'We will have ghost villages' - Windermere and Bowness residents and businesses turn out in force in opposition to on-street parking charges

The Westmorland Gazette: 'We will have ghost villages' - Windermere and Bowness residents turn out in force in opposition to on-street parking charges 'We will have ghost villages' - Windermere and Bowness residents turn out in force in opposition to on-street parking charges

HUNDREDS of people showed the strength of community opposition to the introduction of on-street parking charges at a public meeting in Windermere last night (Thursday).

The meeting was organised by the newly-formed Windermere and Bowness Action Group in response to Cumbria County Council's plans to bring parking meters to the streets of the towns.

The cash-strapped county council say the move is necessary to plug a financial black hole in its budget following swingeing cuts in central government funding.

But the majority of the 330 people who turned out to the meeting at the Ladyholme centre have called for the decision to be reversed.

"The council does not recognise the potential damage it would have on an already fragile trading situation," said Bill Smith, a Windermere Town Coun and one of the founders of the campaign group.

"Businesses need every incentive to get customers through their door."

Mr Smith, who works as an expert in promoting retail on the high street, added: "Putting a charge will decimate the way people shop."

One business owner told the meeting: "Councillors are put in the public to work on our behalf but are not. Enough is enough."

Another said: "This will push people away. We will have ghost villages."

And another added: "The speed limit on Windermere put the final nail in the coffin. This is like putting 6ft of earth on top."

Nigel Wilkinson, of Windermere Lake Cruises, one of the largest tourism operators in the Lakes, called for a economic impact study to be conducted.

"This decision cannot be made without it," he said.

"I am not sure whether our council decision makers realise how marginal some businesses are operating at.

"They have seven months of income with 12 months of expenses."

But Coun James Airey, leader of the Conservatives on CCC, said more money should not be wasted on an economic impact study.

"We simply need to stop it," he said. "We must do what we can to stop these insane proposals."

David Williams, a Bowness Conservative Coun on SLDC, dubbed the plans 'catastrophic'.

He urged everybody who attended to write to the Chief Executive of the county council, Diane Wood, and its leader Stewart Young.

"If they have to take two tonnes of letters to the rubbish tip they will have to think twice," he said.

The meeting was also attended by members of Future Ambleside.

The group has concerns over plans for two new hotels in Ambleside, along with on-street parking charges, future homes and Sainsbury's coming to the town.

Fiona Howarth, speaking on behalf of the group, called for a unified approach.

"Let's get every town affected to get its communities to show their disgust at what CCC are doing," she said.

Jim Bland, Conservative county coun for the Lyth Valley, said: "Where there's no parking charges there is prosperity.

"It doesn't take a genius to work that out.

"It's taken ten years to get over the 10mph speed limit. This is going to take the ground under your feet and put you right back in the hole."

South Lakes MP Tim Farron said there is still time to stop the charges.

"Use the strength of feeling to make it clear - go find the money from somewhere else," he said.

Pat Bell, who attended in place of cabinet member for finance and Windermere Coun Jo Stephenson, said: "It's really sad this meeting is taking place today and not during the consultation."

She said it was important the community fed in ideas to the South Lakeland Local Committee, who will be responsible for fine-tuning the plan later in the year.

 

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7:35am Fri 6 Jun 14

hogheaven says...

Once again they choose to ignore the people, they are supposed to represent ,not do their own thing at will. Is their no one in the council with any commonsense ?I fear a revolution is near maybe Nigel can help?
Once again they choose to ignore the people, they are supposed to represent ,not do their own thing at will. Is their no one in the council with any commonsense ?I fear a revolution is near maybe Nigel can help? hogheaven
  • Score: 20

9:04am Fri 6 Jun 14

Gingery says...

In the meantime charges are coming in for residents parking permits. I know it's not a lot but has this been forgotten?
In the meantime charges are coming in for residents parking permits. I know it's not a lot but has this been forgotten? Gingery
  • Score: 14

9:33am Fri 6 Jun 14

andyrsv says...

These clowns are so out of touch with the public its unbeleivable, I think motorists are hit badly already without milking more from them.I feel very sorry for the traders who will see the result of this as people go elsewhere.
These clowns are so out of touch with the public its unbeleivable, I think motorists are hit badly already without milking more from them.I feel very sorry for the traders who will see the result of this as people go elsewhere. andyrsv
  • Score: 21

9:44am Fri 6 Jun 14

hogheaven says...

andyrsv wrote:
These clowns are so out of touch with the public its unbeleivable, I think motorists are hit badly already without milking more from them.I feel very sorry for the traders who will see the result of this as people go elsewhere.
Same here,What can we do about it any suggestions?
[quote][p][bold]andyrsv[/bold] wrote: These clowns are so out of touch with the public its unbeleivable, I think motorists are hit badly already without milking more from them.I feel very sorry for the traders who will see the result of this as people go elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Same here,What can we do about it any suggestions? hogheaven
  • Score: 7

10:09am Fri 6 Jun 14

CumbrianReiver says...

