SLDC dog fouling 'crackdown' leads to no fines as officers have not caught anyone, meeting hears

SLDC dog fouling 'crackdown' leads to no fines as officers have not caught anyone, meeting hears

SLDC dog fouling 'crackdown' leads to no fines as officers have not caught anyone, meeting hears

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A COUNCIL crackdown on dog fouling in South Lakeland has not led to a single fine being issued since they were brought in last year, a meeting heard tonight.

Last May, South Lakeland District Council sanctioned the introduction of sweeping new dog control orders carrying the threat of £75 on-the-spot fines or a court appearance for offenders who did not pay up.

But at a meeting of the full council tonight, frontbench Liberal Democrats admitted no offenders have had to pay out because 'as yet officers have not witnessed any offence committed'.

Tory deputy leader Tom Harvey (Grange South) said: "I notice we haven't witnessed any instances of dog fouling. So there have been no fines by anyone at all? Is there any evidence the dog control orders have reduced dog fouling? What impact is it having?"

The Lib Dem portfolio holder for the issue, Coun Sue Sanderson (Staveley-in-Cartmel), replied: "There have been no fines. I've been asked this question a few times now and it's beginning to sound like a cracked record."

Coun Sanderson said SLDC's emphasis had always been on 'raising awareness and discouraging dog fouling.

She said future events were planned in April and May to help the public understand the orders.

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In her report to the council, Coun Sanderson said there was an ongoing programme to raise awareness of the orders in conjunction with Police Community Support Officers, and that problem areas had been identified with the help of residents and that officers had approached dog walkers to talk about the orders.

And she added: "There are places in Ulverston, where there were serious problems which have been eradicated. We get one or two dollops now - not the amount we used to get."

The new orders were brought in after dog fouling was named during a council consultation as a major annoyance for residents.

The orders cover vast swathes of council-owned land such as 51 children’s play areas, 20 sports pitches and nine cemeteries, among others, as well as all land in the district within 10 metres of a public highway where there is a speed limit of 30mph or under.

At the time of their introduction, Lib Dem council leader Peter Thornton stressed that the council did not employ an 'army' of dog catchers, and said those members of the public who abided by the new rules had little to fear.

But he also said: "The few that don’t will find they are targeted. We will send someone there, they will watch that area and prosecutions will ultimately ensue."

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1:01am Fri 28 Mar 14

Local Angel says...

Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners.
Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again!
Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners. Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again! Local Angel
  • Score: 14

6:21am Fri 28 Mar 14

Moonbase says...

Local Angel wrote:
Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners.
Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again!
I wouldn't want to poo poo the idea, but i think the data protection act would be a problem.
Also when two dogs are allowed to kill a cat because it's on their leads and the police can't do anything it just goes to show that it's down to the moronic owners.
[quote][p][bold]Local Angel[/bold] wrote: Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners. Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again![/p][/quote]I wouldn't want to poo poo the idea, but i think the data protection act would be a problem. Also when two dogs are allowed to kill a cat because it's on their leads and the police can't do anything it just goes to show that it's down to the moronic owners. Moonbase
  • Score: 7

8:28am Fri 28 Mar 14

johnwalker1000 says...

Signs have appeared in the local village some months ago on posts, never seen anyone out patrolling and neither have any of our neighbours. Perhaps the council will “use the force” to catch the culprits rather than go out on our streets where there is a serious amount of mess.
Signs have appeared in the local village some months ago on posts, never seen anyone out patrolling and neither have any of our neighbours. Perhaps the council will “use the force” to catch the culprits rather than go out on our streets where there is a serious amount of mess. johnwalker1000
  • Score: 9

9:18am Fri 28 Mar 14

brokenbanjo says...

A neighbour of hours repeatedly let their dog foul to grass near home. After asking politely several times and being told to unpolitely to go hither, I got a little irate. The final straw was when unloading my mountain bike from my car, I almost put my handlebars in a pile. So I contacted the Council, told them who it was and it stopped. I have a dog and religiously pick the mess up and it infuriates me to see it all over the place.

I think if a letter from the Council can change attitudes, then it is better than fines etc. Just because there have been no fines, does not mean that the policy is not working. It's an easy jibe for those playing politics though.
A neighbour of hours repeatedly let their dog foul to grass near home. After asking politely several times and being told to unpolitely to go hither, I got a little irate. The final straw was when unloading my mountain bike from my car, I almost put my handlebars in a pile. So I contacted the Council, told them who it was and it stopped. I have a dog and religiously pick the mess up and it infuriates me to see it all over the place. I think if a letter from the Council can change attitudes, then it is better than fines etc. Just because there have been no fines, does not mean that the policy is not working. It's an easy jibe for those playing politics though. brokenbanjo
  • Score: 11

3:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Kendmoor says...

