Bring historic lido back into use, say Grange folk

A MAJORITY of Grange-over-Sands residents are in favour of restoring the town’s historic lido.

In a survey ahead of a Heritage Lottery application, more than 90 per cent people said they wanted to see the listed site given a new lease of life - with 73 per cent favouring recreating it as a lido.

The survey, run by South Lakeland District Council and Grange Town Council, asked people what they would like to happen on the site.

Of the 953 respondents, 73 per cent said ‘a lido’. Other popular suggestions included an on-site café (66 per cent ); an open-air performance venue (62 per cent ); a winter ice rink (62 per cent); and a heritage visitors’ centre (47 per cent).

Now residents can see more details of the proposals at a public exhibition at the nearby Victoria Hall, which will include key findings of the public consultation and the opportunity to vote on different scheme options.

SLDC and Grange Town Council are working closely with Neo Now and Partners on the project, expected to cost around £5m, and aim to submit a Stage 1 application for Heritage Lottery Funding by January next year.

Graham Vincent, SLDC’s portfolio holder for health and wellbeing, said: “This is a hugely important project. Bringing the lido back into public use will support our aims of increasing leisure participation in the whole district and improving the health and wellbeing of all our communities.”

Town and district councillor Tom Harvey said: “The early consultation has produced some fantastic results and ideas from all sectors of the community and we are now at the stage of boiling down those ideas to ones that are sustainable and achievable with the constraints of a Heritage Lottery Fund bid."

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4:54pm Tue 1 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

anyone who thinks that the lido will ever be viable as a lido again is living in cloud cuckoo land.these ideas were tried with the sports centre and failed.the biggest problem with the lido is accessability and parking.the second problem is the ever ageing population of grange who are not suited to this form of activity.at the moment grange has nothing but a smelly duck pond with hardly any ducks,2 public houses,about 8 tea room cafes,a co-op and a spar.on the prom at half way is a childrens play area with no toilets or anywhere to get refreshments except at the end of the prom .the majority of shops close on sundays and bank holidays and often visitors remark they cant see anything to do here.i don't want to sound negative as we live in grange and really like it here but to think of even more money being wasted seems stupid.who is going to pay this neo now outfit and will a money back guarantee be given as to the commercial success of the venture if the bid is successful.one way to see if the people of grange want this development to go ahead is to start a fund with people buying shares and donating monies and time rather than use money that could be used to provide more affordable housing in grange,more parking,a one way system through the town to name a few,we have to think forward to attract business to the town otherwise the town will die.
anyone who thinks that the lido will ever be viable as a lido again is living in cloud cuckoo land.these ideas were tried with the sports centre and failed.the biggest problem with the lido is accessability and parking.the second problem is the ever ageing population of grange who are not suited to this form of activity.at the moment grange has nothing but a smelly duck pond with hardly any ducks,2 public houses,about 8 tea room cafes,a co-op and a spar.on the prom at half way is a childrens play area with no toilets or anywhere to get refreshments except at the end of the prom .the majority of shops close on sundays and bank holidays and often visitors remark they cant see anything to do here.i don't want to sound negative as we live in grange and really like it here but to think of even more money being wasted seems stupid.who is going to pay this neo now outfit and will a money back guarantee be given as to the commercial success of the venture if the bid is successful.one way to see if the people of grange want this development to go ahead is to start a fund with people buying shares and donating monies and time rather than use money that could be used to provide more affordable housing in grange,more parking,a one way system through the town to name a few,we have to think forward to attract business to the town otherwise the town will die. shirtbox2003
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7:43am Wed 2 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

Have to agree with most of the above from Shirtbox, but the majority of local people want to retain the Lido, Perhaps retain the building fabric but make it multi use ,meeting place for groups outdoor theatre ,aquarium ,restaurant???? Parking is a problem for older people ,why not a minature road train running from the station to the Lido and calling at points around Grange,it seems to work in other tourist towns.One idea I would like to see happen is to dredge part of the silted area around the Lido and restore the Clare house pier ,to give sea access and a sense of being connected to the sea.Or am I asking too much of Grange folk we are not all old, with blinkered views.
Have to agree with most of the above from Shirtbox, but the majority of local people want to retain the Lido, Perhaps retain the building fabric but make it multi use ,meeting place for groups outdoor theatre ,aquarium ,restaurant???? Parking is a problem for older people ,why not a minature road train running from the station to the Lido and calling at points around Grange,it seems to work in other tourist towns.One idea I would like to see happen is to dredge part of the silted area around the Lido and restore the Clare house pier ,to give sea access and a sense of being connected to the sea.Or am I asking too much of Grange folk we are not all old, with blinkered views. hogheaven
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3:25pm Thu 3 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

I think my comment got lost! I will try again tomorrow.
I think my comment got lost! I will try again tomorrow. Do something don't moan
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7:20pm Thu 3 Oct 13

jazzactivist says...

Mine was lost too, Do Something, so here it is again!