I attended the meeting last night and feel a couple of issues need highlighting.
The pompous opening statement by Pat Bell inferring that the meeting should have been organised at a more mutually convenient time so that councillor Stephenson could have attended. Well Jo, 300+ concerned people re-organised their evening to attend the meeting. Your absence speaks volumes. And so did the vote of no confidence in you as the elected representative of the people of Bowness & Windermere. Numbered days old chap ?
And a well educated comment by one speaker that budgetary cut backs are designed for councils to make 'savings' on their ballooning expenses, not find the shortfall elsewhere to keep their wasteful (Capita) expenditure at the same level.
I would urge members of Windermere Town Council to now 'grow a pair' and follow the example set by Lakes Council for a vote of no confidence against CCC.
I attended the meeting last night and feel a couple of issues need highlighting. The pompous opening statement by Pat Bell inferring that the meeting should have been organised at a more mutually convenient time so that councillor Stephenson could have attended. Well Jo, 300+ concerned people re-organised their evening to attend the meeting. Your absence speaks volumes. And so did the vote of no confidence in you as the elected representative of the people of Bowness & Windermere. Numbered days old chap ? And a well educated comment by one speaker that budgetary cut backs are designed for councils to make 'savings' on their ballooning expenses, not find the shortfall elsewhere to keep their wasteful (Capita) expenditure at the same level. I would urge members of Windermere Town Council to now 'grow a pair' and follow the example set by Lakes Council for a vote of no confidence against CCC. CumbrianReiver
  • Score: 37

10:24am Fri 6 Jun 14

bob wilkinson says...

To use parking charges as a general revenue source in this way is an abuse of the law, and ought to be challenged in the High Court. I am surpassed that no-one seems to have done this.
To use parking charges as a general revenue source in this way is an abuse of the law, and ought to be challenged in the High Court. I am surpassed that no-one seems to have done this. bob wilkinson
  • Score: 16

10:32am Fri 6 Jun 14

hogheaven says...

bob wilkinson wrote:
To use parking charges as a general revenue source in this way is an abuse of the law, and ought to be challenged in the High Court. I am surpassed that no-one seems to have done this.
Thats a really good idea Bob any views from a legal reader on its feasabilty?
[quote][p][bold]bob wilkinson[/bold] wrote: To use parking charges as a general revenue source in this way is an abuse of the law, and ought to be challenged in the High Court. I am surpassed that no-one seems to have done this.[/p][/quote]Thats a really good idea Bob any views from a legal reader on its feasabilty? hogheaven
  • Score: 9

11:17am Fri 6 Jun 14

monicajean says...

The Ambleside group are challenging it.
The Ambleside group are challenging it. monicajean
  • Score: 9

11:17am Fri 6 Jun 14

twitchy says...

A legal challenge is being looked at but it is a costly excercise even to just have a review of the case. Funds will be needed, however if the towns and villages affected by this madness combined forces and pockets it would be a matter of a few pounds each rather than hundreds.
Public pressure through complaining, demonstrations is cheaperl though it can be time consuming. A combination of the two I think is the way forward.
A lot of public 'noise' will get the attention of the national press and the countries leaders.
A legal challenge is being looked at but it is a costly excercise even to just have a review of the case. Funds will be needed, however if the towns and villages affected by this madness combined forces and pockets it would be a matter of a few pounds each rather than hundreds. Public pressure through complaining, demonstrations is cheaperl though it can be time consuming. A combination of the two I think is the way forward. A lot of public 'noise' will get the attention of the national press and the countries leaders. twitchy
  • Score: 7

11:29am Fri 6 Jun 14

ukmann says...

If you find a knife and want to make it safe. Push the blade in a crack, step on it and snap it. Then throw it in the bin .........
If you find a knife and want to make it safe. Push the blade in a crack, step on it and snap it. Then throw it in the bin ......... ukmann
  • Score: -6

12:00pm Fri 6 Jun 14

CumbrianReiver says...

ukmann wrote:
If you find a knife and want to make it safe. Push the blade in a crack, step on it and snap it. Then throw it in the bin .........
A cryptic statement with many possible meanings.
Are you in politics perchance?
[quote][p][bold]ukmann[/bold] wrote: If you find a knife and want to make it safe. Push the blade in a crack, step on it and snap it. Then throw it in the bin .........[/p][/quote]A cryptic statement with many possible meanings. Are you in politics perchance? CumbrianReiver
  • Score: 6

12:17pm Fri 6 Jun 14

jazzactivist says...

I'm not sure what I think of this to be honest. Parking on the streets in Ambleside and Windermere is extremely restricted anyway, to just one hour with a local dial permit. Those spaces aren't of much use to the people who need them, such as people who work in the area. So if there is a charge of £1 or £2 for that hour is it going to make much difference? Any car overstaying in those bays already gets booked by the traffic warden. I've noticed when visiting friends there that people in those areas, including second home owners, can be very unfriendly about other people parking in 'their' streets round about and, again, I am not sure why if they want the town to thrive. Sure, local people who nip into town think they want to just quickly go into a shop to get what they want, but they could walk there, as can people staying in holiday accommodation in the town... Tourists don't just stop quickly and buy what they want, they tend to browse around for quite a while. I'm not a fan of Councils riding roughshod over local residents' needs, but with this I'm not exactly sure who is going to be affected so badly, or why.
I'm not sure what I think of this to be honest. Parking on the streets in Ambleside and Windermere is extremely restricted anyway, to just one hour with a local dial permit. Those spaces aren't of much use to the people who need them, such as people who work in the area. So if there is a charge of £1 or £2 for that hour is it going to make much difference? Any car overstaying in those bays already gets booked by the traffic warden. I've noticed when visiting friends there that people in those areas, including second home owners, can be very unfriendly about other people parking in 'their' streets round about and, again, I am not sure why if they want the town to thrive. Sure, local people who nip into town think they want to just quickly go into a shop to get what they want, but they could walk there, as can people staying in holiday accommodation in the town... Tourists don't just stop quickly and buy what they want, they tend to browse around for quite a while. I'm not a fan of Councils riding roughshod over local residents' needs, but with this I'm not exactly sure who is going to be affected so badly, or why. jazzactivist
  • Score: -26

1:07pm Fri 6 Jun 14

give-up says...

Who is affected? Anyone living more than a couple of miles out of the village, who is wary of walking or cycling on narrow, twisty roads where traffic speeds through without a care. Anyone with young children who can't be left at home alone, but who needs to get to the bank or shop or dentist and again, is too far away to walk them all in. Anyone who works all day and needs to nip to the bank during their lunch break because it closes before they finish work....etc....etc..
.etc.

I see our MP was there. You know, the one who does so much for us all. Did he just talk, or is he actually going to put his power to good use on this occasion?
Who is affected? Anyone living more than a couple of miles out of the village, who is wary of walking or cycling on narrow, twisty roads where traffic speeds through without a care. Anyone with young children who can't be left at home alone, but who needs to get to the bank or shop or dentist and again, is too far away to walk them all in. Anyone who works all day and needs to nip to the bank during their lunch break because it closes before they finish work....etc....etc.. .etc. I see our MP was there. You know, the one who does so much for us all. Did he just talk, or is he actually going to put his power to good use on this occasion? give-up
  • Score: 16

2:00pm Fri 6 Jun 14

SteveISITFAIR says...

I note James Airey was putting his two penny worth in last night. What's probably not well known is that he, labour leader S Young and Stephenson have again voted positively to have monies taken from CCCs income in order to prop up the local gov pension scheme. Said income arises from council tax paid, gov grants (again our taxes paid) and parking charges etc. The monies diverted here are in the region of 19 to 21% of said income and which is a huge amount of our money sent in order to fund very lucrative pensions to early retiring local public servants but to the absolute detriment of the many who have no means to provide for their own old age. It's not hard here to equate what could be otherwise done with OUR MONIES in not least, the parking issue and fire appliances etc, One is also entitled to ponder just what's in this for the likes of Airey + co, but for myself it's a grotesque betrayal of trust to the many, particularly as he and they, blatantly refuse to justify this issue when asked and believe me, I have !
I note James Airey was putting his two penny worth in last night. What's probably not well known is that he, labour leader S Young and Stephenson have again voted positively to have monies taken from CCCs income in order to prop up the local gov pension scheme. Said income arises from council tax paid, gov grants (again our taxes paid) and parking charges etc. The monies diverted here are in the region of 19 to 21% of said income and which is a huge amount of our money sent in order to fund very lucrative pensions to early retiring local public servants but to the absolute detriment of the many who have no means to provide for their own old age. It's not hard here to equate what could be otherwise done with OUR MONIES in not least, the parking issue and fire appliances etc, One is also entitled to ponder just what's in this for the likes of Airey + co, but for myself it's a grotesque betrayal of trust to the many, particularly as he and they, blatantly refuse to justify this issue when asked and believe me, I have ! SteveISITFAIR
  • Score: 13

2:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections.

By the way CumbrianReiver....I'
m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver.
Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections. By the way CumbrianReiver....I' m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver. magical trevor
  • Score: -17

2:19pm Fri 6 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections.

By the way CumbrianReiver....I'
m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver.
Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections. By the way CumbrianReiver....I' m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver. magical trevor
  • Score: -16

3:12pm Fri 6 Jun 14

SteveISITFAIR says...

Since when have CCC taken the slightest notice on any consultation magic, or any individual participant thereof ?
Since when have CCC taken the slightest notice on any consultation magic, or any individual participant thereof ? SteveISITFAIR
  • Score: 13

3:46pm Fri 6 Jun 14

davidearnshaw says...