Moonbase, there is *nothing* to stop you taking photos of another person in a *public* place - the only thing they could call you up on is possible harassment, which would be very very hard to prove and moreover simply will not happen if you just take one or two shots from a distance.

You can even film and photograph police officers providing you are not obstructing their job. :)
Moonbase, there is *nothing* to stop you taking photos of another person in a *public* place - the only thing they could call you up on is possible harassment, which would be very very hard to prove and moreover simply will not happen if you just take one or two shots from a distance. You can even film and photograph police officers providing you are not obstructing their job. :) Kendmoor
  • Score: 8

3:55pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Kendmoor says...

Oh snap! I completely misread the first comment, I thought she/he was suggesting that the photos would just be emailed to the address so that the police could follow up.....

...yes, I believe you would need to seek the owners permission if the pictures cannot be shown to be in the public interest. You would probably get away with it on a blog, a newspaper would probably fall into some legal difficulty as soon as someone claimed innocence etc etc.

So, at least half ignore previous comment!
Oh snap! I completely misread the first comment, I thought she/he was suggesting that the photos would just be emailed to the address so that the police could follow up..... ...yes, I believe you would need to seek the owners permission if the pictures cannot be shown to be in the public interest. You would probably get away with it on a blog, a newspaper would probably fall into some legal difficulty as soon as someone claimed innocence etc etc. So, at least half ignore previous comment! Kendmoor
  • Score: 1

3:57pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Kendmoor says...

It's not the first time I've fallen foul of my bad eyesight, made a bit of a dogs dinner of that first comment!
It's not the first time I've fallen foul of my bad eyesight, made a bit of a dogs dinner of that first comment! Kendmoor
  • Score: 1

8:11pm Fri 28 Mar 14

flora_f00 says...

I have never seen anyone patrolling where I live. Council aren't trying hard enough.
I have never seen anyone patrolling where I live. Council aren't trying hard enough. flora_f00
  • Score: 4

4:05pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Pringle1982 says...

Interesting use of photo at top of article. Maybe not the best advert for the council!!

Also never seen anyone patrolling, then again I've never seen anyone I know (walk dogs 2 x a day, same time, see same people) not pick up after their dogs.

Very sad that people think it is okay to leave it on the floor.
Interesting use of photo at top of article. Maybe not the best advert for the council!! Also never seen anyone patrolling, then again I've never seen anyone I know (walk dogs 2 x a day, same time, see same people) not pick up after their dogs. Very sad that people think it is okay to leave it on the floor. Pringle1982
  • Score: 4

6:59pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Ambience says...

Pringle1982 wrote:
Interesting use of photo at top of article. Maybe not the best advert for the council!!

Also never seen anyone patrolling, then again I've never seen anyone I know (walk dogs 2 x a day, same time, see same people) not pick up after their dogs.

Very sad that people think it is okay to leave it on the floor.
If they knew what problems worms can cause they might pick up their dog mess. Worm eggs present in dog faeces can be picked up on shoes, taken into the home, and humans can get contaminated causing blindness if children are contaminated. According to research 20% of dog faeces contain worm eggs. There are several types of worm which attack dogs and cats, and their eggs are present in dog faeces. Even when you pick up your dogs mess in a poo bag make sure to wash your hands thoroughly afterwards. The people who are too lazy to pick up dog mess are potentially risking contaminating the rest of us with worms.
[quote][p][bold]Pringle1982[/bold] wrote: Interesting use of photo at top of article. Maybe not the best advert for the council!! Also never seen anyone patrolling, then again I've never seen anyone I know (walk dogs 2 x a day, same time, see same people) not pick up after their dogs. Very sad that people think it is okay to leave it on the floor.[/p][/quote]If they knew what problems worms can cause they might pick up their dog mess. Worm eggs present in dog faeces can be picked up on shoes, taken into the home, and humans can get contaminated causing blindness if children are contaminated. According to research 20% of dog faeces contain worm eggs. There are several types of worm which attack dogs and cats, and their eggs are present in dog faeces. Even when you pick up your dogs mess in a poo bag make sure to wash your hands thoroughly afterwards. The people who are too lazy to pick up dog mess are potentially risking contaminating the rest of us with worms. Ambience
  • Score: 7

10:00pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Plutach says...

