Mansion tax row over Windermere jetty fees

The Westmorland Gazette: Coun David Williams Coun David Williams

SOUTH Lakeland District Council has been accused of imposing a ‘mansion tax’ on families living on the shores of Windermere.

Tory leader David Williams said the authority’s plans to increase encroachment fees relating to jetties on the lake amounted to a tax on those with properties surrounding it. SLDC owns the bed of Windermere and can annually levy those who have a jetty.

Coun Williams said: “People in my ward that have the privilege – they are not all wealthy, not at all. They are having their fees increased by 15 per cent and last year 30 per cent. That is 45 per cent in two years.

“This is a mansion tax on those who have properties on the lake. They don’t have any choice apart from demolishing their piers. It’s totally unreasonable.”

Coun Williams was responding to the ruling Lib Dem’s groups medium term financial plan.

Ahead of its budget-setting meeting in February, the council is preparing what it will spend and what will increase. It contains a number of increases to the fees and charges SLDC sets. The report was presented by Lib Dem Councillor David Evans.

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10:29am Thu 9 Jan 14

Howist says...

The Bedroom Tax payers/victims must feel as one with Mr Williams' constituents!

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The Bedroom Tax payers/victims must feel as one with Mr Williams' constituents! Try this for a link and then think about the Windermere 'Mansion Tax' payers: http://www.thisiscor nwall.co.uk/Bedroom- tax-shock-family-Cal eb/story-20414794-de tail/story.html#axzz 2ptahxfDX Howist
  • Score: 2

4:37pm Thu 9 Jan 14

jazzactivist says...

Come on now, Cllr Williams, anyone who can afford to live on the banks of Windermere can afford to pay for the privilege of having their own jetty!
Come on now, Cllr Williams, anyone who can afford to live on the banks of Windermere can afford to pay for the privilege of having their own jetty! jazzactivist
  • Score: 1

12:38pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Ambience says...

I don't think the argument is about people who live on the shores of the lake having to pay for a jetty. The argument is about the 45% rise in fees over a period of two years, which is an extortionate rise and a very unfair one.
I don't think the argument is about people who live on the shores of the lake having to pay for a jetty. The argument is about the 45% rise in fees over a period of two years, which is an extortionate rise and a very unfair one. Ambience
  • Score: 2

3:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Howist says...

My information reveals that someone is suffering from a seasonal attack of hyperbole. Encroachment fee payers have NOT been hit by a 45% increase since 2012 but by one of 22%. So, for example, from April 2014 a lakeside resident will have to pay a fee of £247 for a 10 square metre jetty; a boater without a property who simply wants a mooring for a 10 metre boat would have to pay £1220 for that privilege.

If the residents want these facilities then they will have to pay for them. After all, they are encroaching on SLDC land. As residents, we all have to pay the exorbitant parking fees on SLDC car parks so what is the problem with these property owners?

They can think themselves lucky that they won't find themselves evicted like some that have been hit by the Bedroom Tax.
My information reveals that someone is suffering from a seasonal attack of hyperbole. Encroachment fee payers have NOT been hit by a 45% increase since 2012 but by one of 22%. So, for example, from April 2014 a lakeside resident will have to pay a fee of £247 for a 10 square metre jetty; a boater without a property who simply wants a mooring for a 10 metre boat would have to pay £1220 for that privilege. If the residents want these facilities then they will have to pay for them. After all, they are encroaching on SLDC land. As residents, we all have to pay the exorbitant parking fees on SLDC car parks so what is the problem with these property owners? They can think themselves lucky that they won't find themselves evicted like some that have been hit by the Bedroom Tax. Howist
  • Score: 8

3:50pm Fri 10 Jan 14

jazzactivist says...

Those prices sound very reasonable to me, Howist. I would say TOO reasonable, considering how difficult it is for working people to afford to buy any home in Windermere. I would think a few thousand per year would be more appropriate to be able to use your own 10m2 jetty on the lake, and it would raise useful revenue. Let's make those who can pay for extreme luxuries like that contribute most towards our Council services.
Those prices sound very reasonable to me, Howist. I would say TOO reasonable, considering how difficult it is for working people to afford to buy any home in Windermere. I would think a few thousand per year would be more appropriate to be able to use your own 10m2 jetty on the lake, and it would raise useful revenue. Let's make those who can pay for extreme luxuries like that contribute most towards our Council services. jazzactivist
  • Score: 0

6:22pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Ambience says...

Howist wrote:
My information reveals that someone is suffering from a seasonal attack of hyperbole. Encroachment fee payers have NOT been hit by a 45% increase since 2012 but by one of 22%. So, for example, from April 2014 a lakeside resident will have to pay a fee of £247 for a 10 square metre jetty; a boater without a property who simply wants a mooring for a 10 metre boat would have to pay £1220 for that privilege.

If the residents want these facilities then they will have to pay for them. After all, they are encroaching on SLDC land. As residents, we all have to pay the exorbitant parking fees on SLDC car parks so what is the problem with these property owners?

