roses despite the downfall of K Village. He was quoted "What we try to do is give a little back to the community rather than try to be some little **** who squeezes every last penny out of a development and then **** off." Pretty smart deal our local planning team went into. onelocal
  • Score: 0

8:28pm Fri 22 Feb 13

onelocal says...

**** b*ll*cks
**** pi*ses off
**** b*ll*cks **** pi*ses off onelocal
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Fri 22 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

“The planning agreement is a charge against the property and can be recovered from a future owner."

I may be wrong on this but I always thought a charge on a property was only valid until such time as the property was sold and if there was spare funds available after settling preferential creditors e.g. mortgage, HMRC etc then you would get paid out.

I did not believe that the charge stayed on the property after it had been sold on.

As the receivers are looking at selling the property then I would expect that there are numerous charges against it and that SLDC's would be way down the list and have very little chance of ever getting paid..
“The planning agreement is a charge against the property and can be recovered from a future owner." I may be wrong on this but I always thought a charge on a property was only valid until such time as the property was sold and if there was spare funds available after settling preferential creditors e.g. mortgage, HMRC etc then you would get paid out. I did not believe that the charge stayed on the property after it had been sold on. As the receivers are looking at selling the property then I would expect that there are numerous charges against it and that SLDC's would be way down the list and have very little chance of ever getting paid.. nickjohn
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Fri 22 Feb 13

hogheaven says...

nickjohn wrote:
“The planning agreement is a charge against the property and can be recovered from a future owner."

I may be wrong on this but I always thought a charge on a property was only valid until such time as the property was sold and if there was spare funds available after settling preferential creditors e.g. mortgage, HMRC etc then you would get paid out.

I did not believe that the charge stayed on the property after it had been sold on.

As the receivers are looking at selling the property then I would expect that there are numerous charges against it and that SLDC's would be way down the list and have very little chance of ever getting paid..
I think that is exactly correct SLDC and taxpayers lose again
[quote][p][bold]nickjohn[/bold] wrote: “The planning agreement is a charge against the property and can be recovered from a future owner." I may be wrong on this but I always thought a charge on a property was only valid until such time as the property was sold and if there was spare funds available after settling preferential creditors e.g. mortgage, HMRC etc then you would get paid out. I did not believe that the charge stayed on the property after it had been sold on. As the receivers are looking at selling the property then I would expect that there are numerous charges against it and that SLDC's would be way down the list and have very little chance of ever getting paid..[/p][/quote]I think that is exactly correct SLDC and taxpayers lose again hogheaven
  • Score: 0

9:34pm Fri 22 Feb 13

Westmorlander says...

I suggest Peter Thornton is put in the stocks, he happily sit there preening his grey beard reflecting on such a wonderful job he's doing for all his subjects who pay his inflated salary!
I suggest Peter Thornton is put in the stocks, he happily sit there preening his grey beard reflecting on such a wonderful job he's doing for all his subjects who pay his inflated salary! Westmorlander
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Fri 22 Feb 13

oceancloud says...

See below from this website dated 4 th February 2010!

A HOST of big names in High Street retailing are lining up to occupy units in the £100m K Village redevelopment.

Kendal Riverside Ltd, the company behind the three-year project, confirmed 14 national companies had now signed up to open stores at the factory outlet while a further six were at the ‘final stages’ of exchanging contracts.

The announcement came as the full scale of K Village was becoming much clearer, with building activity intensifying to ensure the development would be ready for a new opening date, set for the end of June.

Kendal Riverside also revealed that the development would: *create 500 new jobs *include a heritage centre dedicated to the history of shoe-making in Kendal; *run a Kendal Klipper bus service to link it to the town centre; and *contribute £800,000 to local road improvements.

New names include Costa Coffee, stationery and art product specialists The Works, the outdoor clothing retailer Mountain Warehouse, the homeware and bedding company Bedeck, luggage supplier Bags etc and the specialist natural food and ingredients retailer Julian Graves.

The chocolate brand Cadbury, luxury shoe chain Staccato and cosmetic retailer All Wellan Good are also coming to K Village for the first time, while original names such as Clarks shoes, the National Trust Gift Shop, Double Two, Denby and Klass will be returning.

Redevelopment of K Village began in 2007 and was expected to be completed by last September. However, a combination of the recession and ‘unfriendly construction weather’ caused the deadline to slip twice - first to spring 2010 and finally June.

