SLDC to consider giving councillors more cash to buy lighter laptops

COUNCILLORS could be given extra money to buy the latest lightweight laptop computers - despite many telling a council survey that they prefer their agendas on paper not screens.

Hopes by officers of South Lakeland District Council of the authority becoming a ‘paperless council’ also appear to have been thwarted.

A survey of councillors found less than six of its 51 members were ‘truly paperless’.

Now a special panel at the authority is likely to consider increasing the annual £3,880 allowance every councillor can receive so the extra money can be spent on the latest technological hardware.

Some complained that the current SLDC laptops for councillors - brought in five years ago - were ‘too heavy’ and ‘out-of-date’.

A report found: “The general consensus with regards to sending copies of agendas and minutes was that most members do prefer to receive hard copies and even many of those with personal access to the latest technology prefer the convenience of having a physical copy to write notes on and refer to as the meeting progresses.

“There were also comments that hardware being used during meetings could stem debate and cause distraction. There were still several respondents in favour of receiving electronic copies, these Members commented that they found them to be more convenient, cost saving, easy to access and and saved on having excess paperwork at home.”

The questionaire about IT issues was sent to the authority’s councillors and completed by less than half. A handful asked for iPads or iPhones to be given to councillors.

High-ranking Cabinet members are expected to get fully-encryptyed ‘portable devices’ so they can securely access the SLDC network.

It stems from ‘security concerns’ the council has over how councillors accessed emails and the methods used to send confidential information electronically - such as Part Two reports which are papers for meetings held behind-closed-doors.

The authority has spent over a year debating the issue with it going before four different committees and groups.

Netbooks have been ruled out after a task group found the screens might be too small for councillors.

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3:41pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Geoff103 says...

God, how depressing that councillors are so damned thick and antedeluvian as to be unable to use a laptop properly and, secondly, that the officers think it would cost close to £4000 to get each of them a decent, up-to-date machine.

Latest price for a fully equipped Macbook Air with 13" screen? £1129. Where does the other £3, 700ish go?
God, how depressing that councillors are so damned thick and antedeluvian as to be unable to use a laptop properly and, secondly, that the officers think it would cost close to £4000 to get each of them a decent, up-to-date machine. Latest price for a fully equipped Macbook Air with 13" screen? £1129. Where does the other £3, 700ish go? Geoff103

3:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Geoff103 says...

Ooops. £2,700ish
Ooops. £2,700ish Geoff103

4:11pm Wed 11 Dec 13

magical trevor says...

Come on Geoff103.....read the report again....the £3380 allowance is NOT a hardware allowance....it's their general Elected Member's allowance.....try to keep up......at least have the common sense to read things through and understand them in your head before giving way to an outburst!!
Come on Geoff103.....read the report again....the £3380 allowance is NOT a hardware allowance....it's their general Elected Member's allowance.....try to keep up......at least have the common sense to read things through and understand them in your head before giving way to an outburst!! magical trevor

4:26pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Geoff103 says...

MT. I suggest you read it again.

The allowance is already wildly in excess of the cost of a new laptop. There is no need to increase it.
MT. I suggest you read it again. The allowance is already wildly in excess of the cost of a new laptop. There is no need to increase it. Geoff103

5:21pm Wed 11 Dec 13

lord elpuss says...

Geoff103
The £3,880 is an annual payment for being a councillor it is not just for purchasing a laptop.
The way I understand the report is that they are proposing is an increase to the allowance to enable councillors to purchase up to date laptops which may only cost £350 therefore that is how much extra they will get making a total of £4,230 per annum.
Geoff103 The £3,880 is an annual payment for being a councillor it is not just for purchasing a laptop. The way I understand the report is that they are proposing is an increase to the allowance to enable councillors to purchase up to date laptops which may only cost £350 therefore that is how much extra they will get making a total of £4,230 per annum. lord elpuss

5:40pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Geoff103 says...

Indeed. m'lord, but the report also states that they already have laptops, albeit 5 years old, but are not using them. So why do they need an additional allowance to buy new ones?

Indeed, why aren't they bought centrally, to secure a bulk order discount? and why do officers trust councillors who manifestly haven't a clue a about using IT to make the correct decision on sourcing what they each, individually, need?

This is precisely the sort of extension to councillors' allowances that highlights the recent brouhaha over the independent oversight committee on allowances.

Instead the cllrs opted to 'blackball' any really independent oversight. And that's why we now have the proposed 'extension' for a capital purchase of IT equipment.