They can think themselves lucky that they won't find themselves evicted like some that have been hit by the Bedroom Tax.
Where did Councillor Williams get his figures from then. He says it will be a 45% rise in two years. What is the actual rise?
[quote][p][bold]Howist[/bold] wrote: My information reveals that someone is suffering from a seasonal attack of hyperbole. Encroachment fee payers have NOT been hit by a 45% increase since 2012 but by one of 22%. So, for example, from April 2014 a lakeside resident will have to pay a fee of £247 for a 10 square metre jetty; a boater without a property who simply wants a mooring for a 10 metre boat would have to pay £1220 for that privilege. If the residents want these facilities then they will have to pay for them. After all, they are encroaching on SLDC land. As residents, we all have to pay the exorbitant parking fees on SLDC car parks so what is the problem with these property owners? They can think themselves lucky that they won't find themselves evicted like some that have been hit by the Bedroom Tax.[/p][/quote]Where did Councillor Williams get his figures from then. He says it will be a 45% rise in two years. What is the actual rise? Ambience
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7:24pm Fri 10 Jan 14

onelocal says...

Ambience wrote:
Howist wrote:
My information reveals that someone is suffering from a seasonal attack of hyperbole. Encroachment fee payers have NOT been hit by a 45% increase since 2012 but by one of 22%. So, for example, from April 2014 a lakeside resident will have to pay a fee of £247 for a 10 square metre jetty; a boater without a property who simply wants a mooring for a 10 metre boat would have to pay £1220 for that privilege.

If the residents want these facilities then they will have to pay for them. After all, they are encroaching on SLDC land. As residents, we all have to pay the exorbitant parking fees on SLDC car parks so what is the problem with these property owners?

They can think themselves lucky that they won't find themselves evicted like some that have been hit by the Bedroom Tax.
Where did Councillor Williams get his figures from then. He says it will be a 45% rise in two years. What is the actual rise?
If my memory serves me well, from the proposed budget presented at a recent council meeting, the rise for 2014 is 8%.
On another comment, "encroaching on SLDC land", in 1939, Henry Leigh-Groves gave the sum of £9,000 to Windermere Urban District Council to buy the bed of Windermere from the Lonsdale Estate, for the people of Windermere. In1974, South Lakeland District Council requisitioned (at the time some said stole) the bed of the Lake from the people of Windermere, and have been milking it ever since.
[quote][p][bold]Ambience[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Howist[/bold] wrote: My information reveals that someone is suffering from a seasonal attack of hyperbole. Encroachment fee payers have NOT been hit by a 45% increase since 2012 but by one of 22%. So, for example, from April 2014 a lakeside resident will have to pay a fee of £247 for a 10 square metre jetty; a boater without a property who simply wants a mooring for a 10 metre boat would have to pay £1220 for that privilege. If the residents want these facilities then they will have to pay for them. After all, they are encroaching on SLDC land. As residents, we all have to pay the exorbitant parking fees on SLDC car parks so what is the problem with these property owners? They can think themselves lucky that they won't find themselves evicted like some that have been hit by the Bedroom Tax.[/p][/quote]Where did Councillor Williams get his figures from then. He says it will be a 45% rise in two years. What is the actual rise?[/p][/quote]If my memory serves me well, from the proposed budget presented at a recent council meeting, the rise for 2014 is 8%. On another comment, "encroaching on SLDC land", in 1939, Henry Leigh-Groves gave the sum of £9,000 to Windermere Urban District Council to buy the bed of Windermere from the Lonsdale Estate, for the people of Windermere. In1974, South Lakeland District Council requisitioned (at the time some said stole) the bed of the Lake from the people of Windermere, and have been milking it ever since. onelocal
  • Score: 3

8:04pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Howist says...

Given that the man attends meetings of the Lake Administration Committee at which encroachment fees are set, I'd have thought he'd have known what the fees were.
The fees increased by 14.4% last year and by 7.9% this year, i.e. for an exemplar 10 square metre jetty, fees cost £200 in 2012, £228.80 in 2013 and £247.10 this year.
Mr Williams (He) is a politician, not God!
Given that the man attends meetings of the Lake Administration Committee at which encroachment fees are set, I'd have thought he'd have known what the fees were. The fees increased by 14.4% last year and by 7.9% this year, i.e. for an exemplar 10 square metre jetty, fees cost £200 in 2012, £228.80 in 2013 and £247.10 this year. Mr Williams (He) is a politician, not God! Howist
  • Score: 1

3:41pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Stargazeratdawn says...

Increases or not....If the 2014 cost is £247 I see that as highly reasonable. I pay £185 per year to store my two kayaks on a rack by the lake and I'm not complaining!
Increases or not....If the 2014 cost is £247 I see that as highly reasonable. I pay £185 per year to store my two kayaks on a rack by the lake and I'm not complaining! Stargazeratdawn
  • Score: 1

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