Kendal Riverside’s project director Philip Weir said: "There is no doubt that the journey towards completion has been long and not without many challenges.

“However, despite the difficulties . . . our determination to succeed and our commitment to Kendal has remained steadfast and we look forward to the centre opening in June.”

Mr Weir said the £100m cost had been completely funded by the private sector and was ‘a significant boost to the social and economic welfare of the region’.

“In spite of the current financial climate, we continue to have confidence in the K Village project and in Kendal. I hope that Kendal’s community can agree that the new K Village and all its attendant benefits will be a tremendous asset to the town and will make a large contribution to its future growth and prosperity”, added Mr Weir.

However, Paul Sharples, owner of Classic Bags in Kendal’s indoor market, believed the town centre would suffer.

He said: "We speak to other businesses around here and I listen to my customers and they'll tell you the same thing, our footfall is down and with the new K Village coming, I think it'll do us harm. But we can't do anything about it."

"It's (the K Village) a big out of town retail park with brand new shops, easy parking and no queueing so it can't be good for the town centre. They're going to be pretty tired walking to town after going through a big place like the K Village."

"They've got the advantage by having massive car parking facilities and we need to address how people are going to park here."

Work on vital road improvements to support the K Village complex will begin next week.

Work starts on Monday to install traffic signals, street lighting and resurface two roads to improve connections to the development.

The works are being undertaken under contract to Cumbria County Council – with Riverside meeting the £700,000 costs.

They will see the resurfacing of Lound Road from Aynam Road to the petrol station and resurfacing of a length ofParkside Road.

Traffic lights and a pedestrian crossing are to be installed at the junction of Lound Road and Parkside Road as well as street lights and traffic lights at K Village entrance.

Residents' views

I don’t think Kendal is as individual as it used to be. I hope K Village doesn’t detract from the town centre. Anna Ridding, 64.

It brought coach parties of people into town before so if handled in the correct way it could be a good thing. Lee Howard, 37.

I’m expecting it to be fantastic when it opens and I think it’ll bring people into Kendal town centre. Lyn Tomlinson, 58.

It might put pressure on some shops and it will take a bit of business away from the town centre Richard Grannell, 43.

I’m looking forward to it and everyone who comes to town will still come to the centre even with the K Village. Diane Murray, 40.

Hey ho!!
See below from this website dated 4 th February 2010! A HOST of big names in High Street retailing are lining up to occupy units in the £100m K Village redevelopment. Kendal Riverside Ltd, the company behind the three-year project, confirmed 14 national companies had now signed up to open stores at the factory outlet while a further six were at the ‘final stages’ of exchanging contracts. The announcement came as the full scale of K Village was becoming much clearer, with building activity intensifying to ensure the development would be ready for a new opening date, set for the end of June. Kendal Riverside also revealed that the development would: *create 500 new jobs *include a heritage centre dedicated to the history of shoe-making in Kendal; *run a Kendal Klipper bus service to link it to the town centre; and *contribute £800,000 to local road improvements. New names include Costa Coffee, stationery and art product specialists The Works, the outdoor clothing retailer Mountain Warehouse, the homeware and bedding company Bedeck, luggage supplier Bags etc and the specialist natural food and ingredients retailer Julian Graves. The chocolate brand Cadbury, luxury shoe chain Staccato and cosmetic retailer All Wellan Good are also coming to K Village for the first time, while original names such as Clarks shoes, the National Trust Gift Shop, Double Two, Denby and Klass will be returning. Redevelopment of K Village began in 2007 and was expected to be completed by last September. However, a combination of the recession and ‘unfriendly construction weather’ caused the deadline to slip twice - first to spring 2010 and finally June. Kendal Riverside’s project director Philip Weir said: "There is no doubt that the journey towards completion has been long and not without many challenges. “However, despite the difficulties . . . our determination to succeed and our commitment to Kendal has remained steadfast and we look forward to the centre opening in June.” Mr Weir said the £100m cost had been completely funded by the private sector and was ‘a significant boost to the social and economic welfare of the region’. “In spite of the current financial climate, we continue to have confidence in the K Village project and in Kendal. I hope that Kendal’s community can agree that the new K Village and all its attendant benefits will be a tremendous asset to the town and will make a large contribution to its future growth and prosperity”, added Mr Weir. However, Paul Sharples, owner of Classic Bags in Kendal’s indoor market, believed the town centre would suffer. He said: "We speak to other businesses around here and I listen to my customers and they'll tell you the same thing, our footfall is down and with the new K Village coming, I think it'll do us harm. But we can't do anything about it." "It's (the K Village) a big out of town retail park with brand new shops, easy parking and no queueing so it can't be good for the town centre. They're going to be pretty tired walking to town after going through a big place like the K Village." "They've got the advantage by having massive car parking facilities and we need to address how people are going to park here." Work on vital road improvements to support the K Village complex will begin next week. Work starts on Monday to install traffic signals, street lighting and resurface two roads to improve connections to the development. The works are being undertaken under contract to Cumbria County Council – with Riverside meeting the £700,000 costs. They will see the resurfacing of Lound Road from Aynam Road to the petrol station and resurfacing of a length ofParkside Road. Traffic lights and a pedestrian crossing are to be installed at the junction of Lound Road and Parkside Road as well as street lights and traffic lights at K Village entrance. Residents' views I don’t think Kendal is as individual as it used to be. I hope K Village doesn’t detract from the town centre. Anna Ridding, 64. It brought coach parties of people into town before so if handled in the correct way it could be a good thing. Lee Howard, 37. I’m expecting it to be fantastic when it opens and I think it’ll bring people into Kendal town centre. Lyn Tomlinson, 58. It might put pressure on some shops and it will take a bit of business away from the town centre Richard Grannell, 43. I’m looking forward to it and everyone who comes to town will still come to the centre even with the K Village. Diane Murray, 40. Hey ho!! oceancloud
  • Score: 0