Any bets on the allowances being reduced for the next year after the purchases have been made?

And what excuses will they be making in future for not using the new laptops?
Indeed. m'lord, but the report also states that they already have laptops, albeit 5 years old, but are not using them. So why do they need an additional allowance to buy new ones? Indeed, why aren't they bought centrally, to secure a bulk order discount? and why do officers trust councillors who manifestly haven't a clue a about using IT to make the correct decision on sourcing what they each, individually, need? This is precisely the sort of extension to councillors' allowances that highlights the recent brouhaha over the independent oversight committee on allowances. Instead the cllrs opted to 'blackball' any really independent oversight. And that's why we now have the proposed 'extension' for a capital purchase of IT equipment. Any bets on the allowances being reduced for the next year after the purchases have been made? And what excuses will they be making in future for not using the new laptops? Geoff103

6:38pm Wed 11 Dec 13

magical trevor says...

Geoff103............
.the allowance is NOTHING to do with laptops.....the £3380 is their general allowance......forge
t laptops when thinking of this figure.....IT DOESN'T include the cost of a laptop. That's what I originally stated. I'd love to know where you're getting your far reaching information about who uses what and who doesn't use what?
Geoff103............ .the allowance is NOTHING to do with laptops.....the £3380 is their general allowance......forge t laptops when thinking of this figure.....IT DOESN'T include the cost of a laptop. That's what I originally stated. I'd love to know where you're getting your far reaching information about who uses what and who doesn't use what? magical trevor

7:37pm Wed 11 Dec 13

laker1 says...

All equipment that Councillors need to fulfil their roles should be provided by the Council and remain the property of the Council - increasing their allowances to cover costs of updating equipment is irrelevant - all computer equipment needs to be uniform for everyone and should be serviced and maintained by the Councils IT department - equipment must be purchased centrally to attract the best discounts, software must be standard and again run by the IT department
All equipment that Councillors need to fulfil their roles should be provided by the Council and remain the property of the Council - increasing their allowances to cover costs of updating equipment is irrelevant - all computer equipment needs to be uniform for everyone and should be serviced and maintained by the Councils IT department - equipment must be purchased centrally to attract the best discounts, software must be standard and again run by the IT department laker1

10:13pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Geoff103 says...

magical trevor wrote:
Geoff103............

.the allowance is NOTHING to do with laptops.....the £3380 is their general allowance......forge

t laptops when thinking of this figure.....IT DOESN'T include the cost of a laptop. That's what I originally stated. I'd love to know where you're getting your far reaching information about who uses what and who doesn't use what?
Then there's no need to increase it for any new laptop is there?

Is it an allowance or a reward? If an allowance then there's no reason why the current level cannot be used to pay for a new laptop.

You just don't spend it on something else to the cost of a new one. But as laker 1 writes, they should be bought centrally, if needed, but since cllrs are reportedly too dim to use their current machines, then there's no reason to suppose they'll be any brighter with a new one.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Geoff103............ .the allowance is NOTHING to do with laptops.....the £3380 is their general allowance......forge t laptops when thinking of this figure.....IT DOESN'T include the cost of a laptop. That's what I originally stated. I'd love to know where you're getting your far reaching information about who uses what and who doesn't use what?[/p][/quote]Then there's no need to increase it for any new laptop is there? Is it an allowance or a reward? If an allowance then there's no reason why the current level cannot be used to pay for a new laptop. You just don't spend it on something else to the cost of a new one. But as laker 1 writes, they should be bought centrally, if needed, but since cllrs are reportedly too dim to use their current machines, then there's no reason to suppose they'll be any brighter with a new one. Geoff103

10:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lakeuk says...

"lighter laptops" suggests a larger increase in allowance than should be required. You can get a decent laptop for £400 which would equate to an extra £100 per year in allowance. Some councillors will already have their own equipment so will effectively be pocketing the extra allowance but if it works out cheaper than having a council employee printout and post agenda's etc.. to everyone, also with the equipment being the councillors own property they will be responsible of maintenance costs saving the council support costs. Will Councillors be jumping up and down wanting a broadband connection paid for now.

And what about councillors not pull their weight, this'll be free money to them, there should be a pull back on allowances, take my local councillor for example, this year he's only attended 5 out of the 19 meetings he's supposed to attend (26%!!!) and he's had the same lack of attendance in previous years (1 of the 5 meetings lasted 4 mins). Kendal Town Council get rid of one of their councillors for low attendance yet SLDC have done nothing.