Another excellent meeting v the proposed parking charges ------ if it could be organised --- a county wide fund needs to be set up to hire the necessary Legal Team to apply for a Judicial Review and a possible injunction.
Other Actions by EVERYONE WHO CAN
1 ) Write to Diane Wood, Chief Executive CCC 2 ) Write to Cllr Jo Stephenson
3 ) lobby your own County Councillor ---- ask them to stand firm at the South Lakes Local Committe meeting 25th June and refuse to discuss which streets and how much etc ---- ask them to return the issue to Cabinet. ( Heidi Halliday, Ambleside is already openly challenging the plan, so she is "on board"
I believe there is much activity "behind the scenes" and doubtless our MP Tim Farron who has publically expressed his opposition, will be doing all he can to get this matter stopped.
Above all we need the matter depoliticising ----- and every Councillor persuaded to rebel.
One last point ---- there is much confusion amongst the public about who does what with respect to parking ----- so, to clarify ------ County Council DO NOT have any OFF STREET CAR PARKS ------ Car Parks in the main in Cumbria are either privately owned and run OR run by DISTRICT COUNCILS --- in this area South Lakeland DC.
SO FOLKS ---- ONWARDS AND UPWARDS, Well done everyone who is actively involved in fighting this issue.
Another excellent meeting v the proposed parking charges ------ if it could be organised --- a county wide fund needs to be set up to hire the necessary Legal Team to apply for a Judicial Review and a possible injunction. Other Actions by EVERYONE WHO CAN 1 ) Write to Diane Wood, Chief Executive CCC 2 ) Write to Cllr Jo Stephenson 3 ) lobby your own County Councillor ---- ask them to stand firm at the South Lakes Local Committe meeting 25th June and refuse to discuss which streets and how much etc ---- ask them to return the issue to Cabinet. ( Heidi Halliday, Ambleside is already openly challenging the plan, so she is "on board" I believe there is much activity "behind the scenes" and doubtless our MP Tim Farron who has publically expressed his opposition, will be doing all he can to get this matter stopped. Above all we need the matter depoliticising ----- and every Councillor persuaded to rebel. One last point ---- there is much confusion amongst the public about who does what with respect to parking ----- so, to clarify ------ County Council DO NOT have any OFF STREET CAR PARKS ------ Car Parks in the main in Cumbria are either privately owned and run OR run by DISTRICT COUNCILS --- in this area South Lakeland DC. SO FOLKS ---- ONWARDS AND UPWARDS, Well done everyone who is actively involved in fighting this issue. davidearnshaw
  • Score: 25

3:56pm Fri 6 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

Oh dear....someone who thinks they can self-elect themselves as leader\spokesperson. How sad. What mandate do you have David Earnshaw, and from whom did you get this mandate?
Oh dear....someone who thinks they can self-elect themselves as leader\spokesperson. How sad. What mandate do you have David Earnshaw, and from whom did you get this mandate? magical trevor
  • Score: -32

4:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

davidearnshaw says...

What a miserable so and so u are magical mysterious gloomy trevor !!!! ---- time you devoted your regular pathetic critical energy to something positive ----- I AM NOT SELF ELECTING -- JUST CLARIFYING ---- AND HOPEFULLY POINTING FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SUCCESS ----
maybe you do not know --- I have served on both SLDC and CCC, so I do have some more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work, and am just trying to maximise chances of the anti succeeding ----- I bailed out of being a Councillor because I did / do not agree with the way local issues are Politicised if folks do nothing, then things will just roll on as they are ---- so -- "not very magical trevor", just go and play with the fairies in the woods, perhaps they might cast a "pleasant trevor" spell upon you and maybe you could perhaps help the cause.
What a miserable so and so u are magical mysterious gloomy trevor !!!! ---- time you devoted your regular pathetic critical energy to something positive ----- I AM NOT SELF ELECTING -- JUST CLARIFYING ---- AND HOPEFULLY POINTING FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SUCCESS ---- maybe you do not know --- I have served on both SLDC and CCC, so I do have some more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work, and am just trying to maximise chances of the anti succeeding ----- I bailed out of being a Councillor because I did / do not agree with the way local issues are Politicised if folks do nothing, then things will just roll on as they are ---- so -- "not very magical trevor", just go and play with the fairies in the woods, perhaps they might cast a "pleasant trevor" spell upon you and maybe you could perhaps help the cause. davidearnshaw
  • Score: 23

4:40pm Fri 6 Jun 14

CumbrianReiver says...

magical trevor wrote:
Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections.