I smell a rat. How can there have been no prosecutions? Dog fouling is endemic in south Cumbria a simple setup with an infrared camera should catch enough people to seriously boost council revenues. For the sake of the children we have to catch and stop the sociopaths who delight in dog faeces.
I smell a rat. How can there have been no prosecutions? Dog fouling is endemic in south Cumbria a simple setup with an infrared camera should catch enough people to seriously boost council revenues. For the sake of the children we have to catch and stop the sociopaths who delight in dog faeces. Plutach
  • Score: 3

10:13pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Lakeuk says...

Was a pointless by-law to bring in, there's still dog mess on the streets, not even a slight decrease - it's still a hot topic of complaints. Has anyone seen the dog's in the act and who their owners are, probable not so how do the council think their officers can realistically catch the culprits in the act. At the time when the slanted consultation questions gave the council the answers they were wanting to go the by-law route they said:-

“The council can now look at putting the most suitable measures in place, which will result in cleaner streets for all in South Lakeland.”

Now you could be cynical and think it was some back room plan to keep the public quiet during an election year ;)
Was a pointless by-law to bring in, there's still dog mess on the streets, not even a slight decrease - it's still a hot topic of complaints. Has anyone seen the dog's in the act and who their owners are, probable not so how do the council think their officers can realistically catch the culprits in the act. At the time when the slanted consultation questions gave the council the answers they were wanting to go the by-law route they said:- “The council can now look at putting the most suitable measures in place, which will result in cleaner streets for all in South Lakeland.” Now you could be cynical and think it was some back room plan to keep the public quiet during an election year ;) Lakeuk
  • Score: 2

10:39pm Mon 31 Mar 14

snuggle-bunny says...

claire freeney whateverhername is had the best idea- spray it pink and shame the owners. well done, another winner
claire freeney whateverhername is had the best idea- spray it pink and shame the owners. well done, another winner snuggle-bunny
  • Score: 2

1:57pm Tue 1 Apr 14

eamonnguitar says...

Pathetic! This law is clearly not being enforced in any way.
I could go out every day and catch half a dozen offenders in Kendal alone.
Even when you make a direct complaint to SLDC about an individual they seem completely disinterested.
Pathetic! This law is clearly not being enforced in any way. I could go out every day and catch half a dozen offenders in Kendal alone. Even when you make a direct complaint to SLDC about an individual they seem completely disinterested. eamonnguitar
  • Score: 6

12:15pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Pringle1982 says...

Ambience wrote:
Pringle1982 wrote:
Interesting use of photo at top of article. Maybe not the best advert for the council!!

Also never seen anyone patrolling, then again I've never seen anyone I know (walk dogs 2 x a day, same time, see same people) not pick up after their dogs.

Very sad that people think it is okay to leave it on the floor.
If they knew what problems worms can cause they might pick up their dog mess. Worm eggs present in dog faeces can be picked up on shoes, taken into the home, and humans can get contaminated causing blindness if children are contaminated. According to research 20% of dog faeces contain worm eggs. There are several types of worm which attack dogs and cats, and their eggs are present in dog faeces. Even when you pick up your dogs mess in a poo bag make sure to wash your hands thoroughly afterwards. The people who are too lazy to pick up dog mess are potentially risking contaminating the rest of us with worms.
But that's the problem with people who don't. They don't care.

They are selfish enough to leave something nasty and unsightly on the floor, so the health risks probably don't even come into it. In fact they are probably the kind of people who don't believe the health risks anyway. They are also the kind of people who probably don't worm their dogs on a regular basis to help stop this happening.
[quote][p][bold]Ambience[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pringle1982[/bold] wrote: Interesting use of photo at top of article. Maybe not the best advert for the council!! Also never seen anyone patrolling, then again I've never seen anyone I know (walk dogs 2 x a day, same time, see same people) not pick up after their dogs. Very sad that people think it is okay to leave it on the floor.[/p][/quote]If they knew what problems worms can cause they might pick up their dog mess. Worm eggs present in dog faeces can be picked up on shoes, taken into the home, and humans can get contaminated causing blindness if children are contaminated. According to research 20% of dog faeces contain worm eggs. There are several types of worm which attack dogs and cats, and their eggs are present in dog faeces. Even when you pick up your dogs mess in a poo bag make sure to wash your hands thoroughly afterwards. The people who are too lazy to pick up dog mess are potentially risking contaminating the rest of us with worms.[/p][/quote]But that's the problem with people who don't. They don't care. They are selfish enough to leave something nasty and unsightly on the floor, so the health risks probably don't even come into it. In fact they are probably the kind of people who don't believe the health risks anyway. They are also the kind of people who probably don't worm their dogs on a regular basis to help stop this happening. Pringle1982
  • Score: 2

2:03pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Kendmoor says...