It seems to me, Shirtbox, that it is easy to say "done that, didn't work", but time moves on and people's needs change. So there' no harm at all in giving an old idea another throw. I have heard some of elderly people in Grange moaning about when they were 'forced' to swim in the cold Lido as children, how there's no car park next to it, how it will be expensive to get in etc etc. Nowadays though there are very few public resources of the sort enjoyed when people 'never had it so good'. There is also a strong interest now in the value of historic buildings and decent inventions from the past. So the refurbishment of the Lido will mean that part of Grange's history is reintroduced and there will be somewhere safe to swim on Morecambe Bay.

I am heartened that there was such an overwhelming response in favour of it. The Lido building can be used for all the suggestions put forward, and more. We now have the technology to overcome some of the problems of the past, and changes in social culture that will enable us to use the Lido more effectively. It can be solar heated, and most people will be very happy to take a healthy stroll / walk / run / cycle to the Lido. It doesn't even need to operate as a swimming Lido all year round. It could just be filled with water for the main summer months, and that restriction alone should bring not only residents of the South Lakes but tourists to queue up to use it. What wouldn't we have given to have been able to go down there for a dip this summer!
Mine was lost too, Do Something, so here it is again! It seems to me, Shirtbox, that it is easy to say "done that, didn't work", but time moves on and people's needs change. So there' no harm at all in giving an old idea another throw. I have heard some of elderly people in Grange moaning about when they were 'forced' to swim in the cold Lido as children, how there's no car park next to it, how it will be expensive to get in etc etc. Nowadays though there are very few public resources of the sort enjoyed when people 'never had it so good'. There is also a strong interest now in the value of historic buildings and decent inventions from the past. So the refurbishment of the Lido will mean that part of Grange's history is reintroduced and there will be somewhere safe to swim on Morecambe Bay. I am heartened that there was such an overwhelming response in favour of it. The Lido building can be used for all the suggestions put forward, and more. We now have the technology to overcome some of the problems of the past, and changes in social culture that will enable us to use the Lido more effectively. It can be solar heated, and most people will be very happy to take a healthy stroll / walk / run / cycle to the Lido. It doesn't even need to operate as a swimming Lido all year round. It could just be filled with water for the main summer months, and that restriction alone should bring not only residents of the South Lakes but tourists to queue up to use it. What wouldn't we have given to have been able to go down there for a dip this summer! jazzactivist
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8:45pm Thu 3 Oct 13

lakesailor says...

Heard you the first time.
Heard you the first time. lakesailor
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10:01pm Thu 3 Oct 13

jazzactivist says...

My goodness, well it certainly reappeared more times than I even posed it! Can't see a button to delete either lol!
My goodness, well it certainly reappeared more times than I even posed it! Can't see a button to delete either lol! jazzactivist
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12:51pm Fri 4 Oct 13

Rainyjoe says...

I thought the questionnaire was very biased towards the Lido idea. Didn't give the people replying much idea as to what else might happen there. The Lido is owned by SLDC and since part of it is now Grade 2 Listed it can't simply be pulled down ( which I think is most people's preferred option)

It's very well having fond memories of the past but do you really think people will go for a swim in February? Don't forget the indoor pool failed because few people used it. I know the Lido has a lot of facebook fans some of whom don't even live in this country - I guess they completed the online form and said they wanted it saved. Little help to the people of Grange who will be left with just another white elephant.
I thought the questionnaire was very biased towards the Lido idea. Didn't give the people replying much idea as to what else might happen there. The Lido is owned by SLDC and since part of it is now Grade 2 Listed it can't simply be pulled down ( which I think is most people's preferred option) It's very well having fond memories of the past but do you really think people will go for a swim in February? Don't forget the indoor pool failed because few people used it. I know the Lido has a lot of facebook fans some of whom don't even live in this country - I guess they completed the online form and said they wanted it saved. Little help to the people of Grange who will be left with just another white elephant. Rainyjoe
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5:37pm Fri 4 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

as I said in my post.if the people who voted to save the lido,and this was only 73% of the total of 953 who responded then this does not reflect the majority of people living in grange. in my opinion any money spent on this lido will be wasted as it cannot be a viable proposition and grange council cannot and should not support it,the location is also a factor since british rail in its wisdom took down the bridge link and now since housing looks likely on the berners site no parking nearby.if as I suggested the supporters where to put some of their own money in then o.k. but I doubt they will.the next questionnaire should be about would locals support it financially themselves.so I think nothing will happen and neo now will be the only ones to benefit.
as I said in my post.if the people who voted to save the lido,and this was only 73% of the total of 953 who responded then this does not reflect the majority of people living in grange. in my opinion any money spent on this lido will be wasted as it cannot be a viable proposition and grange council cannot and should not support it,the location is also a factor since british rail in its wisdom took down the bridge link and now since housing looks likely on the berners site no parking nearby.if as I suggested the supporters where to put some of their own money in then o.k. but I doubt they will.the next questionnaire should be about would locals support it financially themselves.so I think nothing will happen and neo now will be the only ones to benefit. shirtbox2003
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2:11pm Sat 5 Oct 13

Keeping_it_real says...