The council does come across as being backward with comments like "hardware being used during meetings could stem debate and cause distraction" and "The authority has spent over a year debating the issue with it going before four different committees and groups" plus giving up opening up to the public be broadcasting public meetings over the internet.

Plus Council are already behind technology curve, pop into my workplace and everyone's working on a
"lighter laptops" suggests a larger increase in allowance than should be required. You can get a decent laptop for £400 which would equate to an extra £100 per year in allowance. Some councillors will already have their own equipment so will effectively be pocketing the extra allowance but if it works out cheaper than having a council employee printout and post agenda's etc.. to everyone, also with the equipment being the councillors own property they will be responsible of maintenance costs saving the council support costs. Will Councillors be jumping up and down wanting a broadband connection paid for now. And what about councillors not pull their weight, this'll be free money to them, there should be a pull back on allowances, take my local councillor for example, this year he's only attended 5 out of the 19 meetings he's supposed to attend (26%!!!) and he's had the same lack of attendance in previous years (1 of the 5 meetings lasted 4 mins). Kendal Town Council get rid of one of their councillors for low attendance yet SLDC have done nothing. The council does come across as being backward with comments like "hardware being used during meetings could stem debate and cause distraction" and "The authority has spent over a year debating the issue with it going before four different committees and groups" plus giving up opening up to the public be broadcasting public meetings over the internet. Plus Council are already behind technology curve, pop into my workplace and everyone's working on a Lakeuk

10:47pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lakeuk says...

Plus Council are already behind technology curve, pop into my workplace and everyone's working on a
Plus Council are already behind technology curve, pop into my workplace and everyone's working on a Lakeuk

10:47pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Lakeuk says...

Plus Council are already behind technology curve, pop into my workplace and everyone's working on a less than £200 virtual box with their apps hosted in the cloud on the other side of the world, outside of the office you can use your personal equipment to connect virtually over broadband, work no longer have to fork out of laptops if you want to use on then you buy your own (even works on a Raspberry Pi). The next level is to have staff spent part of the week working from home turning the office into more of a hot desk environment, enabling the downsizing to smaller premises saving costs on buildings etc... and the possibility of sharing facilities with other companies to reduce costs even more.
Plus Council are already behind technology curve, pop into my workplace and everyone's working on a less than £200 virtual box with their apps hosted in the cloud on the other side of the world, outside of the office you can use your personal equipment to connect virtually over broadband, work no longer have to fork out of laptops if you want to use on then you buy your own (even works on a Raspberry Pi). The next level is to have staff spent part of the week working from home turning the office into more of a hot desk environment, enabling the downsizing to smaller premises saving costs on buildings etc... and the possibility of sharing facilities with other companies to reduce costs even more. Lakeuk

7:40am Thu 12 Dec 13

laker1 says...

Given that many of our representatives are way past the 'age of learning', perhaps it would be easier for them with pencils and paper
Given that many of our representatives are way past the 'age of learning', perhaps it would be easier for them with pencils and paper laker1

8:01am Thu 12 Dec 13

A view From Cumbria says...

Well, this keeps going on and on.

The suggestions that the council should have ANYTHING to do with a member's computer is just patently absurd and always was.

Of course members won't use equipment provided by the council, they have their own much superior computers. I had three stems within my general hard disk one for YDNP, one for SLDC, one for CCC. The space used was so miniscule as not to be calculable.

The way to do it is provide a member's allowance and expect them to use their own equipment, with the necessary security.

If this sounds strange, I used to receive a travel allowance from YDNP, SLDC, CCC as I was expected to get to meetings, obviously by car. should they have provided me with a car, or a taxi ? Get real. What if the YDNP car wouldn't start one day, should I use the SLDC car. Preposterous, as is the whole argument. Give councillors £20 per month on top of their allowance and provide all agendas by email only.

The fact this has gone to 4 committees confirms what we already know, your average Tim Farron accolite councillor is incapable of doing anything useful. This is a subject to keep them involved whilst avoiding the danger of them doing anything.
Well, this keeps going on and on. The suggestions that the council should have ANYTHING to do with a member's computer is just patently absurd and always was. Of course members won't use equipment provided by the council, they have their own much superior computers. I had three stems within my general hard disk one for YDNP, one for SLDC, one for CCC. The space used was so miniscule as not to be calculable. The way to do it is provide a member's allowance and expect them to use their own equipment, with the necessary security. If this sounds strange, I used to receive a travel allowance from YDNP, SLDC, CCC as I was expected to get to meetings, obviously by car. should they have provided me with a car, or a taxi ? Get real. What if the YDNP car wouldn't start one day, should I use the SLDC car. Preposterous, as is the whole argument. Give councillors £20 per month on top of their allowance and provide all agendas by email only. The fact this has gone to 4 committees confirms what we already know, your average Tim Farron accolite councillor is incapable of doing anything useful. This is a subject to keep them involved whilst avoiding the danger of them doing anything. A view From Cumbria

5:28pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Red Doc says...

I have to buy my own tools for my job, so should they!
I have to buy my own tools for my job, so should they! Red Doc

8:34pm Thu 12 Dec 13

shirtbox2003 says...

give each councillor the use of,not own ,an I pad and I phone which would be on a contract basis paid for by sldc. is this simple enough for the clown hall to understand.as for security issues ,well there should be no secrets in an open society.
give each councillor the use of,not own ,an I pad and I phone which would be on a contract basis paid for by sldc. is this simple enough for the clown hall to understand.as for security issues ,well there should be no secrets in an open society. shirtbox2003

9:00pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lakeuk says...

shirtbox2003 wrote:
give each councillor the use of,not own ,an I pad and I phone which would be on a contract basis paid for by sldc. is this simple enough for the clown hall to understand.as for security issues ,well there should be no secrets in an open society.
You're proposing giving each councillor £1500 worth of kit/mobile contracts, total cost to the tax payer £76,500 - not a good idea
[quote][p][bold]shirtbox2003[/bold] wrote: give each councillor the use of,not own ,an I pad and I phone which would be on a contract basis paid for by sldc. is this simple enough for the clown hall to understand.as for security issues ,well there should be no secrets in an open society.[/p][/quote]You're proposing giving each councillor £1500 worth of kit/mobile contracts, total cost to the tax payer £76,500 - not a good idea Lakeuk

9:33pm Thu 12 Dec 13

magical trevor says...

shirtbox2003 - ridiculous statements from someone who obviously has no insight into the issues at hand.
shirtbox2003 - ridiculous statements from someone who obviously has no insight into the issues at hand. magical trevor

10:38pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Kendal Jock says...

magical trevor wrote:
Come on Geoff103.....read the report again....the £3380 allowance is NOT a hardware allowance....it's their general Elected Member's allowance.....try to keep up......at least have the common sense to read things through and understand them in your head before giving way to an outburst!!
Here goes clever (magical trevor again!) Your biased views and outbursts are so typical your Lordship.
This is the usual waste of council taxpayers brass.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Come on Geoff103.....read the report again....the £3380 allowance is NOT a hardware allowance....it's their general Elected Member's allowance.....try to keep up......at least have the common sense to read things through and understand them in your head before giving way to an outburst!![/p][/quote]Here goes clever (magical trevor again!) Your biased views and outbursts are so typical your Lordship. This is the usual waste of council taxpayers brass. Kendal Jock

11:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

shirtbox2003 says...

in reply to lakeuk my statement should have read I phone or I pad.the I pad air 32gb can be purchased individually from carphone warehouse for just over £400. or rented @ £36 per month. and as for the magician trevor he must have lost site altogether and wake up and smell the coffee.everyone needs technology to function.the costs involved are minimal to some of the clown hall mess ups.
in reply to lakeuk my statement should have read I phone or I pad.the I pad air 32gb can be purchased individually from carphone warehouse for just over £400. or rented @ £36 per month. and as for the magician trevor he must have lost site altogether and wake up and smell the coffee.everyone needs technology to function.the costs involved are minimal to some of the clown hall mess ups. shirtbox2003

12:40am Fri 13 Dec 13

snuggle-bunny says...

Yet another obscene waste of taxpayers money. Isn't it time these sort of antics, and the people responsible, where stopped. How much more of this incompetence are we expected to take before action is taken; Roll on the next council elections so we can sack them at the ballot box
Yet another obscene waste of taxpayers money. Isn't it time these sort of antics, and the people responsible, where stopped. How much more of this incompetence are we expected to take before action is taken; Roll on the next council elections so we can sack them at the ballot box snuggle-bunny

12:53am Fri 13 Dec 13

Kendmoor says...