What always baffles me is when I go walking in the woods and you clearly see dog feaces in bags...just left at the side of the path
"Oh, i'll just wrap up my dog crap and leave it here to preserve it for future generations"

Great job!
What always baffles me is when I go walking in the woods and you clearly see dog feaces in bags...just left at the side of the path "Oh, i'll just wrap up my dog crap and leave it here to preserve it for future generations" Great job! Kendmoor
  • Score: 4

6:27pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Plutach says...

Lakeuk wrote:
Was a pointless by-law to bring in, there's still dog mess on the streets, not even a slight decrease - it's still a hot topic of complaints. Has anyone seen the dog's in the act and who their owners are, probable not so how do the council think their officers can realistically catch the culprits in the act. At the time when the slanted consultation questions gave the council the answers they were wanting to go the by-law route they said:-

“The council can now look at putting the most suitable measures in place, which will result in cleaner streets for all in South Lakeland.”

Now you could be cynical and think it was some back room plan to keep the public quiet during an election year ;)
A cheap infrared camera and you could clearly see the dog, the owner and the poo, especially at night when these sociopaths come out of their hovels.
I think that there are too many "dog lovers" in the council and the police for the problem to be taken seriously.
[quote][p][bold]Lakeuk[/bold] wrote: Was a pointless by-law to bring in, there's still dog mess on the streets, not even a slight decrease - it's still a hot topic of complaints. Has anyone seen the dog's in the act and who their owners are, probable not so how do the council think their officers can realistically catch the culprits in the act. At the time when the slanted consultation questions gave the council the answers they were wanting to go the by-law route they said:- “The council can now look at putting the most suitable measures in place, which will result in cleaner streets for all in South Lakeland.” Now you could be cynical and think it was some back room plan to keep the public quiet during an election year ;)[/p][/quote]A cheap infrared camera and you could clearly see the dog, the owner and the poo, especially at night when these sociopaths come out of their hovels. I think that there are too many "dog lovers" in the council and the police for the problem to be taken seriously. Plutach
  • Score: 4

6:40am Thu 3 Apr 14

taigum says...

Moonbase wrote:
Local Angel wrote:
Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners.
Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again!
I wouldn't want to poo poo the idea, but i think the data protection act would be a problem.
Also when two dogs are allowed to kill a cat because it's on their leads and the police can't do anything it just goes to show that it's down to the moronic owners.
Its a stink without the stink!! somebody in council has seriously fouled up. I rather think that those responsible for the patrols, really didnt give a ???? Its a mess that needs to be sorted out.
[quote][p][bold]Moonbase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Angel[/bold] wrote: Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners. Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again![/p][/quote]I wouldn't want to poo poo the idea, but i think the data protection act would be a problem. Also when two dogs are allowed to kill a cat because it's on their leads and the police can't do anything it just goes to show that it's down to the moronic owners.[/p][/quote]Its a stink without the stink!! somebody in council has seriously fouled up. I rather think that those responsible for the patrols, really didnt give a ???? Its a mess that needs to be sorted out. taigum
  • Score: 1

6:47am Thu 3 Apr 14

taigum says...

Moonbase wrote:
Local Angel wrote:
Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners.
Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again!
I wouldn't want to poo poo the idea, but i think the data protection act would be a problem.
Also when two dogs are allowed to kill a cat because it's on their leads and the police can't do anything it just goes to show that it's down to the moronic owners.
Its a stink without the stink. A serious foul up by council. I think those on patrol, perhaps didnt give a ????. the whole thing is a complete mess!
[quote][p][bold]Moonbase[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Local Angel[/bold] wrote: Perhaps setting up an email address, where members of the public can send picture evidence of culprits to can help further deter dog owners. Then posting those pictures on a gazette page to shame the owners into not letting it happen again![/p][/quote]I wouldn't want to poo poo the idea, but i think the data protection act would be a problem. Also when two dogs are allowed to kill a cat because it's on their leads and the police can't do anything it just goes to show that it's down to the moronic owners.[/p][/quote]Its a stink without the stink. A serious foul up by council. I think those on patrol, perhaps didnt give a ????. the whole thing is a complete mess! taigum
  • Score: 0

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