The Majority of Grange residents, who i'm guessing are the ones who voted, will probably have passed away by the time this reaches fruition.

Just saying.
The Majority of Grange residents, who i'm guessing are the ones who voted, will probably have passed away by the time this reaches fruition. Just saying. Keeping_it_real
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4:26pm Sat 5 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

At least they made an effort to vote before they did!!
At least they made an effort to vote before they did!! hogheaven
  • Score: 6

5:41pm Sat 5 Oct 13

jazzactivist says...

I voted for it, and don't know anyone who didn't. Reopening the Lido and using the space for all sorts of events, not just swimming all year round, will bring more people of all ages into Grange. Surely that can only be a good thing? I think you're all being a bit killjoy about the idea. Just because you don't want to use the Lido doesn't mean that the majority of people in Grange don't either. If public money generated by the Lottery isn't spent on public facilities that directly improve the lives of people then what should it be spent on? No point on saving it all for a rainy day or throwing it into the black hole of the 'Deficit' - now is that rainy day! I'm looking forward to going to the public exhibition about the Lido next week.
I voted for it, and don't know anyone who didn't. Reopening the Lido and using the space for all sorts of events, not just swimming all year round, will bring more people of all ages into Grange. Surely that can only be a good thing? I think you're all being a bit killjoy about the idea. Just because you don't want to use the Lido doesn't mean that the majority of people in Grange don't either. If public money generated by the Lottery isn't spent on public facilities that directly improve the lives of people then what should it be spent on? No point on saving it all for a rainy day or throwing it into the black hole of the 'Deficit' - now is that rainy day! I'm looking forward to going to the public exhibition about the Lido next week. jazzactivist
  • Score: 5

6:16pm Sat 5 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

jazzactivist wrote:
I voted for it, and don't know anyone who didn't. Reopening the Lido and using the space for all sorts of events, not just swimming all year round, will bring more people of all ages into Grange. Surely that can only be a good thing? I think you're all being a bit killjoy about the idea. Just because you don't want to use the Lido doesn't mean that the majority of people in Grange don't either. If public money generated by the Lottery isn't spent on public facilities that directly improve the lives of people then what should it be spent on? No point on saving it all for a rainy day or throwing it into the black hole of the 'Deficit' - now is that rainy day! I'm looking forward to going to the public exhibition about the Lido next week.
Hear Hear well said.
[quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: I voted for it, and don't know anyone who didn't. Reopening the Lido and using the space for all sorts of events, not just swimming all year round, will bring more people of all ages into Grange. Surely that can only be a good thing? I think you're all being a bit killjoy about the idea. Just because you don't want to use the Lido doesn't mean that the majority of people in Grange don't either. If public money generated by the Lottery isn't spent on public facilities that directly improve the lives of people then what should it be spent on? No point on saving it all for a rainy day or throwing it into the black hole of the 'Deficit' - now is that rainy day! I'm looking forward to going to the public exhibition about the Lido next week.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear well said. hogheaven
  • Score: -1

7:53pm Sat 5 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

Sorry my follow up is later than I intended. I have read the existing comments.
I agree it would be nice to improve access to the water but regrettably, nature and the river refuse to cooperate. SLDC tried some years ago at some expense to plough up and remove the grass; this failed. The river channel moves from one side of the estuary to the other very rapidly these days which makes it difficult to predict how long it will take to walk to the water from the Prom and how fast it will be necessary to sprint back to avoid drowning when the tide turns.
It has been admitted the Pool building was not very well built and this combined with little or no substantive maintenance since, I guess, the early 1980’s is likely to mean the cost of refurbishment will be substantial. Does anybody know what the estimated costs of implementing the various options will be?
The HLF will only fund projects if it is demonstrated they will eventually become self-financing.
The “new” indoor pool, which is being demolished, failed to become self-financing. What chance is there an outdoor pool will achieve this objective?
Converting it to a multi-purpose venue, which would be fabulous, it likely to cost even more!
I do not want to be a kill-joy but we should be realistic. SLDC would not support the renovation/repair of the “new” pool. Will they or Neo Now guarantee to underwrite any shortfall between income and costs? If not are the current and future residents of Grange willing to take on this challenge? Could they be persuaded to pay more community charge or promise to leave the town something in their will?
The closure of the Serpentine Lido in Hyde Park suggests running an open-air unheated pool in Grange will not be an easy task. Are there any volunteers out there prepared to have a go? If there are, I suggest you negotiate a good redundancy package before you start!
If there were any money available from the sale of land at Berners perhaps, it would be better spent restoring the Prom and Ornamental Gardens. To pursue a HLF grant could fritter away valuable funds which might benefit others and not the residents of and visitors to the Town.
I hope you will all visit the exhibition but please ask some questions. Not least why there were three different version of the questionnaire printed and made available!
Sorry my follow up is later than I intended. I have read the existing comments. I agree it would be nice to improve access to the water but regrettably, nature and the river refuse to cooperate. SLDC tried some years ago at some expense to plough up and remove the grass; this failed. The river channel moves from one side of the estuary to the other very rapidly these days which makes it difficult to predict how long it will take to walk to the water from the Prom and how fast it will be necessary to sprint back to avoid drowning when the tide turns. It has been admitted the Pool building was not very well built and this combined with little or no substantive maintenance since, I guess, the early 1980’s is likely to mean the cost of refurbishment will be substantial. Does anybody know what the estimated costs of implementing the various options will be? The HLF will only fund projects if it is demonstrated they will eventually become self-financing. The “new” indoor pool, which is being demolished, failed to become self-financing. What chance is there an outdoor pool will achieve this objective? Converting it to a multi-purpose venue, which would be fabulous, it likely to cost even more! I do not want to be a kill-joy but we should be realistic. SLDC would not support the renovation/repair of the “new” pool. Will they or Neo Now guarantee to underwrite any shortfall between income and costs? If not are the current and future residents of Grange willing to take on this challenge? Could they be persuaded to pay more community charge or promise to leave the town something in their will? The closure of the Serpentine Lido in Hyde Park suggests running an open-air unheated pool in Grange will not be an easy task. Are there any volunteers out there prepared to have a go? If there are, I suggest you negotiate a good redundancy package before you start! If there were any money available from the sale of land at Berners perhaps, it would be better spent restoring the Prom and Ornamental Gardens. To pursue a HLF grant could fritter away valuable funds which might benefit others and not the residents of and visitors to the Town. I hope you will all visit the exhibition but please ask some questions. Not least why there were three different version of the questionnaire printed and made available! Do something don't moan
  • Score: 4

9:30pm Sat 5 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

Do something don't moan wrote:
Sorry my follow up is later than I intended. I have read the existing comments.
I agree it would be nice to improve access to the water but regrettably, nature and the river refuse to cooperate. SLDC tried some years ago at some expense to plough up and remove the grass; this failed. The river channel moves from one side of the estuary to the other very rapidly these days which makes it difficult to predict how long it will take to walk to the water from the Prom and how fast it will be necessary to sprint back to avoid drowning when the tide turns.
It has been admitted the Pool building was not very well built and this combined with little or no substantive maintenance since, I guess, the early 1980’s is likely to mean the cost of refurbishment will be substantial. Does anybody know what the estimated costs of implementing the various options will be?
The HLF will only fund projects if it is demonstrated they will eventually become self-financing.
The “new” indoor pool, which is being demolished, failed to become self-financing. What chance is there an outdoor pool will achieve this objective?
Converting it to a multi-purpose venue, which would be fabulous, it likely to cost even more!
I do not want to be a kill-joy but we should be realistic. SLDC would not support the renovation/repair of the “new” pool. Will they or Neo Now guarantee to underwrite any shortfall between income and costs? If not are the current and future residents of Grange willing to take on this challenge? Could they be persuaded to pay more community charge or promise to leave the town something in their will?
The closure of the Serpentine Lido in Hyde Park suggests running an open-air unheated pool in Grange will not be an easy task. Are there any volunteers out there prepared to have a go? If there are, I suggest you negotiate a good redundancy package before you start!
If there were any money available from the sale of land at Berners perhaps, it would be better spent restoring the Prom and Ornamental Gardens. To pursue a HLF grant could fritter away valuable funds which might benefit others and not the residents of and visitors to the Town.
I hope you will all visit the exhibition but please ask some questions. Not least why there were three different version of the questionnaire printed and made available!
You make some good points but if you look at the bigger picture, I think something can be achieved .For instance if a barrage/dam were to be built between Heysham and Barrow, we would have a permanent lake not subject the lethal tides, a road and rail link ,and water turbines to produce electricity which would save millions and provide employment for a good number of years to come. We have the means and ability to construct this NOW,The Lido could be become a focal point and a center for boating and water based activities,giving our youth more to look forward , Anything is possible.
[quote][p][bold]Do something don't moan[/bold] wrote: Sorry my follow up is later than I intended. I have read the existing comments. I agree it would be nice to improve access to the water but regrettably, nature and the river refuse to cooperate. SLDC tried some years ago at some expense to plough up and remove the grass; this failed. The river channel moves from one side of the estuary to the other very rapidly these days which makes it difficult to predict how long it will take to walk to the water from the Prom and how fast it will be necessary to sprint back to avoid drowning when the tide turns. It has been admitted the Pool building was not very well built and this combined with little or no substantive maintenance since, I guess, the early 1980’s is likely to mean the cost of refurbishment will be substantial. Does anybody know what the estimated costs of implementing the various options will be? The HLF will only fund projects if it is demonstrated they will eventually become self-financing. The “new” indoor pool, which is being demolished, failed to become self-financing. What chance is there an outdoor pool will achieve this objective? Converting it to a multi-purpose venue, which would be fabulous, it likely to cost even more! I do not want to be a kill-joy but we should be realistic. SLDC would not support the renovation/repair of the “new” pool. Will they or Neo Now guarantee to underwrite any shortfall between income and costs? If not are the current and future residents of Grange willing to take on this challenge? Could they be persuaded to pay more community charge or promise to leave the town something in their will? The closure of the Serpentine Lido in Hyde Park suggests running an open-air unheated pool in Grange will not be an easy task. Are there any volunteers out there prepared to have a go? If there are, I suggest you negotiate a good redundancy package before you start! If there were any money available from the sale of land at Berners perhaps, it would be better spent restoring the Prom and Ornamental Gardens. To pursue a HLF grant could fritter away valuable funds which might benefit others and not the residents of and visitors to the Town. I hope you will all visit the exhibition but please ask some questions. Not least why there were three different version of the questionnaire printed and made available![/p][/quote]You make some good points but if you look at the bigger picture, I think something can be achieved .For instance if a barrage/dam were to be built between Heysham and Barrow, we would have a permanent lake not subject the lethal tides, a road and rail link ,and water turbines to produce electricity which would save millions and provide employment for a good number of years to come. We have the means and ability to construct this NOW,The Lido could be become a focal point and a center for boating and water based activities,giving our youth more to look forward , Anything is possible. hogheaven
  • Score: -1