8:46am Sat 23 Feb 13

blackpooldonkey says...

I get a bit confused about the restrictions that were put in place for the K-Village. Can someone bullet point them for me and explain the reasons behind them. ie- is it true they were made to charge for parking? Were they only allowed discounted outlet stores?
Apologies if it's all been said but I've lost track a bit.
I get a bit confused about the restrictions that were put in place for the K-Village. Can someone bullet point them for me and explain the reasons behind them. ie- is it true they were made to charge for parking? Were they only allowed discounted outlet stores? Apologies if it's all been said but I've lost track a bit. blackpooldonkey
  • Score: 0

8:48am Sat 23 Feb 13

Reverend Mark says...

An interesting update n this saga here

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-northern-ir
eland-21548303
An interesting update n this saga here http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-northern-ir eland-21548303 Reverend Mark
  • Score: 0

9:11am Sat 23 Feb 13

Pj1977 says...

The councillor hasn't got a clue - the council is an unsecured creditor so will get nothing. The only secured creditor mentioned in the administrators report is the Irish government's bad bank, Nama, which took over the original Bank of Ireland loan. So the big losers will be the Irish taxpayers who will be eating a £20m loss on this doomed-from-the-star
t project.

Meanwhile the Jennings main company has lost about £50m in the last three year. It's funded by our own bad bank, RBS/ Ulster Bank.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-northern-ir
eland-20889443
The councillor hasn't got a clue - the council is an unsecured creditor so will get nothing. The only secured creditor mentioned in the administrators report is the Irish government's bad bank, Nama, which took over the original Bank of Ireland loan. So the big losers will be the Irish taxpayers who will be eating a £20m loss on this doomed-from-the-star t project. Meanwhile the Jennings main company has lost about £50m in the last three year. It's funded by our own bad bank, RBS/ Ulster Bank. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-northern-ir eland-20889443 Pj1977
  • Score: 0

1:52pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Adam_Kendal says...

I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department.

Vote here: https://docs.google.
com/forms/d/1_65uwaC
ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI
PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie
wform
I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department. Vote here: https://docs.google. com/forms/d/1_65uwaC ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie wform Adam_Kendal
  • Score: 1

5:04pm Sat 23 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

blackpooldonkey wrote:
I get a bit confused about the restrictions that were put in place for the K-Village. Can someone bullet point them for me and explain the reasons behind them. ie- is it true they were made to charge for parking? Were they only allowed discounted outlet stores?
Apologies if it's all been said but I've lost track a bit.
I think that whatever was included within the original planning consent will go out the window now. The council will just be keen to work with whoever takes over it and let them do whatever they want..
[quote][p][bold]blackpooldonkey[/bold] wrote: I get a bit confused about the restrictions that were put in place for the K-Village. Can someone bullet point them for me and explain the reasons behind them. ie- is it true they were made to charge for parking? Were they only allowed discounted outlet stores? Apologies if it's all been said but I've lost track a bit.[/p][/quote]I think that whatever was included within the original planning consent will go out the window now. The council will just be keen to work with whoever takes over it and let them do whatever they want.. nickjohn
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Sat 23 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

Adam_Kendal wrote:
I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department.