By the way CumbrianReiver....I'

m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver.
Never been any public consultation. It was hidden away in the budget proposals. If there had been it would have been rejected and there wouldn't be all this fuss now.
"I' m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver"
Well there is now me awld marrer !! :-P

I actually am from Cumberland, but with my title I am trying to be a county wide unitarian :-D
There again if Lakes PC get there way and the county is split back to Cumberland & Lonsdale Land, I shall have to head back north prior to sectarianism as us Reivers do hate feudal societies. Mebbies apply for a room in that new £10+Million Guardhouse the West March Wardens are building.
Also 'The Reiver' had already been taken (probably by me years ago on here). And I couldn't spell 'WestmerianOffcomer'
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections. By the way CumbrianReiver....I' m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver.[/p][/quote]Never been any public consultation. It was hidden away in the budget proposals. If there had been it would have been rejected and there wouldn't be all this fuss now. "I' m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver" Well there is now me awld marrer !! :-P I actually am from Cumberland, but with my title I am trying to be a county wide unitarian :-D There again if Lakes PC get there way and the county is split back to Cumberland & Lonsdale Land, I shall have to head back north prior to sectarianism as us Reivers do hate feudal societies. Mebbies apply for a room in that new £10+Million Guardhouse the West March Wardens are building. Also 'The Reiver' had already been taken (probably by me years ago on here). And I couldn't spell 'WestmerianOffcomer' CumbrianReiver
  • Score: 7

4:48pm Fri 6 Jun 14

hogheaven says...

davidearnshaw wrote:
What a miserable so and so u are magical mysterious gloomy trevor !!!! ---- time you devoted your regular pathetic critical energy to something positive ----- I AM NOT SELF ELECTING -- JUST CLARIFYING ---- AND HOPEFULLY POINTING FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SUCCESS ----
maybe you do not know --- I have served on both SLDC and CCC, so I do have some more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work, and am just trying to maximise chances of the anti succeeding ----- I bailed out of being a Councillor because I did / do not agree with the way local issues are Politicised if folks do nothing, then things will just roll on as they are ---- so -- "not very magical trevor", just go and play with the fairies in the woods, perhaps they might cast a "pleasant trevor" spell upon you and maybe you could perhaps help the cause.
Back off Trevor you can be a real pain at times , we need David on our side not the other.
[quote][p][bold]davidearnshaw[/bold] wrote: What a miserable so and so u are magical mysterious gloomy trevor !!!! ---- time you devoted your regular pathetic critical energy to something positive ----- I AM NOT SELF ELECTING -- JUST CLARIFYING ---- AND HOPEFULLY POINTING FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SUCCESS ---- maybe you do not know --- I have served on both SLDC and CCC, so I do have some more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work, and am just trying to maximise chances of the anti succeeding ----- I bailed out of being a Councillor because I did / do not agree with the way local issues are Politicised if folks do nothing, then things will just roll on as they are ---- so -- "not very magical trevor", just go and play with the fairies in the woods, perhaps they might cast a "pleasant trevor" spell upon you and maybe you could perhaps help the cause.[/p][/quote]Back off Trevor you can be a real pain at times , we need David on our side not the other. hogheaven
  • Score: 14

4:52pm Fri 6 Jun 14

CumbrianReiver says...

davidearnshaw wrote:
What a miserable so and so u are magical mysterious gloomy trevor !!!! ---- time you devoted your regular pathetic critical energy to something positive ----- I AM NOT SELF ELECTING -- JUST CLARIFYING ---- AND HOPEFULLY POINTING FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SUCCESS ----
maybe you do not know --- I have served on both SLDC and CCC, so I do have some more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work, and am just trying to maximise chances of the anti succeeding ----- I bailed out of being a Councillor because I did / do not agree with the way local issues are Politicised if folks do nothing, then things will just roll on as they are ---- so -- "not very magical trevor", just go and play with the fairies in the woods, perhaps they might cast a "pleasant trevor" spell upon you and maybe you could perhaps help the cause.
And he did a pretty **** good job of stitching up wounded rugby players in his time. So gets my vote :-)
[quote][p][bold]davidearnshaw[/bold] wrote: What a miserable so and so u are magical mysterious gloomy trevor !!!! ---- time you devoted your regular pathetic critical energy to something positive ----- I AM NOT SELF ELECTING -- JUST CLARIFYING ---- AND HOPEFULLY POINTING FOLKS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR SUCCESS ---- maybe you do not know --- I have served on both SLDC and CCC, so I do have some more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work, and am just trying to maximise chances of the anti succeeding ----- I bailed out of being a Councillor because I did / do not agree with the way local issues are Politicised if folks do nothing, then things will just roll on as they are ---- so -- "not very magical trevor", just go and play with the fairies in the woods, perhaps they might cast a "pleasant trevor" spell upon you and maybe you could perhaps help the cause.[/p][/quote]And he did a pretty **** good job of stitching up wounded rugby players in his time. So gets my vote :-) CumbrianReiver
  • Score: 17