12:01am Sun 6 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

the main thing to consider is,who is paying for the questionaires,neo now fees, public consultations and so on for something that is dead in the ground, and before long so will grange be unless some drastic measures are taken soon.even the british legion club has now closed and up for sale by auction.i am sorry but the lido should be financed by private and not public funds or it will be granges folly.
the main thing to consider is,who is paying for the questionaires,neo now fees, public consultations and so on for something that is dead in the ground, and before long so will grange be unless some drastic measures are taken soon.even the british legion club has now closed and up for sale by auction.i am sorry but the lido should be financed by private and not public funds or it will be granges folly. shirtbox2003
  • Score: 3

6:37pm Sun 6 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

Setting aside the damage a barrage would do to the ecology and environment of the Bay and surrounding area how long would it be before the "benefits" of it would start to accrue?

I think you will find SLDC have been covering the costs to date.

How about inviting Russell Armer to invest in the pool? The last effort by a consortium in the town did not get very far!
Setting aside the damage a barrage would do to the ecology and environment of the Bay and surrounding area how long would it be before the "benefits" of it would start to accrue? I think you will find SLDC have been covering the costs to date. How about inviting Russell Armer to invest in the pool? The last effort by a consortium in the town did not get very far! Do something don't moan
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6:53pm Sun 6 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

Do something don't moan wrote:
Setting aside the damage a barrage would do to the ecology and environment of the Bay and surrounding area how long would it be before the "benefits" of it would start to accrue?

I think you will find SLDC have been covering the costs to date.

How about inviting Russell Armer to invest in the pool? The last effort by a consortium in the town did not get very far!
What damage ?anything that would cover up the mud (sorry sand) and eliminate quicksands, has got to be better, unless of course we might be destroying the habitat of the three legged short tailed spotted toad. The lido has been closed for years so time to move on, the sooner something is decided the quicker it will be completed.We need funding from government level for this ,look at the benefits and the jobs it would create, look at the big picture..Dredging some of the bay would reinstate it to how it was ,not as it is,I know what I would prefer to look at from my window.Finally think about the effect on the reduction of traffic on the A590 and savings in fuel ,manhours and pollution.
[quote][p][bold]Do something don't moan[/bold] wrote: Setting aside the damage a barrage would do to the ecology and environment of the Bay and surrounding area how long would it be before the "benefits" of it would start to accrue? I think you will find SLDC have been covering the costs to date. How about inviting Russell Armer to invest in the pool? The last effort by a consortium in the town did not get very far![/p][/quote]What damage ?anything that would cover up the mud (sorry sand) and eliminate quicksands, has got to be better, unless of course we might be destroying the habitat of the three legged short tailed spotted toad. The lido has been closed for years so time to move on, the sooner something is decided the quicker it will be completed.We need funding from government level for this ,look at the benefits and the jobs it would create, look at the big picture..Dredging some of the bay would reinstate it to how it was ,not as it is,I know what I would prefer to look at from my window.Finally think about the effect on the reduction of traffic on the A590 and savings in fuel ,manhours and pollution. hogheaven
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12:09pm Mon 7 Oct 13

jazzactivist says...

Usually, when an application is made for large scale funding a consortium of different organisations eg SLDC, GTC etc pay a specialist company, in this case Neo Now, to carry out the survey and write the draft funding application for Stage 1. Following that, most of the payment for Neo Now would be based on a percentage of funding received. I think it's a real shame that we have to hire a private company to do this work, just because the application process is so complex, but volunteers just don't have the time to do it all.