Vote here: https://docs.google.

com/forms/d/1_65uwaC

ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI

PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie

wform
Link did not work for me....
[quote][p][bold]Adam_Kendal[/bold] wrote: I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department. Vote here: https://docs.google. com/forms/d/1_65uwaC ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie wform[/p][/quote]Link did not work for me.... nickjohn
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Sat 23 Feb 13

Geoff103 says...

nickjohn wrote:
Adam_Kendal wrote:
I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department.

Vote here: https://docs.google.


com/forms/d/1_65uwaC


ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI


PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie


wform
Link did not work for me....
Did for me
[quote][p][bold]nickjohn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adam_Kendal[/bold] wrote: I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department. Vote here: https://docs.google. com/forms/d/1_65uwaC ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie wform[/p][/quote]Link did not work for me....[/p][/quote]Did for me Geoff103
  • Score: 0

7:04pm Sun 24 Feb 13

Kendmoor says...

with URLs posted in these comments, anywhere that the URL goes over two lines, when you highlight and copy and paste and hit enter, internet browsers will insert a %20 where it breaks over two lines.
you need to remove each %20 in order for the URL to work.
in this case, after you try and visit the link and it says "page cannot be displayed" - in the address bar you will need to remove the %20 after the . the C the I and also after the e in 'viewform'
then hit enter again. annoying, but that seems to be the only way around it until they let us post links properly in the comments ;)
with URLs posted in these comments, anywhere that the URL goes over two lines, when you highlight and copy and paste and hit enter, internet browsers will insert a %20 where it breaks over two lines. you need to remove each %20 in order for the URL to work. in this case, after you try and visit the link and it says "page cannot be displayed" - in the address bar you will need to remove the %20 after the . the C the I and also after the e in 'viewform' then hit enter again. annoying, but that seems to be the only way around it until they let us post links properly in the comments ;) Kendmoor
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Adam_Kendal says...

nickjohn wrote:
Adam_Kendal wrote: I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department. Vote here: https://docs.google. com/forms/d/1_65uwaC ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie wform
Link did not work for me....
Apologies, it's the way the links work on the forum. As mentioned above, if you copy and paste it into your browser.

I will try creat a "shortlink" which will hopefully solve the problem
[quote][p][bold]nickjohn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adam_Kendal[/bold] wrote: I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department. Vote here: https://docs.google. com/forms/d/1_65uwaC ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie wform[/p][/quote]Link did not work for me....[/p][/quote]Apologies, it's the way the links work on the forum. As mentioned above, if you copy and paste it into your browser. I will try creat a "shortlink" which will hopefully solve the problem Adam_Kendal
  • Score: 0

6:42pm Tue 26 Feb 13

nickjohn says...

Hi, managed to get it to work and duly filled it in.
Hi, managed to get it to work and duly filled it in. nickjohn
  • Score: 0

7:07pm Tue 26 Feb 13

Adam_Kendal says...

Adam_Kendal wrote:
I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department.

Vote here: https://docs.google.

com/forms/d/1_65uwaC

ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI

PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie

wform
I have created a short link which should work better.

http://bit.ly/13Rc1q
F

Sorry for the trouble :-)
[quote][p][bold]Adam_Kendal[/bold] wrote: I've created a Poll to vote whether an investigations should be launched into SLDC's Planning Department. Vote here: https://docs.google. com/forms/d/1_65uwaC ZJd53tY75pDDqcAIGtSI PXhlvu5NRx4gyDU4/vie wform[/p][/quote]I have created a short link which should work better. http://bit.ly/13Rc1q F Sorry for the trouble :-) Adam_Kendal
  • Score: 0

Comments are closed on this article.

click2find

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree