The end of an era: Tears and emotion as 190 years of Casterton School comes to a close ahead of merger with Sedbergh

NEARLY 200 years of education for girls has come to an end with parents, pupils and staff bidding an emotional farewell to Casterton School.

The independent boarding school, near Kirkby Lonsdale, merged with Sedbergh School in March with the amalgamation kicking in from September.

On Saturday, British yachtswoman Dee Caffari was guest speaker at a special assembly, which formed part of the annual speech day and prize-giving ceremony.

There were tears as the occasion marked not only the end of term, but the end of an era – the last full day of the 190-year-old school whose first pupils included the Brontë sisters.

The girls were given paper cut-outs of the school’s badge, which were pinned to a tree at the front of the building, parent David Strawbridge said.

He was among those who attended the historic day and was full of praise for the school’s staff.

“There was a lot of emotion but the school dealt with it very well,” he said.

“They had various events, such as walking up Casterton fell, and various social activities and a barbecue.

“They made the girls last few days together quite fun. It was very nicely done with some of the staff talking about their experiences over the years. There was lots of tears from the girls.

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“They were saying ‘don’t be sad about leaving, just be glad you came’. Their maturity is a credit to the staff.”

Mr Strawbridge’s two daughters would have continued their education at Casterton in September, but he remains unhappy at the governors’ decision to merge, so has made alternative arrangements.

His 16-year-old daughter Sarah is joining Queen Margaret’s, an all-girl boarding school in York, while 14-year-old Emily is moving out to Zimbabwe to join him.

Mr Strawbridge is a diplomat in the African nation.

“We had plans in place for our children’s education but they have been ripped apart by this,” he continued.

“Sedbergh isn’t Casterton - it’s a different beast - the merger came as a bolt out of the blue.”

The merger, which has resulted in 49 job losses, was announced amid falling pupil numbers at Casterton and Sedbergh’s wish to expand its junior school.

Since 2011, the number of boarding pupils at Casterton has dropped 25 per cent, causing a 14 per cent fall in income.

Senior pupils at Casterton are transferring to Sedbergh and Sedbergh Junior School children are moving to a new preparatory school, which will be based at Casterton.

When the merger was announced, 160 girls were on the register, but it is unclear how many of these will make the switch to Sedbergh.

A group of parents launched an unsuccessful campaign to save the historic school, which was founded in 1823.

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4:21pm Wed 10 Jul 13

zaney5 says...

So sad.

But please.... stop insulting our intelligence by using the word "merger". Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it isn't.
So sad. But please.... stop insulting our intelligence by using the word "merger". Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it isn't. zaney5
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7:21pm Wed 10 Jul 13

interestedparent says...

There were actually 216 pupils on the Casterton roll when the takeover was announced and around 10% are making the move to Sedbergh. The majority of these are either prep school children, as they will just turn up to the same place in September, or those in the second year of either GCSE or A Levels.
Even then, Sedbergh has lost the majority of those from year 12, who have chosen in some cases to actually restart their 6th form again rather than be made to attend a school that they didn't choose.
Sedbergh senior staff have apparently privately acknowledged that they didn't handle this takeover well at all and that the knock-on bad publicity has hit them hard.
There were actually 216 pupils on the Casterton roll when the takeover was announced and around 10% are making the move to Sedbergh. The majority of these are either prep school children, as they will just turn up to the same place in September, or those in the second year of either GCSE or A Levels. Even then, Sedbergh has lost the majority of those from year 12, who have chosen in some cases to actually restart their 6th form again rather than be made to attend a school that they didn't choose. Sedbergh senior staff have apparently privately acknowledged that they didn't handle this takeover well at all and that the knock-on bad publicity has hit them hard. interestedparent
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8:56pm Wed 10 Jul 13

sibbetson says...

It was like attending a funeral. A celebration of the joyful life now ended. Now the grief. Can't bear to throw the uniform away. Living without it. Somebody called me in great distress to tell me about Sedbergh staff moving in en masse to tear the evidence of Casterton out of the building the next day, to take down the signs and the pictures, to finger the spoils and argue over the plunder. To desecrate the corpse. I will never forget you, Colin Tomlinson, never.
It was like attending a funeral. A celebration of the joyful life now ended. Now the grief. Can't bear to throw the uniform away. Living without it. Somebody called me in great distress to tell me about Sedbergh staff moving in en masse to tear the evidence of Casterton out of the building the next day, to take down the signs and the pictures, to finger the spoils and argue over the plunder. To desecrate the corpse. I will never forget you, Colin Tomlinson, never. sibbetson
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10:24pm Wed 10 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

The fact that Sedbergh did not having a closing day speaks volumes.Their speeches did not metnion the end of their school at all.
Casterton closed and as Mr Strawbridge says with some excellence and in style.
The fact that Sedbergh arrogantly beleived that girls would sign up on masse is a measure of their senior leadership. Only 21??? And these are girls half way through examinations.

The week long farewell at Casterton was impressive. Teachers and pupils worked together to show what a special place Casterton was.

And as Mr Strawbrdige emphasises no where wll be the same. Cumbria has lost its jewel and is replaced by something a venture. It cannot, the girls are now spread across the world. God bless, i hope all those who taught and were taught find happiness in their new ventures.
The fact that Sedbergh did not having a closing day speaks volumes.Their speeches did not metnion the end of their school at all. Casterton closed and as Mr Strawbridge says with some excellence and in style. The fact that Sedbergh arrogantly beleived that girls would sign up on masse is a measure of their senior leadership. Only 21??? And these are girls half way through examinations. The week long farewell at Casterton was impressive. Teachers and pupils worked together to show what a special place Casterton was. And as Mr Strawbrdige emphasises no where wll be the same. Cumbria has lost its jewel and is replaced by something a venture. It cannot, the girls are now spread across the world. God bless, i hope all those who taught and were taught find happiness in their new ventures. estateagentlookingforbusiness
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10:28pm Wed 10 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

Mr. Fleck proudly boasts to those who listen that in only a few years there will be only two private schools in the North. Sedbergh and Ampleforth.

If he can find such poorly advised surrender monkeys like Casterton governors and leaders he could probably extend Sedbergh across the country.
Mr. Fleck proudly boasts to those who listen that in only a few years there will be only two private schools in the North. Sedbergh and Ampleforth. If he can find such poorly advised surrender monkeys like Casterton governors and leaders he could probably extend Sedbergh across the country. estateagentlookingforbusiness
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10:39pm Wed 10 Jul 13

zaney5 says...

estateagentlookingfo
rbusiness
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Mr. Fleck proudly boasts to those who listen that in only a few years there will be only two private schools in the North. Sedbergh and Ampleforth.

If he can find such poorly advised surrender monkeys like Casterton governors and leaders he could probably extend Sedbergh across the country.
Does he really? I would think Windermere School might have something to say about that!
[quote][p][bold]estateagentlookingfo rbusiness[/bold] wrote: Mr. Fleck proudly boasts to those who listen that in only a few years there will be only two private schools in the North. Sedbergh and Ampleforth. If he can find such poorly advised surrender monkeys like Casterton governors and leaders he could probably extend Sedbergh across the country.[/p][/quote]Does he really? I would think Windermere School might have something to say about that! zaney5
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11:11pm Wed 10 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

Does anyone else remember the television programme TW3?( that was the week that was)
Casterton, one of the oldest girls' boarding and day schools in the country, with a fine record and reputation built up over 190 years, was taken over by the rugby playing Sedbergh School. This has left Cumbria devoid of any all girls' secondary school in the county.

The national press proclaimed that the 77 year wait for a British Wimbledon champion was now over; thus carefully brushing aside and forgetting Dorthy Round Little (1937) the partially deaf Angela Mortimer (1961) Ann Haydon Jones who beat Billie Jean King (1969) and of course airbrushing out Virginia Wade's success (1977)

The most senior diplomat in the Foreign Office and our Foreign Minister, William Hague, is seen mouthing (twice) 'stupid woman' in response to the Right Honorable Ms Cathy Jamieson's question put to the Prime Minister in today's PM's question time.

And by the end of the week, on her 16th birthday, the victim of the Taliban, Malala, travels to America, armed with a petition to ask the UN for every girl in the world to have the right to an education.

Certainly a shocking, sad and shameful week to remember in this country which has prided itself for so long in giving choice and equal opportunity. Choice and opportunity perhaps but where is the respect?

I do not consider Mr Hague to be a good role model for the next generation. Similarly, I believe the brutal takeover of Casterton School by Sedbergh school and the manner by which this takeover has been executed since Speech Day last Saturday has not done anything to enhance the reputation of Sedbergh school either.




Cor Unum via una.
Does anyone else remember the television programme TW3?( that was the week that was) Casterton, one of the oldest girls' boarding and day schools in the country, with a fine record and reputation built up over 190 years, was taken over by the rugby playing Sedbergh School. This has left Cumbria devoid of any all girls' secondary school in the county. The national press proclaimed that the 77 year wait for a British Wimbledon champion was now over; thus carefully brushing aside and forgetting Dorthy Round Little (1937) the partially deaf Angela Mortimer (1961) Ann Haydon Jones who beat Billie Jean King (1969) and of course airbrushing out Virginia Wade's success (1977) The most senior diplomat in the Foreign Office and our Foreign Minister, William Hague, is seen mouthing (twice) 'stupid woman' in response to the Right Honorable Ms Cathy Jamieson's question put to the Prime Minister in today's PM's question time. And by the end of the week, on her 16th birthday, the victim of the Taliban, Malala, travels to America, armed with a petition to ask the UN for every girl in the world to have the right to an education. Certainly a shocking, sad and shameful week to remember in this country which has prided itself for so long in giving choice and equal opportunity. Choice and opportunity perhaps but where is the respect? I do not consider Mr Hague to be a good role model for the next generation. Similarly, I believe the brutal takeover of Casterton School by Sedbergh school and the manner by which this takeover has been executed since Speech Day last Saturday has not done anything to enhance the reputation of Sedbergh school either. Cor Unum via una. in loco parentis
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9:12am Thu 11 Jul 13

frangipani says...

Reading Tomlinson's last year's Speech Day script, you would not have imagined the nightmare we are having now.
How ironic.....some of the notable paragraphs..:..
'Firstly, we have a wonderful heritage. Secondly, we have a national and international reputation for high standards and outstanding academic results, but thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, the primary contributory factor, apart from the pupils, is the role of the academic and non academic staff and parents.'

'The commitment, support and enthusiasm of the staff all of whom passionately believe in the school, is unquestionable. This brief is mirrored by the smiling faces of the pupils ( for the majority of the time!). On behalf of the governors, an enormous thanks to all the staff and your contribution towards the success of the school.'

.....This is how the Governors thank the staff /pupils and parents......lost of jobs/displacements, livelihood/friends/s
chool..!
Reading Tomlinson's last year's Speech Day script, you would not have imagined the nightmare we are having now. How ironic.....some of the notable paragraphs..:.. 'Firstly, we have a wonderful heritage. Secondly, we have a national and international reputation for high standards and outstanding academic results, but thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, the primary contributory factor, apart from the pupils, is the role of the academic and non academic staff and parents.' 'The commitment, support and enthusiasm of the staff all of whom passionately believe in the school, is unquestionable. This brief is mirrored by the smiling faces of the pupils ( for the majority of the time!). On behalf of the governors, an enormous thanks to all the staff and your contribution towards the success of the school.' .....This is how the Governors thank the staff /pupils and parents......lost of jobs/displacements, livelihood/friends/s chool..! frangipani
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9:28am Thu 11 Jul 13

lookingon says...

The final week was emotional and the staff made sure the girls were busy, focussed, entertained and they did not show tears or crticisms in front of the girls for losing their jobs!
The final week was emotional and the staff made sure the girls were busy, focussed, entertained and they did not show tears or crticisms in front of the girls for losing their jobs! lookingon
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9:35am Thu 11 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

zaney5 wrote:
estateagentlookingfo rbusiness wrote: Mr. Fleck proudly boasts to those who listen that in only a few years there will be only two private schools in the North. Sedbergh and Ampleforth. If he can find such poorly advised surrender monkeys like Casterton governors and leaders he could probably extend Sedbergh across the country.
Does he really? I would think Windermere School might have something to say about that!
Yes Windermere and Giggleswick should watch their backs. This whole exercise with winks and funny handshakes is only about killing off all competitors. In the speech to parents in Jun 2012 Fleck said Sedbergh would go from strength to strength unlike other nearby schools.
Sedbergh had no other intention than to kill off Casterton. When the announcement was made there was NO marketing strategy to get girls to sign up. When they realised girls were not signing up they sent Fleck to address them but he only upset them with his abrupt and arrogant manner. So they got Hugh Blair (their chair of governors) to write to all parents pleading for them to sign up. But he was so rude about certain people in the letter that some pupils who were going to sign up did not in the end. (one of only a few communications that was not sent to the press)

All competitors: watch your backs!!
[quote][p][bold]zaney5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]estateagentlookingfo rbusiness[/bold] wrote: Mr. Fleck proudly boasts to those who listen that in only a few years there will be only two private schools in the North. Sedbergh and Ampleforth. If he can find such poorly advised surrender monkeys like Casterton governors and leaders he could probably extend Sedbergh across the country.[/p][/quote]Does he really? I would think Windermere School might have something to say about that![/p][/quote]Yes Windermere and Giggleswick should watch their backs. This whole exercise with winks and funny handshakes is only about killing off all competitors. In the speech to parents in Jun 2012 Fleck said Sedbergh would go from strength to strength unlike other nearby schools. Sedbergh had no other intention than to kill off Casterton. When the announcement was made there was NO marketing strategy to get girls to sign up. When they realised girls were not signing up they sent Fleck to address them but he only upset them with his abrupt and arrogant manner. So they got Hugh Blair (their chair of governors) to write to all parents pleading for them to sign up. But he was so rude about certain people in the letter that some pupils who were going to sign up did not in the end. (one of only a few communications that was not sent to the press) All competitors: watch your backs!! estateagentlookingforbusiness
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9:50am Thu 11 Jul 13

frangipani says...

continues with Tomlinson's speech:

'Turning to parents, where do I start ? Firstly, the cheque book! Speaking from experience, with two girls at the School it is a massive financial commitment. The School always ranks highly in value for money league table, but the proof is in the end product, and apart from academic achievements, Casterton prides itself on the instilment of confidence and happiness in pupils, to prepare them in the next stage in life. The other commitment of parents is time. When attending various functions throughout the School, governors are immensely impressed by the support of families and friends, providing constant encouragement to pupils. It is a simple fact that without parents, families and friends, the School would not exist. Many thanks indeed to you all.'..............
continues with Tomlinson's speech: 'Turning to parents, where do I start ? Firstly, the cheque book! Speaking from experience, with two girls at the School it is a massive financial commitment. The School always ranks highly in value for money league table, but the proof is in the end product, and apart from academic achievements, Casterton prides itself on the instilment of confidence and happiness in pupils, to prepare them in the next stage in life. The other commitment of parents is time. When attending various functions throughout the School, governors are immensely impressed by the support of families and friends, providing constant encouragement to pupils. It is a simple fact that without parents, families and friends, the School would not exist. Many thanks indeed to you all.'.............. frangipani
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11:40am Thu 11 Jul 13

Soul agents says...

This is a rather sanitized and lazy piece of journalism relying on quotes from one individual. There is a real human interest story here what with pupils and staff scattered all over the country looking for new schools with very little time given to achieve it (no doubt engineered to entice as many to stay put - pupils that is, not staff). There is much intrigue too with more than a few allegations of behind the scenes property deals.

With both sites now on a summer break surely by now the information on how many Casterton pupils are remaining on site or moving to Sedbergh is available. In addition I am also interested to find out how many staff from Sedbergh are included in that figure of 49 redundancies. Given that the number of girls at the school quoted in the article is inaccurate, I suspect the number of redundancies to be inaccurate also.

There has been a document published on the Save Casterton site which lists the criteria required for employment at Sedbergh schools. I was very interested to note that nowhere on the form was the ability to teach or previous exam successes asked for. Sporting prowess was expected, however.I would therefore deduce that not many Sedbergh staff will be found at the Job Centre this Summer.

'Tears and emotions' at the 'end of an era' and quotes from one disgruntled parent is hardly going to win anyone any prizes for journalism.
This is a rather sanitized and lazy piece of journalism relying on quotes from one individual. There is a real human interest story here what with pupils and staff scattered all over the country looking for new schools with very little time given to achieve it (no doubt engineered to entice as many to stay put - pupils that is, not staff). There is much intrigue too with more than a few allegations of behind the scenes property deals. With both sites now on a summer break surely by now the information on how many Casterton pupils are remaining on site or moving to Sedbergh is available. In addition I am also interested to find out how many staff from Sedbergh are included in that figure of 49 redundancies. Given that the number of girls at the school quoted in the article is inaccurate, I suspect the number of redundancies to be inaccurate also. There has been a document published on the Save Casterton site which lists the criteria required for employment at Sedbergh schools. I was very interested to note that nowhere on the form was the ability to teach or previous exam successes asked for. Sporting prowess was expected, however.I would therefore deduce that not many Sedbergh staff will be found at the Job Centre this Summer. 'Tears and emotions' at the 'end of an era' and quotes from one disgruntled parent is hardly going to win anyone any prizes for journalism. Soul agents
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1:36pm Thu 11 Jul 13

oghels says...

This is a very sad day indeed. Girl's education has lost a wonderful school.
This is a very sad day indeed. Girl's education has lost a wonderful school. oghels
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2:21pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Milkbutnosugarplease says...

What happened to the writs which were said to be in the post, the legal advice to challenge the take-over, the governors who caved in without a fight? What's not said here is more troubling than what is, so that earlier comment about poor journalism was spot-on. If the take-over is solid and above board, how can it be defamatory to report the efforts to reverse it?
What happened to the writs which were said to be in the post, the legal advice to challenge the take-over, the governors who caved in without a fight? What's not said here is more troubling than what is, so that earlier comment about poor journalism was spot-on. If the take-over is solid and above board, how can it be defamatory to report the efforts to reverse it? Milkbutnosugarplease
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3:11pm Thu 11 Jul 13

Shell Shocked says...

Exactly Milkbutnosugarplease - if this was all solid and above board, why weren't the Casterton Governors out in support of their pupils, staff and school during this last week? I'd say it was about self interest - shameful ....
Exactly Milkbutnosugarplease - if this was all solid and above board, why weren't the Casterton Governors out in support of their pupils, staff and school during this last week? I'd say it was about self interest - shameful .... Shell Shocked
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3:20pm Thu 11 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

In reply to Soul Agents and the question about how many Sedbergh staff will be seen at job centres this summer. The answer is 0. Not one single member of Sedbergh staff was forced out by so-called 'voluntary redundancy'. Not one single member of Sedbergh staff was forced out through 'unfair dismissal'. Not one single member of Sedbergh staff was forced out by 'statutory redundancy'. Apart from ill health and retirement there is not one single change to Sedbergh staff list. Casterton staff took all the hits.

A school with a marvellous track record, academic excellence, great pastoral support, a huge community spirit, wilfully ground down by governors and leaders for short term gain. 190 years of history wiped out to help Fleck's ego.

Mr Fleck said at his first meeting after Casterton governors abandoned ship that he was after the best staff. He looked Casterton staff in the eye and promised. Yet all along his and Marshalls plan was to trash Casterton. In the end he looked after his own and shoe-horned a few Casterton staff in. Shame on you Fleck. Shame.
In reply to Soul Agents and the question about how many Sedbergh staff will be seen at job centres this summer. The answer is 0. Not one single member of Sedbergh staff was forced out by so-called 'voluntary redundancy'. Not one single member of Sedbergh staff was forced out through 'unfair dismissal'. Not one single member of Sedbergh staff was forced out by 'statutory redundancy'. Apart from ill health and retirement there is not one single change to Sedbergh staff list. Casterton staff took all the hits. A school with a marvellous track record, academic excellence, great pastoral support, a huge community spirit, wilfully ground down by governors and leaders for short term gain. 190 years of history wiped out to help Fleck's ego. Mr Fleck said at his first meeting after Casterton governors abandoned ship that he was after the best staff. He looked Casterton staff in the eye and promised. Yet all along his and Marshalls plan was to trash Casterton. In the end he looked after his own and shoe-horned a few Casterton staff in. Shame on you Fleck. Shame. estateagentlookingforbusiness
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3:23pm Thu 11 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

And for Tomlinson? Nothing. A man who put himself into a position of power. A man who stood in that position of power longer than the Charity commission rules state. A man with such huge principles that he did 'the best thing for Casterton' and yet when asked by staff to come forward and answer questions preferred to resign. For anyone using Michael Hodgsons estate agents, then remember this is the man you support. A man who walked away from his responsibilities, a man with no dignity, a man with no honour, a man with no answers. Come on Tomlinson, answer the question: WHY?
And for Tomlinson? Nothing. A man who put himself into a position of power. A man who stood in that position of power longer than the Charity commission rules state. A man with such huge principles that he did 'the best thing for Casterton' and yet when asked by staff to come forward and answer questions preferred to resign. For anyone using Michael Hodgsons estate agents, then remember this is the man you support. A man who walked away from his responsibilities, a man with no dignity, a man with no honour, a man with no answers. Come on Tomlinson, answer the question: WHY? estateagentlookingforbusiness
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8:36pm Thu 11 Jul 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

I'm slightly confused this merger is upsetting for people because ...? I'm honestly baffled and I'm not trying to start a slanging match but they are both private schools. I could understand if it was merged with a scummy state school. The only thing that might rattle me would be the fact it is far from where I live.
I understand also that people will lose their jobs but there are other teaching opportunities out there and they aren't the only ones losing their jobs at the moment.
I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact it is a fee paying school and not state funded.
What is wrong with Queen Elizabeth school. It's an outstanding school according to ofsted.
Why is this merger such a bad idea?
I'm slightly confused this merger is upsetting for people because ...? I'm honestly baffled and I'm not trying to start a slanging match but they are both private schools. I could understand if it was merged with a scummy state school. The only thing that might rattle me would be the fact it is far from where I live. I understand also that people will lose their jobs but there are other teaching opportunities out there and they aren't the only ones losing their jobs at the moment. I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact it is a fee paying school and not state funded. What is wrong with Queen Elizabeth school. It's an outstanding school according to ofsted. Why is this merger such a bad idea? PropMeUpWithTeabags
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9:10am Fri 12 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
I'm slightly confused this merger is upsetting for people because ...? I'm honestly baffled and I'm not trying to start a slanging match but they are both private schools. I could understand if it was merged with a scummy state school. The only thing that might rattle me would be the fact it is far from where I live.
I understand also that people will lose their jobs but there are other teaching opportunities out there and they aren't the only ones losing their jobs at the moment.
I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact it is a fee paying school and not state funded.
What is wrong with Queen Elizabeth school. It's an outstanding school according to ofsted.
Why is this merger such a bad idea?
Hm .I see local parents trying to juggle their lives around their children.Lessons for swimming,riding, ballet, etc all fee paying.Parents require the provision of breakfast clubs. After school child care- parents look for providers not only on cost, but mainly based on leaving their children with people they trust implicitly. This is also fee paying. Child minders in the evening-fee paying. Little is free any more. Teachers in state schools are fed up with being expected to child mind after school. Hence the child minders. So what did Casterton provide? Flexible hours, single sex education, small classes, excellent teaching, good results, all meals, sleep-overs, chances for learning new skills and hobbies, an extended 'family', 24/7 care for their children all on one site and more importantly peace of mind for the parents and complete trust in the providers. The staff were' in loco parentis' in word and deed 24/7.
Once the governors shattered the trust between themselves and the parents, their employees, and the children by announcing this merger in the way they did they destroyed a family.
As for the teachers, redundancies happen, but you are wrong in thinking jobs are easy to find and particularly at this time of year. Young teachers cannot find a full time job to complete their probationary year to get QTS status round here let alone find jobs for older teachers. Like bed blocking.. teachers are having to keep going until 65 before becoming eligible for their pension, and no new schools are being built. So spare a more gentle thought for those very experienced teachers who have built up the girls and the trust over many years. They will no doubt be offering their services by the hour to local children who need special coaching to get them through their A levels with top grades..Take them up on it, it will be worth it, but it will be fee paying.
[quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: I'm slightly confused this merger is upsetting for people because ...? I'm honestly baffled and I'm not trying to start a slanging match but they are both private schools. I could understand if it was merged with a scummy state school. The only thing that might rattle me would be the fact it is far from where I live. I understand also that people will lose their jobs but there are other teaching opportunities out there and they aren't the only ones losing their jobs at the moment. I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact it is a fee paying school and not state funded. What is wrong with Queen Elizabeth school. It's an outstanding school according to ofsted. Why is this merger such a bad idea?[/p][/quote]Hm .I see local parents trying to juggle their lives around their children.Lessons for swimming,riding, ballet, etc all fee paying.Parents require the provision of breakfast clubs. After school child care- parents look for providers not only on cost, but mainly based on leaving their children with people they trust implicitly. This is also fee paying. Child minders in the evening-fee paying. Little is free any more. Teachers in state schools are fed up with being expected to child mind after school. Hence the child minders. So what did Casterton provide? Flexible hours, single sex education, small classes, excellent teaching, good results, all meals, sleep-overs, chances for learning new skills and hobbies, an extended 'family', 24/7 care for their children all on one site and more importantly peace of mind for the parents and complete trust in the providers. The staff were' in loco parentis' in word and deed 24/7. Once the governors shattered the trust between themselves and the parents, their employees, and the children by announcing this merger in the way they did they destroyed a family. As for the teachers, redundancies happen, but you are wrong in thinking jobs are easy to find and particularly at this time of year. Young teachers cannot find a full time job to complete their probationary year to get QTS status round here let alone find jobs for older teachers. Like bed blocking.. teachers are having to keep going until 65 before becoming eligible for their pension, and no new schools are being built. So spare a more gentle thought for those very experienced teachers who have built up the girls and the trust over many years. They will no doubt be offering their services by the hour to local children who need special coaching to get them through their A levels with top grades..Take them up on it, it will be worth it, but it will be fee paying. in loco parentis
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9:53am Fri 12 Jul 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