Time does move on, and creating a multipurpose heritage venue with heated pool isn't so difficult to achieve now as it was even ten years ago. Everyone now is also much more used to partnership working, so it is very possible for the Lido complex to be run by a mix of business, public and private partners who would all benefit. So long as the main focus is a manageable venue that is a public resource and no one gets too greedy.
Usually, when an application is made for large scale funding a consortium of different organisations eg SLDC, GTC etc pay a specialist company, in this case Neo Now, to carry out the survey and write the draft funding application for Stage 1. Following that, most of the payment for Neo Now would be based on a percentage of funding received. I think it's a real shame that we have to hire a private company to do this work, just because the application process is so complex, but volunteers just don't have the time to do it all. Time does move on, and creating a multipurpose heritage venue with heated pool isn't so difficult to achieve now as it was even ten years ago. Everyone now is also much more used to partnership working, so it is very possible for the Lido complex to be run by a mix of business, public and private partners who would all benefit. So long as the main focus is a manageable venue that is a public resource and no one gets too greedy. jazzactivist
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2:07pm Mon 7 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

again the thing to note is accessability,which will be even more limited when the housing development at berners site is completed.why did british rail demolish the bridge link? back to the survey completed by 953 people out of a total of over 4000 residents and supported by 73% of them does not look like overwhelming interest in the project when 75% of the population of grange didn't even bother to fill in the survey forms shows a massive amount of residents not interested in the lido.i also fail to see that neo now will work for nothing if the bid fails as it surely will.the lido site should be incorporated into the new housing development at berners by retaining the façade.whoever applied for listed building status could then put money into the project.as for a barrier,well this should have been built years ago,but if it was used to generate power then it could not be used for boating etc as the water level would need to rise and fall with the tides so still making it of no use to a lido.however there are some strong views held by some influential people in grange who seem hell bent on spending money which does not belong to them.i notice no one from grange council or any other supporting group has cared to comment on this site.
again the thing to note is accessability,which will be even more limited when the housing development at berners site is completed.why did british rail demolish the bridge link? back to the survey completed by 953 people out of a total of over 4000 residents and supported by 73% of them does not look like overwhelming interest in the project when 75% of the population of grange didn't even bother to fill in the survey forms shows a massive amount of residents not interested in the lido.i also fail to see that neo now will work for nothing if the bid fails as it surely will.the lido site should be incorporated into the new housing development at berners by retaining the façade.whoever applied for listed building status could then put money into the project.as for a barrier,well this should have been built years ago,but if it was used to generate power then it could not be used for boating etc as the water level would need to rise and fall with the tides so still making it of no use to a lido.however there are some strong views held by some influential people in grange who seem hell bent on spending money which does not belong to them.i notice no one from grange council or any other supporting group has cared to comment on this site. shirtbox2003
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9:39pm Mon 7 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

shirtbox2003 wrote:
again the thing to note is accessability,which will be even more limited when the housing development at berners site is completed.why did british rail demolish the bridge link? back to the survey completed by 953 people out of a total of over 4000 residents and supported by 73% of them does not look like overwhelming interest in the project when 75% of the population of grange didn't even bother to fill in the survey forms shows a massive amount of residents not interested in the lido.i also fail to see that neo now will work for nothing if the bid fails as it surely will.the lido site should be incorporated into the new housing development at berners by retaining the façade.whoever applied for listed building status could then put money into the project.as for a barrier,well this should have been built years ago,but if it was used to generate power then it could not be used for boating etc as the water level would need to rise and fall with the tides so still making it of no use to a lido.however there are some strong views held by some influential people in grange who seem hell bent on spending money which does not belong to them.i notice no one from grange council or any other supporting group has cared to comment on this site.
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[quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: again the thing to note is accessability,which will be even more limited when the housing development at berners site is completed.why did british rail demolish the bridge link? back to the survey completed by 953 people out of a total of over 4000 residents and supported by 73% of them does not look like overwhelming interest in the project when 75% of the population of grange didn't even bother to fill in the survey forms shows a massive amount of residents not interested in the lido.i also fail to see that neo now will work for nothing if the bid fails as it surely will.the lido site should be incorporated into the new housing development at berners by retaining the façade.whoever applied for listed building status could then put money into the project.as for a barrier,well this should have been built years ago,but if it was used to generate power then it could not be used for boating etc as the water level would need to rise and fall with the tides so still making it of no use to a lido.however there are some strong views held by some influential people in grange who seem hell bent on spending money which does not belong to them.i notice no one from grange council or any other supporting group has cared to comment on this site.[/p][/quote]?!! Do something don't moan
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Mon 7 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