4:59pm Fri 6 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

There's always someone who is ready to jump into an un-elected position of leadership and 'guidance'.....and it's a bit of a joke when that person then sets about denigrating the rest of us who apparently have little or no knowledge of local politics. I'm really happy for you David Earnshaw, that you have "more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work"....that's really good for you.....BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ELECTED BY ANYONE from this meeting, and yet you deign to stand up and claim to speak for all who oppose these money grabbing measures being put in place by CCC. Your attitude is over bearing and incredibly belittling to those who voiced opinions and opposed the proposals.....and then you proceed to become a child in your description of me. It's probably a good thing that someone of your standing is no longer in local politics....you seem to represent yourself and not those around you.
There's always someone who is ready to jump into an un-elected position of leadership and 'guidance'.....and it's a bit of a joke when that person then sets about denigrating the rest of us who apparently have little or no knowledge of local politics. I'm really happy for you David Earnshaw, that you have "more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work"....that's really good for you.....BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ELECTED BY ANYONE from this meeting, and yet you deign to stand up and claim to speak for all who oppose these money grabbing measures being put in place by CCC. Your attitude is over bearing and incredibly belittling to those who voiced opinions and opposed the proposals.....and then you proceed to become a child in your description of me. It's probably a good thing that someone of your standing is no longer in local politics....you seem to represent yourself and not those around you. magical trevor
  • Score: -29

5:53pm Fri 6 Jun 14

twitchy says...

And you have been elected have you Trevor Troll? All the posts I have read from David Earnshaw have been positive, helpful and to the point. All I get from yours is well nothing actually. If all you can do is make pityfull comment and personal attacks on people who post on here then I suggest you take up a new hobby. That huge chip on your shoulder must be some weight to carry around!!
And you have been elected have you Trevor Troll? All the posts I have read from David Earnshaw have been positive, helpful and to the point. All I get from yours is well nothing actually. If all you can do is make pityfull comment and personal attacks on people who post on here then I suggest you take up a new hobby. That huge chip on your shoulder must be some weight to carry around!! twitchy
  • Score: 24

6:39pm Fri 6 Jun 14

CumbrianReiver says...

magical trevor wrote:
There's always someone who is ready to jump into an un-elected position of leadership and 'guidance'.....and it's a bit of a joke when that person then sets about denigrating the rest of us who apparently have little or no knowledge of local politics. I'm really happy for you David Earnshaw, that you have "more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work"....that's really good for you.....BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ELECTED BY ANYONE from this meeting, and yet you deign to stand up and claim to speak for all who oppose these money grabbing measures being put in place by CCC. Your attitude is over bearing and incredibly belittling to those who voiced opinions and opposed the proposals.....and then you proceed to become a child in your description of me. It's probably a good thing that someone of your standing is no longer in local politics....you seem to represent yourself and not those around you.
Sorry to pull you up there Magical old chap. Last nights meeting was purely the first step of a fledgling action group. There are no elections within it. It is an open forum where everyone is entitled to an opinion and give whatever advice they deem useful. Even CCC had a chance to vent.
The old doc (who along with others, trotted in from the Ambleside group to show support) has stated advice that is up on the WaBA web site & Facebook page for all to see. Nowt special or contraversial that could've fueled your initial response to his post other than your wish to have a wee trolling session for your own personal indulgance. Bit sad, but each to their own. Every board has them.
The only voting done last night was a 300+ to nil no confidence vote against CCC and our own elected CCC official. I say 300+ as it was nigh impossible to count those listening in from the car park through the fire exit doors.
So sorry to dissapoint your attempts to get a rise. The guy you're having a dig at has no mandate in Windermere. He was a very welcome guest who's pressing agenda actually lies 4 miles north of ours. But hopefully we can co-ordinate a joint effort and all add pressure to the vessel .......In an unelected kinda way of course.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: There's always someone who is ready to jump into an un-elected position of leadership and 'guidance'.....and it's a bit of a joke when that person then sets about denigrating the rest of us who apparently have little or no knowledge of local politics. I'm really happy for you David Earnshaw, that you have "more knowledge than most of the general public as to how things work"....that's really good for you.....BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ELECTED BY ANYONE from this meeting, and yet you deign to stand up and claim to speak for all who oppose these money grabbing measures being put in place by CCC. Your attitude is over bearing and incredibly belittling to those who voiced opinions and opposed the proposals.....and then you proceed to become a child in your description of me. It's probably a good thing that someone of your standing is no longer in local politics....you seem to represent yourself and not those around you.[/p][/quote]Sorry to pull you up there Magical old chap. Last nights meeting was purely the first step of a fledgling action group. There are no elections within it. It is an open forum where everyone is entitled to an opinion and give whatever advice they deem useful. Even CCC had a chance to vent. The old doc (who along with others, trotted in from the Ambleside group to show support) has stated advice that is up on the WaBA web site & Facebook page for all to see. Nowt special or contraversial that could've fueled your initial response to his post other than your wish to have a wee trolling session for your own personal indulgance. Bit sad, but each to their own. Every board has them. The only voting done last night was a 300+ to nil no confidence vote against CCC and our own elected CCC official. I say 300+ as it was nigh impossible to count those listening in from the car park through the fire exit doors. So sorry to dissapoint your attempts to get a rise. The guy you're having a dig at has no mandate in Windermere. He was a very welcome guest who's pressing agenda actually lies 4 miles north of ours. But hopefully we can co-ordinate a joint effort and all add pressure to the vessel .......In an unelected kinda way of course. CumbrianReiver
  • Score: 21

8:46pm Fri 6 Jun 14

SteveISITFAIR says...

So magical me old mucker I guess you've been unanimously outvoted - and so then to bed to leave this areas fortunes in the hands of those so qualified to look after it. This is of course quite other than the local party supporting (and therefore useless) politicos whom have made a complete dogs dinner of the issue (at least this issue) from the outset. (for pitys sake guys please please please get rid of them at the earliest opportunity)
Positive, helpful comments only please if you dont mind magical !
So magical me old mucker I guess you've been unanimously outvoted - and so then to bed to leave this areas fortunes in the hands of those so qualified to look after it. This is of course quite other than the local party supporting (and therefore useless) politicos whom have made a complete dogs dinner of the issue (at least this issue) from the outset. (for pitys sake guys please please please get rid of them at the earliest opportunity) Positive, helpful comments only please if you dont mind magical ! SteveISITFAIR
  • Score: 10

9:45pm Fri 6 Jun 14

onelocal says...

SteveISITFAIR wrote:
So magical me old mucker I guess you've been unanimously outvoted - and so then to bed to leave this areas fortunes in the hands of those so qualified to look after it. This is of course quite other than the local party supporting (and therefore useless) politicos whom have made a complete dogs dinner of the issue (at least this issue) from the outset. (for pitys sake guys please please please get rid of them at the earliest opportunity)
Positive, helpful comments only please if you dont mind magical !
Mystical Trevor has always been an apologist for the local Lib Dems, who let's not forget are in bed with Labour at the County Council. I often wonder whether he is a Lib Dem councillor in disguise, so obvious is his unreserved, subservient support for their policies whatever damage they do to South Lakes. The SLDC Lib Dems have been silent in any condemnation of the on street parking charges planned by mostly the very same double dippers on Cumbria County Council, despite their own MPs own condemnation. Sounds like an election coming up.
[quote][p][bold]SteveISITFAIR[/bold] wrote: So magical me old mucker I guess you've been unanimously outvoted - and so then to bed to leave this areas fortunes in the hands of those so qualified to look after it. This is of course quite other than the local party supporting (and therefore useless) politicos whom have made a complete dogs dinner of the issue (at least this issue) from the outset. (for pitys sake guys please please please get rid of them at the earliest opportunity) Positive, helpful comments only please if you dont mind magical ![/p][/quote]Mystical Trevor has always been an apologist for the local Lib Dems, who let's not forget are in bed with Labour at the County Council. I often wonder whether he is a Lib Dem councillor in disguise, so obvious is his unreserved, subservient support for their policies whatever damage they do to South Lakes. The SLDC Lib Dems have been silent in any condemnation of the on street parking charges planned by mostly the very same double dippers on Cumbria County Council, despite their own MPs own condemnation. Sounds like an election coming up. onelocal
  • Score: 13

2:24am Sat 7 Jun 14

life cycle too says...

Tesco have a slogan which is very apt if applied to local traders...
YOU SHOP, WE DROP.
I was enjoying a meal at The Britannia Inn in Elterwater when a TESCO van pulled up to deliver somebody's shopping - good news for the Chapel Stile CO-OP?
With all manner of goods able to be delivered to your door, why on earth would the majority of shoppers want to pay CCC or SLDC to continue to shop in our small (or large) towns at a time clearly identified by CCC, when every penny counts???
If residents more than walking distance from the local shops DO decide to drive to shop, then the retail parks with free parking are going to win hands down.
I gather Joe stephenson is quite able to walk to the shops from his home - and even if he wasn't, his £16,000 of CCC allowances would go someway to enabling him to pay the parking charges he and his supporters are proposing, but the rest of the public who are watching every penny will forego the parking charge, as shoppers did in droves when K Village tried to charge for parking that was previously free.
Tesco have a slogan which is very apt if applied to local traders... YOU SHOP, WE DROP. I was enjoying a meal at The Britannia Inn in Elterwater when a TESCO van pulled up to deliver somebody's shopping - good news for the Chapel Stile CO-OP? With all manner of goods able to be delivered to your door, why on earth would the majority of shoppers want to pay CCC or SLDC to continue to shop in our small (or large) towns at a time clearly identified by CCC, when every penny counts??? If residents more than walking distance from the local shops DO decide to drive to shop, then the retail parks with free parking are going to win hands down. I gather Joe stephenson is quite able to walk to the shops from his home - and even if he wasn't, his £16,000 of CCC allowances would go someway to enabling him to pay the parking charges he and his supporters are proposing, but the rest of the public who are watching every penny will forego the parking charge, as shoppers did in droves when K Village tried to charge for parking that was previously free. life cycle too
  • Score: 14

5:40am Sat 7 Jun 14

Grumpyoldbiker says...