I'm even more confused than ever now.
I'm even more confused than ever now. PropMeUpWithTeabags
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10:27am Fri 12 Jul 13

Soul agents says...

Your confusion over the takeover is shared as nobody as yet has managed to come up with a credible explanation of why it had to happen and with such extraordinary haste.

However, it has nothing to do with fee-paying schools. Like all schools Casterton School was a community and like all communities one would be a little miffed if the bulldozers suddenly arrived unannounced to create a 'bigger and best' community.

Casterton was different because of its single sex status. There is nothing wrong with QES (indeed its academic results far exceed those of Sedbergh) but with the best will in the world it cannot be described as a girls' school. The trouble is, neither can Sedbergh.

The merger of the blue of Casterton and the brown of Sedbergh could have produced a lovely new shade had more people been involved in the process but has in fact produced a much muddier brown.
Your confusion over the takeover is shared as nobody as yet has managed to come up with a credible explanation of why it had to happen and with such extraordinary haste. However, it has nothing to do with fee-paying schools. Like all schools Casterton School was a community and like all communities one would be a little miffed if the bulldozers suddenly arrived unannounced to create a 'bigger and best' community. Casterton was different because of its single sex status. There is nothing wrong with QES (indeed its academic results far exceed those of Sedbergh) but with the best will in the world it cannot be described as a girls' school. The trouble is, neither can Sedbergh. The merger of the blue of Casterton and the brown of Sedbergh could have produced a lovely new shade had more people been involved in the process but has in fact produced a much muddier brown. Soul agents
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11:08am Fri 12 Jul 13

lookingon says...

I agree that Casterton was run into the ground- little effective marketing-no porpe restuructring- reusal to accept help from staff and parents-it should not have happened
I agree that Casterton was run into the ground- little effective marketing-no porpe restuructring- reusal to accept help from staff and parents-it should not have happened lookingon
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11:26am Fri 12 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

Can the reporter who wrote this article please justify the last sentence. The one about a group of paents being unsuccessful in campaigning to save the school. Can the reporter answer teh following?
Has the group been unsuccessful?
If yes, then when and exactly how was it unsuccessful?
Who have you spoken to that can confirm this?
Or is this another example of a lack of good journalism?
I'm not so sure you have your facts right.
Can the reporter who wrote this article please justify the last sentence. The one about a group of paents being unsuccessful in campaigning to save the school. Can the reporter answer teh following? Has the group been unsuccessful? If yes, then when and exactly how was it unsuccessful? Who have you spoken to that can confirm this? Or is this another example of a lack of good journalism? I'm not so sure you have your facts right. estateagentlookingforbusiness
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11:44am Fri 12 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
I'm even more confused than ever now.
Ok! Some clarification.hopefu
lly!

'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.'
You are in a way correct.

State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like.

On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school.

So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up.

This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset.

Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables.

I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger.

I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere.

Re the teachers:
If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.
[quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: I'm even more confused than ever now.[/p][/quote]Ok! Some clarification.hopefu lly! 'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.' You are in a way correct. State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like. On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school. So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up. This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset. Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables. I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger. I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere. Re the teachers: If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year. in loco parentis
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12:34pm Fri 12 Jul 13

Soul agents says...

in loco parentis wrote:
PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
I'm even more confused than ever now.
Ok! Some clarification.hopefu

lly!

'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.'
You are in a way correct.

State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like.

On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school.

So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up.

This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset.

Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables.

I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger.

I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere.

Re the teachers:
If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.
"I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school."

That's a ridiculous scenario.

Isn't it ........?
[quote][p][bold]in loco parentis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: I'm even more confused than ever now.[/p][/quote]Ok! Some clarification.hopefu lly! 'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.' You are in a way correct. State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like. On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school. So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up. This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset. Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables. I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger. I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere. Re the teachers: If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.[/p][/quote]"I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school." That's a ridiculous scenario. Isn't it ........? Soul agents
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10:01am Sat 13 Jul 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

Soul agents wrote:
in loco parentis wrote:
PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
I'm even more confused than ever now.
Ok! Some clarification.hopefu


lly!

'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.'
You are in a way correct.

State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like.

On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school.

So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up.

This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset.

Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables.

I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger.

I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere.

Re the teachers:
If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.
"I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school."

That's a ridiculous scenario.

Isn't it ........?
I wouldn't care personally. In fact i would welcome it. Education has gotten to be all about how much money you have. If you have money you can move closer to the better schools, pay for extra curricular activities, and tutor your kids privately. You also have money to go on holidays that are educational, go out to museums and buy educational things for our children.
I think merging schools is a brilliant idea. It teaches well off children that they are lucky and inspires poorer kids there's more to life.
I agree it is bad they told the pupils and not the parents but by all accounts they are intelligent girls so maybe they thought they we doing the right thing.
I still don't get what the problem is and I find the idea that you think a school is like a family a little disturbing, because a school is not what I think of when I hear the word family.
I'm not convinced there is really a problem. The girls from Africa can go to any boarding school in the country they are far away from home. I feel for those that maybe live in Kirkby Lonsdale but many families have to move schools for many reasons and it doesn't cause the outrage this has.
[quote][p][bold]Soul agents[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in loco parentis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: I'm even more confused than ever now.[/p][/quote]Ok! Some clarification.hopefu lly! 'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.' You are in a way correct. State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like. On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school. So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up. This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset. Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables. I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger. I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere. Re the teachers: If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.[/p][/quote]"I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school." That's a ridiculous scenario. Isn't it ........?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't care personally. In fact i would welcome it. Education has gotten to be all about how much money you have. If you have money you can move closer to the better schools, pay for extra curricular activities, and tutor your kids privately. You also have money to go on holidays that are educational, go out to museums and buy educational things for our children. I think merging schools is a brilliant idea. It teaches well off children that they are lucky and inspires poorer kids there's more to life. I agree it is bad they told the pupils and not the parents but by all accounts they are intelligent girls so maybe they thought they we doing the right thing. I still don't get what the problem is and I find the idea that you think a school is like a family a little disturbing, because a school is not what I think of when I hear the word family. I'm not convinced there is really a problem. The girls from Africa can go to any boarding school in the country they are far away from home. I feel for those that maybe live in Kirkby Lonsdale but many families have to move schools for many reasons and it doesn't cause the outrage this has. PropMeUpWithTeabags
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11:25am Sat 13 Jul 13

frangipani says...

That's exactly right PropMeUPWithTeabags, YOU DON'T CARE. To care, you would have to know and experience it. The fact that you Don't Care Personally does not give you the right to have an opinion on this issue ( that is very much important to the people who are linked directly/indirectly to Casterton School ). Casterton is our School, lots of lives have been turned upside-down since the announcement !
And you are right, our girls are very intelligent, but they are also very human.
You seemed to have problems with hardworking people who saved and spend their money on private schooling and that 'well off children need to be taught a lesson that they are lucky & inspires poorer kids there's more to life.'. I sense jealousy here.
A school, especially a boarding school, needs to be more than an ordinary school. Even day girls reap the benefit of extra pastoral care /TLC.It is the 2nd place to family home, where they need and can feel safe & secure.
I do pity you, as you are struggling to understand this very sensitive issue. I really do....you haven't got a clue.Just wonder why you would want to waste your precious time on debating this 'random issue'.
That's exactly right PropMeUPWithTeabags, YOU DON'T CARE. To care, you would have to know and experience it. The fact that you Don't Care Personally does not give you the right to have an opinion on this issue ( that is very much important to the people who are linked directly/indirectly to Casterton School ). Casterton is our School, lots of lives have been turned upside-down since the announcement ! And you are right, our girls are very intelligent, but they are also very human. You seemed to have problems with hardworking people who saved and spend their money on private schooling and that 'well off children need to be taught a lesson that they are lucky & inspires poorer kids there's more to life.'. I sense jealousy here. A school, especially a boarding school, needs to be more than an ordinary school. Even day girls reap the benefit of extra pastoral care /TLC.It is the 2nd place to family home, where they need and can feel safe & secure. I do pity you, as you are struggling to understand this very sensitive issue. I really do....you haven't got a clue.Just wonder why you would want to waste your precious time on debating this 'random issue'. frangipani
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11:57am Sat 13 Jul 13

zaney5 says...

PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
Soul agents wrote:
in loco parentis wrote:
PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
I'm even more confused than ever now.
Ok! Some clarification.hopefu



lly!

'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.'
You are in a way correct.

State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like.

On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school.

So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up.

This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset.

Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables.

I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger.

I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere.

Re the teachers:
If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.
"I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school."

That's a ridiculous scenario.

Isn't it ........?
I wouldn't care personally. In fact i would welcome it. Education has gotten to be all about how much money you have. If you have money you can move closer to the better schools, pay for extra curricular activities, and tutor your kids privately. You also have money to go on holidays that are educational, go out to museums and buy educational things for our children.
I think merging schools is a brilliant idea. It teaches well off children that they are lucky and inspires poorer kids there's more to life.
I agree it is bad they told the pupils and not the parents but by all accounts they are intelligent girls so maybe they thought they we doing the right thing.
I still don't get what the problem is and I find the idea that you think a school is like a family a little disturbing, because a school is not what I think of when I hear the word family.
I'm not convinced there is really a problem. The girls from Africa can go to any boarding school in the country they are far away from home. I feel for those that maybe live in Kirkby Lonsdale but many families have to move schools for many reasons and it doesn't cause the outrage this has.
It's pretty clear you "don't get it".

You say that the girls from Africa can go to any school, it doesn't make a difference as they will be far away from home anyway.

Do you not think that Casterton was chosen for those girls for a reason. The main word here being CHOSEN.

Had they chose to go to Sedbergh thats another thing entirely. But they didn't.

Someone in another thread on this story made this anaolgy:

You decide to buy a car. You spend months reading reviews, researching, test driving different vehicles until YOU come to the decision which one to buy. You drive it. You're extremely happy with it. Then one day, without warning, someone comes along, takes your car away and replaces it with something else. Something you didn't choose. Something you don't want. "Oh but this car will be better for you" they say.