Do something don't moan wrote:
shirtbox2003 wrote:
again the thing to note is accessability,which will be even more limited when the housing development at berners site is completed.why did british rail demolish the bridge link? back to the survey completed by 953 people out of a total of over 4000 residents and supported by 73% of them does not look like overwhelming interest in the project when 75% of the population of grange didn't even bother to fill in the survey forms shows a massive amount of residents not interested in the lido.i also fail to see that neo now will work for nothing if the bid fails as it surely will.the lido site should be incorporated into the new housing development at berners by retaining the façade.whoever applied for listed building status could then put money into the project.as for a barrier,well this should have been built years ago,but if it was used to generate power then it could not be used for boating etc as the water level would need to rise and fall with the tides so still making it of no use to a lido.however there are some strong views held by some influential people in grange who seem hell bent on spending money which does not belong to them.i notice no one from grange council or any other supporting group has cared to comment on this site.
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Sorry but you are wrong about the water level falling,it would fall but not quickly as the water would be sent through the turbines first and also dont forget the rivers are still flowing all the time regardless of tides. So boating would be still possible.
[quote][p][bold]Do something don't moan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: again the thing to note is accessability,which will be even more limited when the housing development at berners site is completed.why did british rail demolish the bridge link? back to the survey completed by 953 people out of a total of over 4000 residents and supported by 73% of them does not look like overwhelming interest in the project when 75% of the population of grange didn't even bother to fill in the survey forms shows a massive amount of residents not interested in the lido.i also fail to see that neo now will work for nothing if the bid fails as it surely will.the lido site should be incorporated into the new housing development at berners by retaining the façade.whoever applied for listed building status could then put money into the project.as for a barrier,well this should have been built years ago,but if it was used to generate power then it could not be used for boating etc as the water level would need to rise and fall with the tides so still making it of no use to a lido.however there are some strong views held by some influential people in grange who seem hell bent on spending money which does not belong to them.i notice no one from grange council or any other supporting group has cared to comment on this site.[/p][/quote]?!![/p][/quote]Sorry but you are wrong about the water level falling,it would fall but not quickly as the water would be sent through the turbines first and also dont forget the rivers are still flowing all the time regardless of tides. So boating would be still possible. hogheaven
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11:59pm Mon 7 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

but what of the safety feature faced with strong currents caused by the turbines,in other projects such as this no public activities are encouraged.however I think we are now leading away from the original subject of the lido which has as much chance of becoming reality as the barrage.
but what of the safety feature faced with strong currents caused by the turbines,in other projects such as this no public activities are encouraged.however I think we are now leading away from the original subject of the lido which has as much chance of becoming reality as the barrage. shirtbox2003
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6:27am Tue 8 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

shirtbox2003 wrote:
but what of the safety feature faced with strong currents caused by the turbines,in other projects such as this no public activities are encouraged.however I think we are now leading away from the original subject of the lido which has as much chance of becoming reality as the barrage.
The turbines could be located in central channel away form any likely human presence,This would be far preferable to being sucked down in the quicksands .The Lido would have the advantage of being watersedge and become a central point for marine use, something has to be done with it now that's it been saddled with grade 2 listing, who was responsible for the listing?
[quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: but what of the safety feature faced with strong currents caused by the turbines,in other projects such as this no public activities are encouraged.however I think we are now leading away from the original subject of the lido which has as much chance of becoming reality as the barrage.[/p][/quote]The turbines could be located in central channel away form any likely human presence,This would be far preferable to being sucked down in the quicksands .The Lido would have the advantage of being watersedge and become a central point for marine use, something has to be done with it now that's it been saddled with grade 2 listing, who was responsible for the listing? hogheaven
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12:00pm Tue 8 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

those responsible for the grade 2 listing would mainly be incomers and not locals.these type of people are mainly wealthy individuals having been professionals or had well paid jobs in education or health or administration with not a lot of experience in the day to day runnings of a commercial enterprise but getting involved verbally in projects like the lido gives a boost to their already inflated ego,s.the grade 2 listing should be removed on grounds of not being possible due to funds not being available.
those responsible for the grade 2 listing would mainly be incomers and not locals.these type of people are mainly wealthy individuals having been professionals or had well paid jobs in education or health or administration with not a lot of experience in the day to day runnings of a commercial enterprise but getting involved verbally in projects like the lido gives a boost to their already inflated ego,s.the grade 2 listing should be removed on grounds of not being possible due to funds not being available. shirtbox2003
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Tue 8 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

shirtbox2003 wrote:
those responsible for the grade 2 listing would mainly be incomers and not locals.these type of people are mainly wealthy individuals having been professionals or had well paid jobs in education or health or administration with not a lot of experience in the day to day runnings of a commercial enterprise but getting involved verbally in projects like the lido gives a boost to their already inflated ego,s.the grade 2 listing should be removed on grounds of not being possible due to funds not being available.
As an incomer I am not sure I can agree with the first part of what shirtbox2013 has written. After all the leader of Grange Council, Tom Harvey, runs his own company. I am very inclined to endorse the proposal made about the removal of the Grade II status. If it was delisted more sensible proposal may be made. Whatever happens something needs to be done by SLDC to stop the building's condition deteriorating further.
[quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: those responsible for the grade 2 listing would mainly be incomers and not locals.these type of people are mainly wealthy individuals having been professionals or had well paid jobs in education or health or administration with not a lot of experience in the day to day runnings of a commercial enterprise but getting involved verbally in projects like the lido gives a boost to their already inflated ego,s.the grade 2 listing should be removed on grounds of not being possible due to funds not being available.[/p][/quote]As an incomer I am not sure I can agree with the first part of what shirtbox2013 has written. After all the leader of Grange Council, Tom Harvey, runs his own company. I am very inclined to endorse the proposal made about the removal of the Grade II status. If it was delisted more sensible proposal may be made. Whatever happens something needs to be done by SLDC to stop the building's condition deteriorating further. Do something don't moan
  • Score: -1

2:19pm Tue 8 Oct 13

hogheaven says...