Should the money be given to the councillors? If they're asking for iphones and iPads I'd say not. The money should be given (as someone mentioned earlier) to the IT department so they can handle the purchasing of uniform, correct fit-for-use equipment which is going to have no compatibility issues with current council software whilst at the same time being as future-proof as possible, bought by people who know what they're talking about and aren't going to buy an ipad/iphone because they're all the rage.

There is *plenty* of tech out there that is perfectly up to scratch without having to pay through the nose and *out of the public purse* into Apple and it's warranties. I'm not an apple-hater, but these items, for what they will be used for are overkill when put up against the regular Laptop's and Asus/Samsung/Sony tablets which are miles cheaper and can be repaired easily onsite by the IT department.

100% the council should be brought up to speed with technology though and I think the money should definitely be spent and time invested to making sure everybody there can use the items to their full potential.

The people working there who are paperless or moving in that direction are to be commended. Lakeuk was Bang on the money with their comment earlier at 10:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13!
Should the money be given to the councillors? If they're asking for iphones and iPads I'd say not. The money should be given (as someone mentioned earlier) to the IT department so they can handle the purchasing of uniform, correct fit-for-use equipment which is going to have no compatibility issues with current council software whilst at the same time being as future-proof as possible, bought by people who know what they're talking about and aren't going to buy an ipad/iphone because they're all the rage. There is *plenty* of tech out there that is perfectly up to scratch without having to pay through the nose and *out of the public purse* into Apple and it's warranties. I'm not an apple-hater, but these items, for what they will be used for are overkill when put up against the regular Laptop's and Asus/Samsung/Sony tablets which are miles cheaper and can be repaired easily onsite by the IT department. 100% the council should be brought up to speed with technology though and I think the money should definitely be spent and time invested to making sure everybody there can use the items to their full potential. The people working there who are paperless or moving in that direction are to be commended. Lakeuk was Bang on the money with their comment earlier at 10:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13! Kendmoor

7:39am Fri 13 Dec 13

A view From Cumbria says...

With the greatest respect to fellow contributors the main point is being missed. Printing paper agendas AND sending them by post is expensive, very expensive. When I was a Cumbria Councillor I received packages through the post from the Courts or from County Hall in Kendal most days. Usually the postage bill sending this stuff to me was in excess of £10 per week. What happened to it. Well, I read it, unlike I suspect some of my colleagues, and then I stored it for back reference. It was rare that I ever wanted to do this and it proved easier to go on the website than plough through the mountain. So, there is a heck of a problem.

How to solve this, give them a computer and the software ? Create an IT department etc etc etc. Very expensive, and pointless. I can download all the part one agendas now from the website, cost a fraction of a penny.

The payment per month when it was made was to obviate the potential legal threat of a twerpish councillor demanding the paper copy. £20 per month is £240 pa, a trivial amount if it does away with the postage, the IT department for member services, the print room and the sorting.

Also that way the equipment never gets out of date. The member renews his own personal equipment as and when he chooses. Or doesn't. Not the council's problem.

As I said above, the logical sequitur of the council owning the computers is the council owning a fleet of cars which they loan out to members, until they cease to be councillors.

What happens to the computer equipment when the member becomes like me a former member ? They take it back, at some expense, and then invariably reformat the hard disk, and then skip it as the out of date junk it is.

I'm sorry, you see a lot of stupid things as a councillor but IT equipment for members is probably the most stupid I ever saw.
With the greatest respect to fellow contributors the main point is being missed. Printing paper agendas AND sending them by post is expensive, very expensive. When I was a Cumbria Councillor I received packages through the post from the Courts or from County Hall in Kendal most days. Usually the postage bill sending this stuff to me was in excess of £10 per week. What happened to it. Well, I read it, unlike I suspect some of my colleagues, and then I stored it for back reference. It was rare that I ever wanted to do this and it proved easier to go on the website than plough through the mountain. So, there is a heck of a problem. How to solve this, give them a computer and the software ? Create an IT department etc etc etc. Very expensive, and pointless. I can download all the part one agendas now from the website, cost a fraction of a penny. The payment per month when it was made was to obviate the potential legal threat of a twerpish councillor demanding the paper copy. £20 per month is £240 pa, a trivial amount if it does away with the postage, the IT department for member services, the print room and the sorting. Also that way the equipment never gets out of date. The member renews his own personal equipment as and when he chooses. Or doesn't. Not the council's problem. As I said above, the logical sequitur of the council owning the computers is the council owning a fleet of cars which they loan out to members, until they cease to be councillors. What happens to the computer equipment when the member becomes like me a former member ? They take it back, at some expense, and then invariably reformat the hard disk, and then skip it as the out of date junk it is. I'm sorry, you see a lot of stupid things as a councillor but IT equipment for members is probably the most stupid I ever saw. A view From Cumbria

9:01am Fri 13 Dec 13

Kendmoor says...