What would you do?

Now do you get it?
[quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soul agents[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in loco parentis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: I'm even more confused than ever now.[/p][/quote]Ok! Some clarification.hopefu lly! 'I wouldn't have a problem if my children's schools merged. I can't help but think it has something to do with the fact that it is fee paying school and not state funded.' You are in a way correct. State schools have a process of consultation to go through before the decision can be taken. Mind you I am not sure that that is the case for Academies.....I think they may not have that restriction . However, it appears that the governors of private schools can ignore common decency and can just do what they like. On 26th Feb this year the governors of Casterton announced to the children they were no longer going to be at Casterton and that they were going to be sent to Sedbergh this September. They told the children but hadn't told the parents. Remember some boarders have parents living in Africa and other faraway places. Some of them have sisters within the school. So in effect they were being transferred from their 'second home' ( which is single sex secondary from age 11) to another which is vastly different and with no consultation whatever. Some siblings would be split up. This is not a merger, it is a takeover, and a badly handled one at that. There has been no transparency or accountability and this has caused great upset. Sedbergh is very different from Casterton. It is a good school in many ways but it has to be acknowledged that its place is 100 places further down in the academic tables. I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school This is why I call it a takeover and not a merger. I hope this helps you to make more sense of this very emotional and sad situation. It must be very strange for people who do not know Casterton and its exceptional family atmosphere. Re the teachers: If you know of any teaching jobs out there for experienced teachers perhaps you could be so kind as to let the Casterton staff know where they are.They would be very grateful. I believe jobs out there are like hen's teeth at this time of year.[/p][/quote]"I just wonder if you would be happy if QES 'merged' with another school 100 places further down the league and made the excellent QES staff redundant in preference to the staff of the other school." That's a ridiculous scenario. Isn't it ........?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't care personally. In fact i would welcome it. Education has gotten to be all about how much money you have. If you have money you can move closer to the better schools, pay for extra curricular activities, and tutor your kids privately. You also have money to go on holidays that are educational, go out to museums and buy educational things for our children. I think merging schools is a brilliant idea. It teaches well off children that they are lucky and inspires poorer kids there's more to life. I agree it is bad they told the pupils and not the parents but by all accounts they are intelligent girls so maybe they thought they we doing the right thing. I still don't get what the problem is and I find the idea that you think a school is like a family a little disturbing, because a school is not what I think of when I hear the word family. I'm not convinced there is really a problem. The girls from Africa can go to any boarding school in the country they are far away from home. I feel for those that maybe live in Kirkby Lonsdale but many families have to move schools for many reasons and it doesn't cause the outrage this has.[/p][/quote]It's pretty clear you "don't get it". You say that the girls from Africa can go to any school, it doesn't make a difference as they will be far away from home anyway. Do you not think that Casterton was chosen for those girls for a reason. The main word here being CHOSEN. Had they chose to go to Sedbergh thats another thing entirely. But they didn't. Someone in another thread on this story made this anaolgy: You decide to buy a car. You spend months reading reviews, researching, test driving different vehicles until YOU come to the decision which one to buy. You drive it. You're extremely happy with it. Then one day, without warning, someone comes along, takes your car away and replaces it with something else. Something you didn't choose. Something you don't want. "Oh but this car will be better for you" they say. What would you do? Now do you get it? zaney5
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10:58pm Sat 13 Jul 13

JBean2 says...

PropMeUPWithTeabags has every right to have an opinion, as does every man, women and child. Do you really believe you have to have a personal link to this story to have an opinion? Heaven help us all! Do you only have opinions on matters personal to you?
PropMeUpwithTeabags asked a genuine question and is then treated to being called "jealous" and being pitied by you.
Ever since this news broke I have been amazed at the way some parents of children who were at Casterton have responded on this site.
Other people may be genuinely unsure as to the validity of statements posted here and may want to question them. Too often the responses are defensive and critical.
And by the way I agree that sending your girls away to be looked after 24/7 and considering this to be their family is a bit disturbing. Because what role does this leave for their actual family, apart from paying the bill?
I also don't really get the car analogy. What if the car broke down and couldn't be mended. You would have to find another car.
PropMeUPWithTeabags has every right to have an opinion, as does every man, women and child. Do you really believe you have to have a personal link to this story to have an opinion? Heaven help us all! Do you only have opinions on matters personal to you? PropMeUpwithTeabags asked a genuine question and is then treated to being called "jealous" and being pitied by you. Ever since this news broke I have been amazed at the way some parents of children who were at Casterton have responded on this site. Other people may be genuinely unsure as to the validity of statements posted here and may want to question them. Too often the responses are defensive and critical. And by the way I agree that sending your girls away to be looked after 24/7 and considering this to be their family is a bit disturbing. Because what role does this leave for their actual family, apart from paying the bill? I also don't really get the car analogy. What if the car broke down and couldn't be mended. You would have to find another car. JBean2
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12:22am Sun 14 Jul 13

lakesailor says...

estateagentlookingfo
rbusiness
wrote:
Can the reporter who wrote this article please justify the last sentence. The one about a group of paents being unsuccessful in campaigning to save the school. Can the reporter answer teh following?
Has the group been unsuccessful?
If yes, then when and exactly how was it unsuccessful?
Who have you spoken to that can confirm this?
Or is this another example of a lack of good journalism?
I'm not so sure you have your facts right.
Just as a casual bystander - if the group was trying to save the school and it has in fact closed, then the group could be deemed to have failed.
[quote][p][bold]estateagentlookingfo rbusiness[/bold] wrote: Can the reporter who wrote this article please justify the last sentence. The one about a group of paents being unsuccessful in campaigning to save the school. Can the reporter answer teh following? Has the group been unsuccessful? If yes, then when and exactly how was it unsuccessful? Who have you spoken to that can confirm this? Or is this another example of a lack of good journalism? I'm not so sure you have your facts right.[/p][/quote]Just as a casual bystander - if the group was trying to save the school and it has in fact closed, then the group could be deemed to have failed. lakesailor
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10:33am Sun 14 Jul 13

frangipani says...

If you read and re-read PMUWT's comments, not only being just 'have an opinion' but also condescending.

Of course you are amazed at the way some parents responded.Casterton'
s parents/staff/friend
s take our children's welfare & education very seriously.

'Too often the responses are defensive & critical' - What do you expect ? It is a Forum and please refer to 1st paragraph.

You also not happy with the role of school as family ( I did say 2nd family home, not to be confused as family....).There are some parents who are working abroad to countries that do not have adequate education for their children. in this instance, these parents look for schools that tick all/most of their boxes to ensure the welfare of their children and piece of mind whilst they're away working abroad.

And if the car broke down & couldn't be mended - ask again for help/opinions around , try to justify buying a new one ......or can it be repaired ?
If you read and re-read PMUWT's comments, not only being just 'have an opinion' but also condescending. Of course you are amazed at the way some parents responded.Casterton' s parents/staff/friend s take our children's welfare & education very seriously. 'Too often the responses are defensive & critical' - What do you expect ? It is a Forum and please refer to 1st paragraph. You also not happy with the role of school as family ( I did say 2nd family home, not to be confused as family....).There are some parents who are working abroad to countries that do not have adequate education for their children. in this instance, these parents look for schools that tick all/most of their boxes to ensure the welfare of their children and piece of mind whilst they're away working abroad. And if the car broke down & couldn't be mended - ask again for help/opinions around , try to justify buying a new one ......or can it be repaired ? frangipani
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11:00pm Sun 14 Jul 13

JBean2 says...

frangipani wrote:
If you read and re-read PMUWT's comments, not only being just 'have an opinion' but also condescending.

Of course you are amazed at the way some parents responded.Casterton'

s parents/staff/friend

s take our children's welfare & education very seriously.

'Too often the responses are defensive & critical' - What do you expect ? It is a Forum and please refer to 1st paragraph.

You also not happy with the role of school as family ( I did say 2nd family home, not to be confused as family....).There are some parents who are working abroad to countries that do not have adequate education for their children. in this instance, these parents look for schools that tick all/most of their boxes to ensure the welfare of their children and piece of mind whilst they're away working abroad.

And if the car broke down & couldn't be mended - ask again for help/opinions around , try to justify buying a new one ......or can it be repaired ?
Well I agree with you frangipani, when you say "What do you expect ? It is a Forum ", so why not give PropMeUpWithTeabags some respect and don't say "The fact that you Don't Care Personally does not give you the right to have an opinion on this issue". It is after all a Forum!
I don't know how many girls at Casterton had parents living out of this country, none of the ones I know of did. My opinion of this will not please you because I can't understand why anyone would do that, my priority would always be to live with my children. I accept other people make life choices different to mine but I see no advantage for the child in this situation. But surely if you worked in a country and considered the education system there not good enough for your child, you would send them to a school a bit nearer to an airport so they could get to see you a bit quicker at holiday time.
The car thing just doesn't work either, because I said "if it couldn't be mended", so what good would asking around do? And also when zaney5 makes the analogy about the car, is the suggestion that parents of girls at Casterton paid the fees up front for years 7 to 13? Did anyone pay fees in advance and lose their money? Presumably parents got their money's worth up until the last day of term. So it does not compare to someone taking away a car you have paid for.
All this analogy does is remind us all how important money is to some people and how they think if they have money they should always get what they want even if circumstances change.
[quote][p][bold]frangipani[/bold] wrote: If you read and re-read PMUWT's comments, not only being just 'have an opinion' but also condescending. Of course you are amazed at the way some parents responded.Casterton' s parents/staff/friend s take our children's welfare & education very seriously. 'Too often the responses are defensive & critical' - What do you expect ? It is a Forum and please refer to 1st paragraph. You also not happy with the role of school as family ( I did say 2nd family home, not to be confused as family....).There are some parents who are working abroad to countries that do not have adequate education for their children. in this instance, these parents look for schools that tick all/most of their boxes to ensure the welfare of their children and piece of mind whilst they're away working abroad. And if the car broke down & couldn't be mended - ask again for help/opinions around , try to justify buying a new one ......or can it be repaired ?[/p][/quote]Well I agree with you frangipani, when you say "What do you expect ? It is a Forum ", so why not give PropMeUpWithTeabags some respect and don't say "The fact that you Don't Care Personally does not give you the right to have an opinion on this issue". It is after all a Forum! I don't know how many girls at Casterton had parents living out of this country, none of the ones I know of did. My opinion of this will not please you because I can't understand why anyone would do that, my priority would always be to live with my children. I accept other people make life choices different to mine but I see no advantage for the child in this situation. But surely if you worked in a country and considered the education system there not good enough for your child, you would send them to a school a bit nearer to an airport so they could get to see you a bit quicker at holiday time. The car thing just doesn't work either, because I said "if it couldn't be mended", so what good would asking around do? And also when zaney5 makes the analogy about the car, is the suggestion that parents of girls at Casterton paid the fees up front for years 7 to 13? Did anyone pay fees in advance and lose their money? Presumably parents got their money's worth up until the last day of term. So it does not compare to someone taking away a car you have paid for. All this analogy does is remind us all how important money is to some people and how they think if they have money they should always get what they want even if circumstances change. JBean2
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12:16pm Mon 15 Jul 13

frangipani says...

I think we are veering away from the topic here. It is now touching on to a different issue ;- ' Should People With Money/ Sacrifice Their Hard Earned Money Send Their Children To Private/Boarding Schools If They Wish To ? ' . We will just have to agree not to agree on this.
I think we are veering away from the topic here. It is now touching on to a different issue ;- ' Should People With Money/ Sacrifice Their Hard Earned Money Send Their Children To Private/Boarding Schools If They Wish To ? ' . We will just have to agree not to agree on this. frangipani
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12:51pm Mon 15 Jul 13

oghels says...

Clearly anyone can comment on a public forum. However you have more chance of really understanding how this takeover has affected people if you have a link to Casterton (or maybe a similar school). Casterton wsn't "just" a school. It was a way of life. It was a 2nd home for many. It was small, everyone knew everyone and everyone cared for each other. It is impossible to put into words the ethos of the school; you had to be there to know.

The fact that it is not just parents of current pupils who are unhappy about the situation, but also people who were at Casterton 10 years, 20 years even more ago must say something about how special the school is to those connected with it.