Do something don't moan wrote:
shirtbox2003 wrote:
those responsible for the grade 2 listing would mainly be incomers and not locals.these type of people are mainly wealthy individuals having been professionals or had well paid jobs in education or health or administration with not a lot of experience in the day to day runnings of a commercial enterprise but getting involved verbally in projects like the lido gives a boost to their already inflated ego,s.the grade 2 listing should be removed on grounds of not being possible due to funds not being available.
As an incomer I am not sure I can agree with the first part of what shirtbox2013 has written. After all the leader of Grange Council, Tom Harvey, runs his own company. I am very inclined to endorse the proposal made about the removal of the Grade II status. If it was delisted more sensible proposal may be made. Whatever happens something needs to be done by SLDC to stop the building's condition deteriorating further.
I am an incomer also came here for the same reason most of you did too, good friendly people,a good lifestyle and safe crime free environment,I would like to see this continue.So anything which perpetuates this I am all for,such also supporting our local shops and tradesmen.Having an interest in the future of the Lido is just part of living in Grange for me, it was after all allowed to die by some of the older locals.Times change progress in the right direction is called for.
[quote][p][bold]Do something don't moan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: those responsible for the grade 2 listing would mainly be incomers and not locals.these type of people are mainly wealthy individuals having been professionals or had well paid jobs in education or health or administration with not a lot of experience in the day to day runnings of a commercial enterprise but getting involved verbally in projects like the lido gives a boost to their already inflated ego,s.the grade 2 listing should be removed on grounds of not being possible due to funds not being available.[/p][/quote]As an incomer I am not sure I can agree with the first part of what shirtbox2013 has written. After all the leader of Grange Council, Tom Harvey, runs his own company. I am very inclined to endorse the proposal made about the removal of the Grade II status. If it was delisted more sensible proposal may be made. Whatever happens something needs to be done by SLDC to stop the building's condition deteriorating further.[/p][/quote]I am an incomer also came here for the same reason most of you did too, good friendly people,a good lifestyle and safe crime free environment,I would like to see this continue.So anything which perpetuates this I am all for,such also supporting our local shops and tradesmen.Having an interest in the future of the Lido is just part of living in Grange for me, it was after all allowed to die by some of the older locals.Times change progress in the right direction is called for. hogheaven
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8:11pm Wed 9 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

It had to close because SLDC were not prepared to spend money on its upkeep. They did not have a maintenance programme for This "I important community asset". It is no surprise it will now cost a fortune to bring back in to use!
It had to close because SLDC were not prepared to spend money on its upkeep. They did not have a maintenance programme for This "I important community asset". It is no surprise it will now cost a fortune to bring back in to use! Do something don't moan
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12:05am Thu 10 Oct 13

shirtbox2003 says...

you have hit the nail on the head there do something,as you say sldc have no money for the upkeep of the lido and never will have as they didn't with berners.so why waste another few million on another failed before start project.another question is,how much has been spent on this latest project and by who to whome?things like this eat money before any real work starts,e.g. consultations,plans,
architects,solicitor
s etc.
you have hit the nail on the head there do something,as you say sldc have no money for the upkeep of the lido and never will have as they didn't with berners.so why waste another few million on another failed before start project.another question is,how much has been spent on this latest project and by who to whome?things like this eat money before any real work starts,e.g. consultations,plans, architects,solicitor s etc. shirtbox2003
  • Score: 1

4:23pm Thu 10 Oct 13

Do something don't moan says...

shirtbox2003 wrote:
you have hit the nail on the head there do something,as you say sldc have no money for the upkeep of the lido and never will have as they didn't with berners.so why waste another few million on another failed before start project.another question is,how much has been spent on this latest project and by who to whome?things like this eat money before any real work starts,e.g. consultations,plans,

architects,solicitor

s etc.
Why not ask SLDC. They must have a cost centre for this project to enable them to make financial reports to the Council. I assume they have a budget which will provide details of who, how much and when. If Councillors can have the information why not residents.
[quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: you have hit the nail on the head there do something,as you say sldc have no money for the upkeep of the lido and never will have as they didn't with berners.so why waste another few million on another failed before start project.another question is,how much has been spent on this latest project and by who to whome?things like this eat money before any real work starts,e.g. consultations,plans, architects,solicitor s etc.[/p][/quote]Why not ask SLDC. They must have a cost centre for this project to enable them to make financial reports to the Council. I assume they have a budget which will provide details of who, how much and when. If Councillors can have the information why not residents. Do something don't moan
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