*Create* an IT department? They don't already have one?!
*Create* an IT department? They don't already have one?! Kendmoor

11:21am Fri 13 Dec 13

redhairedgranny says...

snuggle-bunny wrote:
Yet another obscene waste of taxpayers money. Isn't it time these sort of antics, and the people responsible, where stopped. How much more of this incompetence are we expected to take before action is taken; Roll on the next council elections so we can sack them at the ballot box
Sadly they will most probably still be in place after the elections. Farron will no doubt be canvassing on behalf of his blinkered acolytes instead of doing what he should be doing in Westminster. When will people start to see through the Lib Dem lies, half truths and utter incompetence?
[quote][p][bold]snuggle-bunny[/bold] wrote: Yet another obscene waste of taxpayers money. Isn't it time these sort of antics, and the people responsible, where stopped. How much more of this incompetence are we expected to take before action is taken; Roll on the next council elections so we can sack them at the ballot box[/p][/quote]Sadly they will most probably still be in place after the elections. Farron will no doubt be canvassing on behalf of his blinkered acolytes instead of doing what he should be doing in Westminster. When will people start to see through the Lib Dem lies, half truths and utter incompetence? redhairedgranny

5:08pm Fri 13 Dec 13

dancer58 says...

Kendmoor wrote:
Should the money be given to the councillors? If they're asking for iphones and iPads I'd say not. The money should be given (as someone mentioned earlier) to the IT department so they can handle the purchasing of uniform, correct fit-for-use equipment which is going to have no compatibility issues with current council software whilst at the same time being as future-proof as possible, bought by people who know what they're talking about and aren't going to buy an ipad/iphone because they're all the rage.

There is *plenty* of tech out there that is perfectly up to scratch without having to pay through the nose and *out of the public purse* into Apple and it's warranties. I'm not an apple-hater, but these items, for what they will be used for are overkill when put up against the regular Laptop's and Asus/Samsung/Sony tablets which are miles cheaper and can be repaired easily onsite by the IT department.

100% the council should be brought up to speed with technology though and I think the money should definitely be spent and time invested to making sure everybody there can use the items to their full potential.

The people working there who are paperless or moving in that direction are to be commended. Lakeuk was Bang on the money with their comment earlier at 10:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13!
They Can not repair pot holes let alone laptops !
[quote][p][bold]Kendmoor[/bold] wrote: Should the money be given to the councillors? If they're asking for iphones and iPads I'd say not. The money should be given (as someone mentioned earlier) to the IT department so they can handle the purchasing of uniform, correct fit-for-use equipment which is going to have no compatibility issues with current council software whilst at the same time being as future-proof as possible, bought by people who know what they're talking about and aren't going to buy an ipad/iphone because they're all the rage. There is *plenty* of tech out there that is perfectly up to scratch without having to pay through the nose and *out of the public purse* into Apple and it's warranties. I'm not an apple-hater, but these items, for what they will be used for are overkill when put up against the regular Laptop's and Asus/Samsung/Sony tablets which are miles cheaper and can be repaired easily onsite by the IT department. 100% the council should be brought up to speed with technology though and I think the money should definitely be spent and time invested to making sure everybody there can use the items to their full potential. The people working there who are paperless or moving in that direction are to be commended. Lakeuk was Bang on the money with their comment earlier at 10:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13![/p][/quote]They Can not repair pot holes let alone laptops ! dancer58

4:43pm Tue 17 Dec 13

spragger says...

What happened to them spending their own money?
Then we can see how valuable a 'light laptop' is to them
If the taxpayer is buying they will have everything that is going
What happened to them spending their own money? Then we can see how valuable a 'light laptop' is to them If the taxpayer is buying they will have everything that is going spragger

3:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

snuggle-bunny says...

what do they plan to do with the laptops they have- if they no longer need them please could our school have them ( assuming the 8&9 year old children can lift and carry them), or will they be giving them to family members or friends?
what do they plan to do with the laptops they have- if they no longer need them please could our school have them ( assuming the 8&9 year old children can lift and carry them), or will they be giving them to family members or friends? snuggle-bunny

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