There was always something almost comforting about knowing that for decades before you and (one always assumed) for decades after girls would be walking up and down the red corridor, crossing the road down to Bronte, running up Chinaman's Hill. ....and having a fantastic education from excellent teachers while making friendships for life.

Girls' education is certainly the poorer for the loss of this school. I for one and very sorry that my daughter will not be able to experience it.

Maybe the school was in trouble. Maybe there was no other choice. This is something we may never know. But one thing is clear. The situation was handled very badly by those who should have had the education and welfare of the girls as a priority. Had it been handled differently who knows how people would have responded. With sadness undoubtedly but I would imagine a lot less anger and frustration.
Clearly anyone can comment on a public forum. However you have more chance of really understanding how this takeover has affected people if you have a link to Casterton (or maybe a similar school). Casterton wsn't "just" a school. It was a way of life. It was a 2nd home for many. It was small, everyone knew everyone and everyone cared for each other. It is impossible to put into words the ethos of the school; you had to be there to know. The fact that it is not just parents of current pupils who are unhappy about the situation, but also people who were at Casterton 10 years, 20 years even more ago must say something about how special the school is to those connected with it. There was always something almost comforting about knowing that for decades before you and (one always assumed) for decades after girls would be walking up and down the red corridor, crossing the road down to Bronte, running up Chinaman's Hill. ....and having a fantastic education from excellent teachers while making friendships for life. Girls' education is certainly the poorer for the loss of this school. I for one and very sorry that my daughter will not be able to experience it. Maybe the school was in trouble. Maybe there was no other choice. This is something we may never know. But one thing is clear. The situation was handled very badly by those who should have had the education and welfare of the girls as a priority. Had it been handled differently who knows how people would have responded. With sadness undoubtedly but I would imagine a lot less anger and frustration. oghels
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3:47pm Mon 15 Jul 13

zaney5 says...

JBean2 wrote:
frangipani wrote:
If you read and re-read PMUWT's comments, not only being just 'have an opinion' but also condescending.

Of course you are amazed at the way some parents responded.Casterton'


s parents/staff/friend


s take our children's welfare & education very seriously.

'Too often the responses are defensive & critical' - What do you expect ? It is a Forum and please refer to 1st paragraph.

You also not happy with the role of school as family ( I did say 2nd family home, not to be confused as family....).There are some parents who are working abroad to countries that do not have adequate education for their children. in this instance, these parents look for schools that tick all/most of their boxes to ensure the welfare of their children and piece of mind whilst they're away working abroad.

And if the car broke down & couldn't be mended - ask again for help/opinions around , try to justify buying a new one ......or can it be repaired ?
Well I agree with you frangipani, when you say "What do you expect ? It is a Forum ", so why not give PropMeUpWithTeabags some respect and don't say "The fact that you Don't Care Personally does not give you the right to have an opinion on this issue". It is after all a Forum!
I don't know how many girls at Casterton had parents living out of this country, none of the ones I know of did. My opinion of this will not please you because I can't understand why anyone would do that, my priority would always be to live with my children. I accept other people make life choices different to mine but I see no advantage for the child in this situation. But surely if you worked in a country and considered the education system there not good enough for your child, you would send them to a school a bit nearer to an airport so they could get to see you a bit quicker at holiday time.
The car thing just doesn't work either, because I said "if it couldn't be mended", so what good would asking around do? And also when zaney5 makes the analogy about the car, is the suggestion that parents of girls at Casterton paid the fees up front for years 7 to 13? Did anyone pay fees in advance and lose their money? Presumably parents got their money's worth up until the last day of term. So it does not compare to someone taking away a car you have paid for.
All this analogy does is remind us all how important money is to some people and how they think if they have money they should always get what they want even if circumstances change.
The car analogy wasn't anything to do with money.

It was meant to highlight CHOICE.
[quote][p][bold]JBean2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frangipani[/bold] wrote: If you read and re-read PMUWT's comments, not only being just 'have an opinion' but also condescending. Of course you are amazed at the way some parents responded.Casterton' s parents/staff/friend s take our children's welfare & education very seriously. 'Too often the responses are defensive & critical' - What do you expect ? It is a Forum and please refer to 1st paragraph. You also not happy with the role of school as family ( I did say 2nd family home, not to be confused as family....).There are some parents who are working abroad to countries that do not have adequate education for their children. in this instance, these parents look for schools that tick all/most of their boxes to ensure the welfare of their children and piece of mind whilst they're away working abroad. And if the car broke down & couldn't be mended - ask again for help/opinions around , try to justify buying a new one ......or can it be repaired ?[/p][/quote]Well I agree with you frangipani, when you say "What do you expect ? It is a Forum ", so why not give PropMeUpWithTeabags some respect and don't say "The fact that you Don't Care Personally does not give you the right to have an opinion on this issue". It is after all a Forum! I don't know how many girls at Casterton had parents living out of this country, none of the ones I know of did. My opinion of this will not please you because I can't understand why anyone would do that, my priority would always be to live with my children. I accept other people make life choices different to mine but I see no advantage for the child in this situation. But surely if you worked in a country and considered the education system there not good enough for your child, you would send them to a school a bit nearer to an airport so they could get to see you a bit quicker at holiday time. The car thing just doesn't work either, because I said "if it couldn't be mended", so what good would asking around do? And also when zaney5 makes the analogy about the car, is the suggestion that parents of girls at Casterton paid the fees up front for years 7 to 13? Did anyone pay fees in advance and lose their money? Presumably parents got their money's worth up until the last day of term. So it does not compare to someone taking away a car you have paid for. All this analogy does is remind us all how important money is to some people and how they think if they have money they should always get what they want even if circumstances change.[/p][/quote]The car analogy wasn't anything to do with money. It was meant to highlight CHOICE. zaney5
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5:55pm Mon 15 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

Interestingly, when a friend of mine heard about the 'merging' of these two schools she wrote that it seemed ridiculous but she felt that part of her childhood had been taken away from her, then she wrote that she could not understand why she felt that way, but it seemed as though she had had a bereavement, and then her last comment was that it was ridiculous to feel this but she felt that she had lost a third parent.
This indicates just how much part of her life had been shaped by her experience of this very special school and as has already been said was like a second home. She left the school in 1965! I suspect that those who are in the army have this very close knit 'family' feeling within their regiment too and understand this extraordinary closeness....The words 'Man down' and everyone comes immediately to support and care and they know automatically that their officers need support too. It affects the whole regiment. It doesn't mean that they care any less for their family at home. It is part of being in a very special, closely knit bunch of 'siblings' who are there every day and every night. Naturally, like every family they have their occasional irritations with each other but that is only to be expected .
Interestingly, when a friend of mine heard about the 'merging' of these two schools she wrote that it seemed ridiculous but she felt that part of her childhood had been taken away from her, then she wrote that she could not understand why she felt that way, but it seemed as though she had had a bereavement, and then her last comment was that it was ridiculous to feel this but she felt that she had lost a third parent. This indicates just how much part of her life had been shaped by her experience of this very special school and as has already been said was like a second home. She left the school in 1965! I suspect that those who are in the army have this very close knit 'family' feeling within their regiment too and understand this extraordinary closeness....The words 'Man down' and everyone comes immediately to support and care and they know automatically that their officers need support too. It affects the whole regiment. It doesn't mean that they care any less for their family at home. It is part of being in a very special, closely knit bunch of 'siblings' who are there every day and every night. Naturally, like every family they have their occasional irritations with each other but that is only to be expected . in loco parentis
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8:23pm Mon 15 Jul 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

Sorry I didn't mean to spark an argument, it was just my opinion. It seems though that the opinions of us laymen are not valid. In fact the people who seem so against this merger come across as very narrow minded individuals. At least I tried to understand and get some clarity and then come to a conclusion not police people because I don't agree with them.
I'm still confused and still fail to understand the importance of this wonderful school that if so wonderful would still be a profitable establishment.
Sorry I didn't mean to spark an argument, it was just my opinion. It seems though that the opinions of us laymen are not valid. In fact the people who seem so against this merger come across as very narrow minded individuals. At least I tried to understand and get some clarity and then come to a conclusion not police people because I don't agree with them. I'm still confused and still fail to understand the importance of this wonderful school that if so wonderful would still be a profitable establishment. PropMeUpWithTeabags
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9:54pm Mon 15 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

Dear PropMeUpWithTeabags
No I certainly don't regard you as a layman at all and of course your opinions are completely valid. I am just trying to explain and answer your original query as to why this extraordinary place of education is so special to so many generations of girls, parents and staff.(catering, admin, maintenance,academic
,.everyone)

However I am not very good at being able to describe it and I hope you may have got a glimpse of its importance in the lives of so many. It is very difficult to understand, I appreciate that.

It is like trying to put into words a description of the scent of honeysuckle on a summer's evening or describing the effect of a piece of music on the ear and the heart. Some things are not possible to describe adequately to someone else.

I am sure that you have accepted that for some reason Casterton School was a very special place to many no matter how incomprehensible it seems! I am sure you are not alone in being quite perplexed.
Dear PropMeUpWithTeabags No I certainly don't regard you as a layman at all and of course your opinions are completely valid. I am just trying to explain and answer your original query as to why this extraordinary place of education is so special to so many generations of girls, parents and staff.(catering, admin, maintenance,academic ,.everyone) However I am not very good at being able to describe it and I hope you may have got a glimpse of its importance in the lives of so many. It is very difficult to understand, I appreciate that. It is like trying to put into words a description of the scent of honeysuckle on a summer's evening or describing the effect of a piece of music on the ear and the heart. Some things are not possible to describe adequately to someone else. I am sure that you have accepted that for some reason Casterton School was a very special place to many no matter how incomprehensible it seems! I am sure you are not alone in being quite perplexed. in loco parentis
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12:17am Tue 16 Jul 13

estateagentlookingforbusiness says...

PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
Sorry I didn't mean to spark an argument, it was just my opinion. It seems though that the opinions of us laymen are not valid. In fact the people who seem so against this merger come across as very narrow minded individuals. At least I tried to understand and get some clarity and then come to a conclusion not police people because I don't agree with them. I'm still confused and still fail to understand the importance of this wonderful school that if so wonderful would still be a profitable establishment.
You are right to ask why such a wonderful school could not be more profitable. It is a question that parents and staff have been asking for sometime.
The Headteacher, Mrs. Lucas, stood in front of a packed speech day last Saturday and gave a list (that lasted some considerable time) on the strenghts and great achievements of the school in the past 12 months. And yet the crowd were left open mouthed as to our predicament. WHY??

Over the past five years the staff have written to the Headteacher and the Governors with suggestions, comments, ideas, requests for a detailed development plan etc.. Mr Tomlinson (Chair of Governors) and the leadership all refused to reply to any letter/email.


Why was Mrs. Lucas sent to China to atttract girls to Casterton but did not speak to the parents of Casterton Y6 girls, who could have proceeded to the senior school but who then left to attend other Secondary schools?

Why did Tomlinson announce at last years speech day that Casterton was a great school with huge achievements? (see above posts for more)

Mr. Tomlinson (an estate agent) has been asked if he or his partners directly or indirectly profited from the sale of previously owned Sedbergh sites or will profit from the sale of any of Casterton. NO-ONE will answer.


Why did Tomlinson sell £7m of assests plus the resources that could be worth another 1m, for only £1???

Why did he sell it to a school with £5m of debt? Did existing and long term frienships sway him?

When Mr. Tomlinson announced to staff his great idea of a sell-off (which he called a merge) he refused to answer any questions to the staff that suffered as a result of his decision and still does.

Why has the merge taken place when one school prides itself on acadmeic excellence and the other openly scoffs at it. Surely a better partner would have been more ameniable??

PropMeUpWithTeaBags, you raise some important questions but the only answers that staff and parents have are more questions. The people with the answers refuse to answer and hopefully you will also see why it has become frustrating, painful and heartbreaking for the few that it affects.

If you ever see Tomlinson, tell him we were looking for him
[quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: Sorry I didn't mean to spark an argument, it was just my opinion. It seems though that the opinions of us laymen are not valid. In fact the people who seem so against this merger come across as very narrow minded individuals. At least I tried to understand and get some clarity and then come to a conclusion not police people because I don't agree with them. I'm still confused and still fail to understand the importance of this wonderful school that if so wonderful would still be a profitable establishment.[/p][/quote]You are right to ask why such a wonderful school could not be more profitable. It is a question that parents and staff have been asking for sometime. The Headteacher, Mrs. Lucas, stood in front of a packed speech day last Saturday and gave a list (that lasted some considerable time) on the strenghts and great achievements of the school in the past 12 months. And yet the crowd were left open mouthed as to our predicament. WHY?? Over the past five years the staff have written to the Headteacher and the Governors with suggestions, comments, ideas, requests for a detailed development plan etc.. Mr Tomlinson (Chair of Governors) and the leadership all refused to reply to any letter/email. Why was Mrs. Lucas sent to China to atttract girls to Casterton but did not speak to the parents of Casterton Y6 girls, who could have proceeded to the senior school but who then left to attend other Secondary schools? Why did Tomlinson announce at last years speech day that Casterton was a great school with huge achievements? (see above posts for more) Mr. Tomlinson (an estate agent) has been asked if he or his partners directly or indirectly profited from the sale of previously owned Sedbergh sites or will profit from the sale of any of Casterton. NO-ONE will answer. Why did Tomlinson sell £7m of assests plus the resources that could be worth another 1m, for only £1??? Why did he sell it to a school with £5m of debt? Did existing and long term frienships sway him? When Mr. Tomlinson announced to staff his great idea of a sell-off (which he called a merge) he refused to answer any questions to the staff that suffered as a result of his decision and still does. Why has the merge taken place when one school prides itself on acadmeic excellence and the other openly scoffs at it. Surely a better partner would have been more ameniable?? PropMeUpWithTeaBags, you raise some important questions but the only answers that staff and parents have are more questions. The people with the answers refuse to answer and hopefully you will also see why it has become frustrating, painful and heartbreaking for the few that it affects. If you ever see Tomlinson, tell him we were looking for him estateagentlookingforbusiness
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12:41am Tue 16 Jul 13

xross9 says...

estateagentlookingfo
rbusiness
wrote:
And for Tomlinson? Nothing. A man who put himself into a position of power. A man who stood in that position of power longer than the Charity commission rules state. A man with such huge principles that he did 'the best thing for Casterton' and yet when asked by staff to come forward and answer questions preferred to resign. For anyone using Michael Hodgsons estate agents, then remember this is the man you support. A man who walked away from his responsibilities, a man with no dignity, a man with no honour, a man with no answers. Come on Tomlinson, answer the question: WHY?
This sums up the whole episode for me

Goodnight
[quote][p][bold]estateagentlookingfo rbusiness[/bold] wrote: And for Tomlinson? Nothing. A man who put himself into a position of power. A man who stood in that position of power longer than the Charity commission rules state. A man with such huge principles that he did 'the best thing for Casterton' and yet when asked by staff to come forward and answer questions preferred to resign. For anyone using Michael Hodgsons estate agents, then remember this is the man you support. A man who walked away from his responsibilities, a man with no dignity, a man with no honour, a man with no answers. Come on Tomlinson, answer the question: WHY?[/p][/quote]This sums up the whole episode for me Goodnight xross9
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8:48am Wed 17 Jul 13

lookingon says...

The issue is not the situation Casterton was in at the end of this year but how it got there. If all had been done to market the school, reduce costs and fund raise there would have been less furore. If the governors had consulted and informed interested parties there would have less anger. If other school mergers, free school option had been discussed , there would have been less room to complain. the governors have not answered any important questions. Their main reason that it was in the best interests of pupils and staff is clearly mistaken. Girls have moved all over the country and most staff are made redundant. It is the usual ' no blame' culture we see from other parts of our society
The issue is not the situation Casterton was in at the end of this year but how it got there. If all had been done to market the school, reduce costs and fund raise there would have been less furore. If the governors had consulted and informed interested parties there would have less anger. If other school mergers, free school option had been discussed , there would have been less room to complain. the governors have not answered any important questions. Their main reason that it was in the best interests of pupils and staff is clearly mistaken. Girls have moved all over the country and most staff are made redundant. It is the usual ' no blame' culture we see from other parts of our society lookingon
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12:28am Sun 21 Jul 13

xross9 says...

Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website:

The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2013 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England'

The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2013 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community'

Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.
Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2013 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2013 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim. xross9
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12:33am Sun 21 Jul 13

xross9 says...

xross9 wrote:
Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website:

The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2013 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England'

The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2013 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community'

Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.
Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2012 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2012 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.
[quote][p][bold]xross9[/bold] wrote: Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2013 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2013 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.[/p][/quote]Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2012 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2012 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim. xross9
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9:32am Sun 21 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

xross9 wrote:
xross9 wrote:
Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website:

The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2013 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England'

The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2013 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community'

Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.
Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2012 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2012 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.
Congratulations to Sedbergh school for moving closer to its aim? What aim? What were Sedbergh's stated aspirations for its pupils? There is no mention of what they were going to do for their pupils once they had got them into this 'premier' full boarding school What exactly were they hoping to achieve for their pupils? If you read through the Casterton aims they are all based on preparing the pupils for their future after they have left the school. I would prefer to know what the school intends to do for my child.

Casterton's clear statement tells exactly what the aims were for each child. Sedbergh's aims for each child is spectacularly absent in its sweeping ambition. Since it is hoped that Hugh Blair read the documents before signing them off perhaps some of the ethos and aims of Casterton will yet penetrate Sedbergh.
[quote][p][bold]xross9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]xross9[/bold] wrote: Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2013 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2013 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.[/p][/quote]Comparing the Sedbergh School 2012 end of year results (31st July 2012) with the Casterton School end of year results (31st August 2012) - both signed off by Hugh Blair and on the Charities Commission website: The Sedbergh School aim for beyond 31st July 2012 is : 'to be the premier full boarding school for boys and girls in the North of England' The Casterton School aim for beyond 31st August 2012 is : 'to achieve consistently high academic levels in addition to providing its pupils with an extra curricular programme designed to develop life long interests and to help build self confidence and a desire to contribute to the community' Congratulations to Sedbergh School in moving closer to it's aim.[/p][/quote]Congratulations to Sedbergh school for moving closer to its aim? What aim? What were Sedbergh's stated aspirations for its pupils? There is no mention of what they were going to do for their pupils once they had got them into this 'premier' full boarding school What exactly were they hoping to achieve for their pupils? If you read through the Casterton aims they are all based on preparing the pupils for their future after they have left the school. I would prefer to know what the school intends to do for my child. Casterton's clear statement tells exactly what the aims were for each child. Sedbergh's aims for each child is spectacularly absent in its sweeping ambition. Since it is hoped that Hugh Blair read the documents before signing them off perhaps some of the ethos and aims of Casterton will yet penetrate Sedbergh. in loco parentis
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9:50pm Mon 22 Jul 13

xross9 says...

Fair points 'loco' - I must admit, your thinking was at the back of my mind as well.

The Casterton results (to the end of August 2012) have confirmed that all of the Casterton School assets have been 'transferred' to Sedbergh School in this 'merger' - even though the 2013 results are not due until the end of August 2013.

I do wonder what the Charities Commission are doing in terms of policing 'rogue' enterprises.

With an 'aim' like Sedbergh School and no policing, it only takes 'the funny handshake group' a few years to get all of their members in similar positions in private schools to that of the Casterton 'previous' encumbant to achieve the 'aim' (watch out Windermere, Giggleswick, Stonyhurst etc)

As 'loco' says, where's the benefit to the pupils?

Hopefully, parents of potential students to Sedbergh School will be aware of 'the lack of real aims for their children' and choose accordingly.

Sedbergh School does need to now suffer pain (probably through a shortfall in income) to make it realise what is the motive for education.
Fair points 'loco' - I must admit, your thinking was at the back of my mind as well. The Casterton results (to the end of August 2012) have confirmed that all of the Casterton School assets have been 'transferred' to Sedbergh School in this 'merger' - even though the 2013 results are not due until the end of August 2013. I do wonder what the Charities Commission are doing in terms of policing 'rogue' enterprises. With an 'aim' like Sedbergh School and no policing, it only takes 'the funny handshake group' a few years to get all of their members in similar positions in private schools to that of the Casterton 'previous' encumbant to achieve the 'aim' (watch out Windermere, Giggleswick, Stonyhurst etc) As 'loco' says, where's the benefit to the pupils? Hopefully, parents of potential students to Sedbergh School will be aware of 'the lack of real aims for their children' and choose accordingly. Sedbergh School does need to now suffer pain (probably through a shortfall in income) to make it realise what is the motive for education. xross9
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9:50pm Mon 22 Jul 13

xross9 says...

Fair points 'loco' - I must admit, your thinking was at the back of my mind as well.

The Casterton results (to the end of August 2012) have confirmed that all of the Casterton School assets have been 'transferred' to Sedbergh School in this 'merger' - even though the 2013 results are not due until the end of August 2013.

I do wonder what the Charities Commission are doing in terms of policing 'rogue' enterprises.

With an 'aim' like Sedbergh School and no policing, it only takes 'the funny handshake group' a few years to get all of their members in similar positions in private schools to that of the Casterton 'previous' encumbant to achieve the 'aim' (watch out Windermere, Giggleswick, Stonyhurst etc)

As 'loco' says, where's the benefit to the pupils?

Hopefully, parents of potential students to Sedbergh School will be aware of 'the lack of real aims for their children' and choose accordingly.

Sedbergh School does need to now suffer pain (probably through a shortfall in income) to make it realise what is the motive for education.
Fair points 'loco' - I must admit, your thinking was at the back of my mind as well. The Casterton results (to the end of August 2012) have confirmed that all of the Casterton School assets have been 'transferred' to Sedbergh School in this 'merger' - even though the 2013 results are not due until the end of August 2013. I do wonder what the Charities Commission are doing in terms of policing 'rogue' enterprises. With an 'aim' like Sedbergh School and no policing, it only takes 'the funny handshake group' a few years to get all of their members in similar positions in private schools to that of the Casterton 'previous' encumbant to achieve the 'aim' (watch out Windermere, Giggleswick, Stonyhurst etc) As 'loco' says, where's the benefit to the pupils? Hopefully, parents of potential students to Sedbergh School will be aware of 'the lack of real aims for their children' and choose accordingly. Sedbergh School does need to now suffer pain (probably through a shortfall in income) to make it realise what is the motive for education. xross9
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11:33pm Thu 25 Jul 13

xross9 says...

'FUTURE PLANS
The School aims to maintain a high standard of academic results whilst offering an all-round education which
encourages the pupils' personal development and prepares them for life beyond school. It plans to sustain and
build on achievements to date through the merger with Sedbergh School on 11'" March 2013. In pursuit of the
primary object of the charity to provide an outstanding education for girls and boys, the Governors welcome the
opportunity to combine the assets of both charities to ensure that they continue to deliver a world class education
provision in both Senior and Junior schools in the North of England.'

This is a futuristic statement from the Casterton results to August 2012. This future plan is so specific that it knew on (no later than 31st August 2012) that Sedbergh School would receive the assets of Casterton School on 11th March 2013.

Also, the futuristic statement does not confirm how the Casterton School aims (above) will dovetail with the Sedbergh 'aim' i.e. to be the premier independent school for boys and girls in the North of England
'FUTURE PLANS The School aims to maintain a high standard of academic results whilst offering an all-round education which encourages the pupils' personal development and prepares them for life beyond school. It plans to sustain and build on achievements to date through the merger with Sedbergh School on 11'" March 2013. In pursuit of the primary object of the charity to provide an outstanding education for girls and boys, the Governors welcome the opportunity to combine the assets of both charities to ensure that they continue to deliver a world class education provision in both Senior and Junior schools in the North of England.' This is a futuristic statement from the Casterton results to August 2012. This future plan is so specific that it knew on (no later than 31st August 2012) that Sedbergh School would receive the assets of Casterton School on 11th March 2013. Also, the futuristic statement does not confirm how the Casterton School aims (above) will dovetail with the Sedbergh 'aim' i.e. to be the premier independent school for boys and girls in the North of England xross9
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9:03am Fri 26 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

xross9 wrote:
'FUTURE PLANS
The School aims to maintain a high standard of academic results whilst offering an all-round education which
encourages the pupils' personal development and prepares them for life beyond school. It plans to sustain and
build on achievements to date through the merger with Sedbergh School on 11'" March 2013. In pursuit of the
primary object of the charity to provide an outstanding education for girls and boys, the Governors welcome the
opportunity to combine the assets of both charities to ensure that they continue to deliver a world class education
provision in both Senior and Junior schools in the North of England.'

This is a futuristic statement from the Casterton results to August 2012. This future plan is so specific that it knew on (no later than 31st August 2012) that Sedbergh School would receive the assets of Casterton School on 11th March 2013.

Also, the futuristic statement does not confirm how the Casterton School aims (above) will dovetail with the Sedbergh 'aim' i.e. to be the premier independent school for boys and girls in the North of England
Dear xcross9.

Thank you for posting the FUTURE PLANS.

Whilst the futuristic statement does not confirm how the Casterton School aims will dovetail with the Sedbergh 'aim' the statement surely implies that in order to get Sedbergh's academic attainment and results up to the standard of Casterton the staff with the proven and long track record of excellent results would be taken on in the senior school? The excellence of the Casterton teaching is surely an asset that Sedbergh will need to help attain its aim of being the 'premier independent school for girls and boys in the North of England.'
It is a pity that Sedbergh appears not to have taken hold of this golden opportunity with both hands.
[quote][p][bold]xross9[/bold] wrote: 'FUTURE PLANS The School aims to maintain a high standard of academic results whilst offering an all-round education which encourages the pupils' personal development and prepares them for life beyond school. It plans to sustain and build on achievements to date through the merger with Sedbergh School on 11'" March 2013. In pursuit of the primary object of the charity to provide an outstanding education for girls and boys, the Governors welcome the opportunity to combine the assets of both charities to ensure that they continue to deliver a world class education provision in both Senior and Junior schools in the North of England.' This is a futuristic statement from the Casterton results to August 2012. This future plan is so specific that it knew on (no later than 31st August 2012) that Sedbergh School would receive the assets of Casterton School on 11th March 2013. Also, the futuristic statement does not confirm how the Casterton School aims (above) will dovetail with the Sedbergh 'aim' i.e. to be the premier independent school for boys and girls in the North of England[/p][/quote]Dear xcross9. Thank you for posting the FUTURE PLANS. Whilst the futuristic statement does not confirm how the Casterton School aims will dovetail with the Sedbergh 'aim' the statement surely implies that in order to get Sedbergh's academic attainment and results up to the standard of Casterton the staff with the proven and long track record of excellent results would be taken on in the senior school? The excellence of the Casterton teaching is surely an asset that Sedbergh will need to help attain its aim of being the 'premier independent school for girls and boys in the North of England.' It is a pity that Sedbergh appears not to have taken hold of this golden opportunity with both hands. in loco parentis
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10:37pm Fri 26 Jul 13

xross9 says...

Dear in loco parentis

This morning, following my last night post, the popularity of the 'End of an Era' article went from the 19th most read at 7.55a.m. to the 10th most read at 8.10 a.m. I went to work after that so it may have gone higher. What a swing!
Yet there is only you that has commented on this most sensitive subject. Now it is outside the top 20 again but most of the 'mickey mouse stories' that nobody reads in the Westmorland Gazette are still in there (between 1 and 20) and they will be for weeks and weeks and weeks.
At the end of the day, the W Gazette will look after its clients (the revenue customers) like Michael C L Hodgson and Sedbergh School
Dear in loco parentis This morning, following my last night post, the popularity of the 'End of an Era' article went from the 19th most read at 7.55a.m. to the 10th most read at 8.10 a.m. I went to work after that so it may have gone higher. What a swing! Yet there is only you that has commented on this most sensitive subject. Now it is outside the top 20 again but most of the 'mickey mouse stories' that nobody reads in the Westmorland Gazette are still in there (between 1 and 20) and they will be for weeks and weeks and weeks. At the end of the day, the W Gazette will look after its clients (the revenue customers) like Michael C L Hodgson and Sedbergh School xross9
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1:30pm Sat 27 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

Dear xcross9

If it is true that the Governors of Casterton school knew no later than 31st August 2012 that the two schools were going to merge then perhaps it would be good to know why Casterton Old Girls' Association was persuaded to go ahead with the purchase of a concert grand piano for Casterton by putting £16000 of the Old Girls' money towards the cost of a Yamaha grand piano in September 2012. If the aims of Casterton were clear that it would be taken over by Sedbergh along with all of the other assets in the school when the two schools merged then it was completely unacceptable to encourage this purchase at this time

It also means that had the Governors chosen another course preparations could have been made for a smooth transition for both schools and not the debacle which came about in February. Their intentions should have been made clear at the beginning of September, but then of course Casterton parents, staff and former pupils would have had time to rescue the school and there would still have been an all girls' school of high standing in Cumbria this coming academic year. As it is it has been a shambles
It is also interesting to note that the Head at Sedbergh, Mr Fleck, was quoted in an exclusive article at the beginning of May in the Westmorland Gazette about the financial state of a neighbouring school ( Casterton) So just why did it take from the 3rd of May to June 17 for the accounts to be presented to the Charity Commission?

It is unlikely that Mr Fleck would have had the authority to be so specific about the finances of another school if the accounts were only in draft form.
Dear xcross9 If it is true that the Governors of Casterton school knew no later than 31st August 2012 that the two schools were going to merge then perhaps it would be good to know why Casterton Old Girls' Association was persuaded to go ahead with the purchase of a concert grand piano for Casterton by putting £16000 of the Old Girls' money towards the cost of a Yamaha grand piano in September 2012. If the aims of Casterton were clear that it would be taken over by Sedbergh along with all of the other assets in the school when the two schools merged then it was completely unacceptable to encourage this purchase at this time It also means that had the Governors chosen another course preparations could have been made for a smooth transition for both schools and not the debacle which came about in February. Their intentions should have been made clear at the beginning of September, but then of course Casterton parents, staff and former pupils would have had time to rescue the school and there would still have been an all girls' school of high standing in Cumbria this coming academic year. As it is it has been a shambles It is also interesting to note that the Head at Sedbergh, Mr Fleck, was quoted in an exclusive article at the beginning of May in the Westmorland Gazette about the financial state of a neighbouring school ( Casterton) So just why did it take from the 3rd of May to June 17 for the accounts to be presented to the Charity Commission? It is unlikely that Mr Fleck would have had the authority to be so specific about the finances of another school if the accounts were only in draft form. in loco parentis
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2:06pm Sat 27 Jul 13

Soul agents says...

@locoinparentis. Can you shed any light on the rumour that the Old Girl responsible for the purchase and subsequent donation of the £16000 piano is Colin Tomlinson's wife?
@locoinparentis. Can you shed any light on the rumour that the Old Girl responsible for the purchase and subsequent donation of the £16000 piano is Colin Tomlinson's wife? Soul agents
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12:56am Sun 28 Jul 13

in loco parentis says...

Mrs Tomlinson was a long serving member of the music department and piano teacher at Casterton and would have been aware of the approaching dilemma facing the department with regard to either restoring the aging Steinway or investing in a replacement. Either option would of course incur a large capital expenditure. It appears from the OGA website that Mr Chapman, director of music, and Mr Fudge went in search of a new piano in June.
Mrs Tomlinson is also a long standing member of the Old Girls' committee and was naturally well placed to bring attention to the emerging need to replace the Steinway and would have been able to give encouragement to the committee to fund this project and give them information.

Now that the accounts for 2012 have been lodged with the Charity Commission it appears that the decision to merge with Sedbergh was taken sometime during the summer holidays of 2012, if not before. It certainly appears that the decision had been made by the end of August as stated in the Future Plans.

To the joy of the music department the new Yamaha grand was delivered to the school on 7th September and the Steinway taken in part exchange. The Old Girls' paid £16000 towards the cost of this new instrument and the department was exceedingly grateful to them. (OGA website)
Unfortunately the OGA committee did not know of the deal and decision which had been taken by the governors to merge with Sedbergh.

In the event the OGA has not gifted the piano to Casterton. The piano is part of the assets of the school and so it has become a very expensive and valuable 'gift' to Sedbergh. £16000 is a great deal of money to the Association and it can only be imagined how difficult this outcome has been for them and for the Casterton music department who only had the use of this wonderful piano for one academic year.
Mrs Tomlinson was a long serving member of the music department and piano teacher at Casterton and would have been aware of the approaching dilemma facing the department with regard to either restoring the aging Steinway or investing in a replacement. Either option would of course incur a large capital expenditure. It appears from the OGA website that Mr Chapman, director of music, and Mr Fudge went in search of a new piano in June. Mrs Tomlinson is also a long standing member of the Old Girls' committee and was naturally well placed to bring attention to the emerging need to replace the Steinway and would have been able to give encouragement to the committee to fund this project and give them information. Now that the accounts for 2012 have been lodged with the Charity Commission it appears that the decision to merge with Sedbergh was taken sometime during the summer holidays of 2012, if not before. It certainly appears that the decision had been made by the end of August as stated in the Future Plans. To the joy of the music department the new Yamaha grand was delivered to the school on 7th September and the Steinway taken in part exchange. The Old Girls' paid £16000 towards the cost of this new instrument and the department was exceedingly grateful to them. (OGA website) Unfortunately the OGA committee did not know of the deal and decision which had been taken by the governors to merge with Sedbergh. In the event the OGA has not gifted the piano to Casterton. The piano is part of the assets of the school and so it has become a very expensive and valuable 'gift' to Sedbergh. £16000 is a great deal of money to the Association and it can only be imagined how difficult this outcome has been for them and for the Casterton music department who only had the use of this wonderful piano for one academic year. in loco parentis
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12:29pm Mon 29 Jul 13

lookingon says...

I have seen how Sedbergh got rid of Casterton staff using unfair criteria for the posts pooled. Hoe can Mr Fleck possibly say the process was fair and transparent. He cannot have retained the 'best staff' as I know some super staff who did not get a look in to the jobs pool.
I have seen how Sedbergh got rid of Casterton staff using unfair criteria for the posts pooled. Hoe can Mr Fleck possibly say the process was fair and transparent. He cannot have retained the 'best staff' as I know some super staff who did not get a look in to the jobs pool. lookingon
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9:41pm Mon 29 Jul 13

xross9 says...

in loco parentis wrote:
Mrs Tomlinson was a long serving member of the music department and piano teacher at Casterton and would have been aware of the approaching dilemma facing the department with regard to either restoring the aging Steinway or investing in a replacement. Either option would of course incur a large capital expenditure. It appears from the OGA website that Mr Chapman, director of music, and Mr Fudge went in search of a new piano in June.
Mrs Tomlinson is also a long standing member of the Old Girls' committee and was naturally well placed to bring attention to the emerging need to replace the Steinway and would have been able to give encouragement to the committee to fund this project and give them information.

Now that the accounts for 2012 have been lodged with the Charity Commission it appears that the decision to merge with Sedbergh was taken sometime during the summer holidays of 2012, if not before. It certainly appears that the decision had been made by the end of August as stated in the Future Plans.

To the joy of the music department the new Yamaha grand was delivered to the school on 7th September and the Steinway taken in part exchange. The Old Girls' paid £16000 towards the cost of this new instrument and the department was exceedingly grateful to them. (OGA website)
Unfortunately the OGA committee did not know of the deal and decision which had been taken by the governors to merge with Sedbergh.

In the event the OGA has not gifted the piano to Casterton. The piano is part of the assets of the school and so it has become a very expensive and valuable 'gift' to Sedbergh. £16000 is a great deal of money to the Association and it can only be imagined how difficult this outcome has been for them and for the Casterton music department who only had the use of this wonderful piano for one academic year.
Well, that is an extremely well written 'angle' on this 'shameful' demise of a great school (referencing people who do not seem able to retaliate) - also, noticeably it does not appear to be a 'good enough story' to get in to the WG TOP 20 - amazing but shocking!
[quote][p][bold]in loco parentis[/bold] wrote: Mrs Tomlinson was a long serving member of the music department and piano teacher at Casterton and would have been aware of the approaching dilemma facing the department with regard to either restoring the aging Steinway or investing in a replacement. Either option would of course incur a large capital expenditure. It appears from the OGA website that Mr Chapman, director of music, and Mr Fudge went in search of a new piano in June. Mrs Tomlinson is also a long standing member of the Old Girls' committee and was naturally well placed to bring attention to the emerging need to replace the Steinway and would have been able to give encouragement to the committee to fund this project and give them information. Now that the accounts for 2012 have been lodged with the Charity Commission it appears that the decision to merge with Sedbergh was taken sometime during the summer holidays of 2012, if not before. It certainly appears that the decision had been made by the end of August as stated in the Future Plans. To the joy of the music department the new Yamaha grand was delivered to the school on 7th September and the Steinway taken in part exchange. The Old Girls' paid £16000 towards the cost of this new instrument and the department was exceedingly grateful to them. (OGA website) Unfortunately the OGA committee did not know of the deal and decision which had been taken by the governors to merge with Sedbergh. In the event the OGA has not gifted the piano to Casterton. The piano is part of the assets of the school and so it has become a very expensive and valuable 'gift' to Sedbergh. £16000 is a great deal of money to the Association and it can only be imagined how difficult this outcome has been for them and for the Casterton music department who only had the use of this wonderful piano for one academic year.[/p][/quote]Well, that is an extremely well written 'angle' on this 'shameful' demise of a great school (referencing people who do not seem able to retaliate) - also, noticeably it does not appear to be a 'good enough story' to get in to the WG TOP 20 - amazing but shocking! xross9
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10:56pm Mon 29 Jul 13

xross9 says...

So is Mrs Tomlinson the Sue Tomlinson on Michael C L Hodgson estate agents website cover page (practice manager) related to Colin Tomlinson also of Michael C L Hodgson estate agents, the former Chairman of the Governors at Casterton School?
if so - blimey!
So is Mrs Tomlinson the Sue Tomlinson on Michael C L Hodgson estate agents website cover page (practice manager) related to Colin Tomlinson also of Michael C L Hodgson estate agents, the former Chairman of the Governors at Casterton School? if so - blimey! xross9
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2:01pm Tue 30 Jul 13

zaney5 says...

xross9 wrote:
So is Mrs Tomlinson the Sue Tomlinson on Michael C L Hodgson estate agents website cover page (practice manager) related to Colin Tomlinson also of Michael C L Hodgson estate agents, the former Chairman of the Governors at Casterton School?
if so - blimey!
From the Michael C L Hodgson website:

"Sue, wife of Colin Tomlinson and Director, has been involved with Michael C L Hodgson for many years. Since moving to larger premises in April 2007 she has become Practice Manager, actively involved with all operational aspects of the Practice."

So yes.... blimey, indeed.
[quote][p][bold]xross9[/bold] wrote: So is Mrs Tomlinson the Sue Tomlinson on Michael C L Hodgson estate agents website cover page (practice manager) related to Colin Tomlinson also of Michael C L Hodgson estate agents, the former Chairman of the Governors at Casterton School? if so - blimey![/p][/quote]From the Michael C L Hodgson website: "Sue, wife of Colin Tomlinson and Director, has been involved with Michael C L Hodgson for many years. Since moving to larger premises in April 2007 she has become Practice Manager, actively involved with all operational aspects of the Practice." So yes.... blimey, indeed. zaney5
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10:11pm Fri 2 Aug 13

xross9 says...

Thanks Zaney 5

Well I noticed that this story did get to no. 6 on tues. 30th July a.m. and in the afternoon (at just before your posting) was 13th, so in my view that was a good result for a 'dead' story.

I am sure that there are a lot of people in South Lakeland and throughout other areas in the world who cannot comprehend how this 'family' can continue to operate in Kendal and surrounding area without challenge.

In terms of the law - I'm sure that there are people working on a remedy for any legal wrongs that may have been committed during the 'sale' of Casterton School
Thanks Zaney 5 Well I noticed that this story did get to no. 6 on tues. 30th July a.m. and in the afternoon (at just before your posting) was 13th, so in my view that was a good result for a 'dead' story. I am sure that there are a lot of people in South Lakeland and throughout other areas in the world who cannot comprehend how this 'family' can continue to operate in Kendal and surrounding area without challenge. In terms of the law - I'm sure that there are people working on a remedy for any legal wrongs that may have been committed during the 'sale' of Casterton School xross9
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10:30pm Fri 2 Aug 13

xross9 says...

xross9 wrote:
Thanks Zaney 5

Well I noticed that this story did get to no. 6 on tues. 30th July a.m. and in the afternoon (at just before your posting) was 13th, so in my view that was a good result for a 'dead' story.

I am sure that there are a lot of people in South Lakeland and throughout other areas in the world who cannot comprehend how this 'family' can continue to operate in Kendal and surrounding area without challenge.

In terms of the law - I'm sure that there are people working on a remedy for any legal wrongs that may have been committed during the 'sale' of Casterton School
'for a quid' allegedly
[quote][p][bold]xross9[/bold] wrote: Thanks Zaney 5 Well I noticed that this story did get to no. 6 on tues. 30th July a.m. and in the afternoon (at just before your posting) was 13th, so in my view that was a good result for a 'dead' story. I am sure that there are a lot of people in South Lakeland and throughout other areas in the world who cannot comprehend how this 'family' can continue to operate in Kendal and surrounding area without challenge. In terms of the law - I'm sure that there are people working on a remedy for any legal wrongs that may have been committed during the 'sale' of Casterton School[/p][/quote]'for a quid' allegedly xross9
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6:30pm Mon 5 Aug 13

oghels says...

That is a good point about the piano. The OGA should be asking questions...The money they raise was for CAsterton not Sedbergh..
That is a good point about the piano. The OGA should be asking questions...The money they raise was for CAsterton not Sedbergh.. oghels
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11:51pm Tue 6 Aug 13

xross9 says...

estateagentlookingfo
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wrote:
PropMeUpWithTeabags wrote:
Sorry I didn't mean to spark an argument, it was just my opinion. It seems though that the opinions of us laymen are not valid. In fact the people who seem so against this merger come across as very narrow minded individuals. At least I tried to understand and get some clarity and then come to a conclusion not police people because I don't agree with them. I'm still confused and still fail to understand the importance of this wonderful school that if so wonderful would still be a profitable establishment.
You are right to ask why such a wonderful school could not be more profitable. It is a question that parents and staff have been asking for sometime.
The Headteacher, Mrs. Lucas, stood in front of a packed speech day last Saturday and gave a list (that lasted some considerable time) on the strenghts and great achievements of the school in the past 12 months. And yet the crowd were left open mouthed as to our predicament. WHY??

Over the past five years the staff have written to the Headteacher and the Governors with suggestions, comments, ideas, requests for a detailed development plan etc.. Mr Tomlinson (Chair of Governors) and the leadership all refused to reply to any letter/email.


Why was Mrs. Lucas sent to China to atttract girls to Casterton but did not speak to the parents of Casterton Y6 girls, who could have proceeded to the senior school but who then left to attend other Secondary schools?

Why did Tomlinson announce at last years speech day that Casterton was a great school with huge achievements? (see above posts for more)

Mr. Tomlinson (an estate agent) has been asked if he or his partners directly or indirectly profited from the sale of previously owned Sedbergh sites or will profit from the sale of any of Casterton. NO-ONE will answer.


Why did Tomlinson sell £7m of assests plus the resources that could be worth another 1m, for only £1???

Why did he sell it to a school with £5m of debt? Did existing and long term frienships sway him?

When Mr. Tomlinson announced to staff his great idea of a sell-off (which he called a merge) he refused to answer any questions to the staff that suffered as a result of his decision and still does.

Why has the merge taken place when one school prides itself on acadmeic excellence and the other openly scoffs at it. Surely a better partner would have been more ameniable??

PropMeUpWithTeaBags, you raise some important questions but the only answers that staff and parents have are more questions. The people with the answers refuse to answer and hopefully you will also see why it has become frustrating, painful and heartbreaking for the few that it affects.

If you ever see Tomlinson, tell him we were looking for him
Brilliant assessment of the situation i.m.h.o. - anyone have any answers to any of the questions raised yet?
[quote][p][bold]estateagentlookingfo rbusiness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PropMeUpWithTeabags[/bold] wrote: Sorry I didn't mean to spark an argument, it was just my opinion. It seems though that the opinions of us laymen are not valid. In fact the people who seem so against this merger come across as very narrow minded individuals. At least I tried to understand and get some clarity and then come to a conclusion not police people because I don't agree with them. I'm still confused and still fail to understand the importance of this wonderful school that if so wonderful would still be a profitable establishment.[/p][/quote]You are right to ask why such a wonderful school could not be more profitable. It is a question that parents and staff have been asking for sometime. The Headteacher, Mrs. Lucas, stood in front of a packed speech day last Saturday and gave a list (that lasted some considerable time) on the strenghts and great achievements of the school in the past 12 months. And yet the crowd were left open mouthed as to our predicament. WHY?? Over the past five years the staff have written to the Headteacher and the Governors with suggestions, comments, ideas, requests for a detailed development plan etc.. Mr Tomlinson (Chair of Governors) and the leadership all refused to reply to any letter/email. Why was Mrs. Lucas sent to China to atttract girls to Casterton but did not speak to the parents of Casterton Y6 girls, who could have proceeded to the senior school but who then left to attend other Secondary schools? Why did Tomlinson announce at last years speech day that Casterton was a great school with huge achievements? (see above posts for more) Mr. Tomlinson (an estate agent) has been asked if he or his partners directly or indirectly profited from the sale of previously owned Sedbergh sites or will profit from the sale of any of Casterton. NO-ONE will answer. Why did Tomlinson sell £7m of assests plus the resources that could be worth another 1m, for only £1??? Why did he sell it to a school with £5m of debt? Did existing and long term frienships sway him? When Mr. Tomlinson announced to staff his great idea of a sell-off (which he called a merge) he refused to answer any questions to the staff that suffered as a result of his decision and still does. Why has the merge taken place when one school prides itself on acadmeic excellence and the other openly scoffs at it. Surely a better partner would have been more ameniable?? PropMeUpWithTeaBags, you raise some important questions but the only answers that staff and parents have are more questions. The people with the answers refuse to answer and hopefully you will also see why it has become frustrating, painful and heartbreaking for the few that it affects. If you ever see Tomlinson, tell him we were looking for him[/p][/quote]Brilliant assessment of the situation i.m.h.o. - anyone have any answers to any of the questions raised yet? xross9
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8:09am Fri 9 Aug 13

in loco parentis says...

In addition to Prop me up with teabag's excellent assessment perhaps there might be an added comment about just why the governors of Casterton thought it would be in the 'best interests' of their school to 'merge' with another which is considerably lower in the league tables as can be seen by the excellent and consistent placing of Casterton and the rather more 'modest'l placing of Sedbergh.

As the dates for this year's GCSE and A level results approach within the next fortnight one can only hope that this debacle has not adversely affected the hopes and aspirations of the girls who sat their public exams this summer and indeed next year's cohort too.

Although the Casterton website appears to have the logo of Sedbergh already, the results of this year's summer exams do not belong to Sedbergh but to the excellent teaching and effort made by the girls and staff at Casterton. Let us hope that all went well for them.
In addition to Prop me up with teabag's excellent assessment perhaps there might be an added comment about just why the governors of Casterton thought it would be in the 'best interests' of their school to 'merge' with another which is considerably lower in the league tables as can be seen by the excellent and consistent placing of Casterton and the rather more 'modest'l placing of Sedbergh. As the dates for this year's GCSE and A level results approach within the next fortnight one can only hope that this debacle has not adversely affected the hopes and aspirations of the girls who sat their public exams this summer and indeed next year's cohort too. Although the Casterton website appears to have the logo of Sedbergh already, the results of this year's summer exams do not belong to Sedbergh but to the excellent teaching and effort made by the girls and staff at Casterton. Let us hope that all went well for them. in loco parentis
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