life cycle too wrote:
Tesco have a slogan which is very apt if applied to local traders...
YOU SHOP, WE DROP.
I was enjoying a meal at The Britannia Inn in Elterwater when a TESCO van pulled up to deliver somebody's shopping - good news for the Chapel Stile CO-OP?
With all manner of goods able to be delivered to your door, why on earth would the majority of shoppers want to pay CCC or SLDC to continue to shop in our small (or large) towns at a time clearly identified by CCC, when every penny counts???
If residents more than walking distance from the local shops DO decide to drive to shop, then the retail parks with free parking are going to win hands down.
I gather Joe stephenson is quite able to walk to the shops from his home - and even if he wasn't, his £16,000 of CCC allowances would go someway to enabling him to pay the parking charges he and his supporters are proposing, but the rest of the public who are watching every penny will forego the parking charge, as shoppers did in droves when K Village tried to charge for parking that was previously free.
It would be quite simple to have a scheme where the first hour is free, (using the current time cards available as in Appleby, etc), then up to 4 hours for £1 via a ticket. That would give people time to visit one or two shops, post office, chemist, library.

What worries me is that CCC will employ an army of draconian payment enforcers and drivers decide to go elsewhere. These employees or contractors will need to be paid so their enforcement tactics get more extreme. This creates a bad feeling and resentment . Other authorities are using camera cars or making the signs difficult to read until you get there. You find you are not supposed to stop there. Too late, caught and you get a ticket. Do we want this sort of system here? Really.
[quote][p][bold]life cycle too[/bold] wrote: Tesco have a slogan which is very apt if applied to local traders... YOU SHOP, WE DROP. I was enjoying a meal at The Britannia Inn in Elterwater when a TESCO van pulled up to deliver somebody's shopping - good news for the Chapel Stile CO-OP? With all manner of goods able to be delivered to your door, why on earth would the majority of shoppers want to pay CCC or SLDC to continue to shop in our small (or large) towns at a time clearly identified by CCC, when every penny counts??? If residents more than walking distance from the local shops DO decide to drive to shop, then the retail parks with free parking are going to win hands down. I gather Joe stephenson is quite able to walk to the shops from his home - and even if he wasn't, his £16,000 of CCC allowances would go someway to enabling him to pay the parking charges he and his supporters are proposing, but the rest of the public who are watching every penny will forego the parking charge, as shoppers did in droves when K Village tried to charge for parking that was previously free.[/p][/quote]It would be quite simple to have a scheme where the first hour is free, (using the current time cards available as in Appleby, etc), then up to 4 hours for £1 via a ticket. That would give people time to visit one or two shops, post office, chemist, library. What worries me is that CCC will employ an army of draconian payment enforcers and drivers decide to go elsewhere. These employees or contractors will need to be paid so their enforcement tactics get more extreme. This creates a bad feeling and resentment . Other authorities are using camera cars or making the signs difficult to read until you get there. You find you are not supposed to stop there. Too late, caught and you get a ticket. Do we want this sort of system here? Really. Grumpyoldbiker
  • Score: 14

9:44am Sat 7 Jun 14

Lakesbloke says...

All this is about as average as I have come to expect from CCC - good set of initials really - Clowns Cuckoos and whatever other epithet you'd like to use the third C for! The people on the ground try their best but lions led by donkeys is the phrase that springs to mind. Zero thought given to economic impact, the budget consultations - I've looked at them and I haven't time tio decpher it all. ALL the Councils, county, district and Nat Pk should all look to go back to basics. Chief Exec of CCC on £170K, would the job be done any less well on £125K and employ 2 more people?
All this is about as average as I have come to expect from CCC - good set of initials really - Clowns Cuckoos and whatever other epithet you'd like to use the third C for! The people on the ground try their best but lions led by donkeys is the phrase that springs to mind. Zero thought given to economic impact, the budget consultations - I've looked at them and I haven't time tio decpher it all. ALL the Councils, county, district and Nat Pk should all look to go back to basics. Chief Exec of CCC on £170K, would the job be done any less well on £125K and employ 2 more people? Lakesbloke
  • Score: 6

10:07am Sat 7 Jun 14

life cycle too says...

Actually after the debacle of departing Chief Exec Jill Stannards £400,000 pay out, the position now has a £140,000 pay scale, not £170 000.
They claim they need to pay these amounts to get the quality of applicant they need - yet time and time again the holders of the post leave after failing in the job, and each time go with a huge golden handshake in order to get them to go quietly.
Remember Louis Victory, a former raider of the council coffers? It's not a recent phenomenon!
In contrast the Town and parish councillors do their jobs for FREE, and in Windermere to my certain knowledge, do not take up the allowances they are legally entitled to.
Actually after the debacle of departing Chief Exec Jill Stannards £400,000 pay out, the position now has a £140,000 pay scale, not £170 000. They claim they need to pay these amounts to get the quality of applicant they need - yet time and time again the holders of the post leave after failing in the job, and each time go with a huge golden handshake in order to get them to go quietly. Remember Louis Victory, a former raider of the council coffers? It's not a recent phenomenon! In contrast the Town and parish councillors do their jobs for FREE, and in Windermere to my certain knowledge, do not take up the allowances they are legally entitled to. life cycle too
  • Score: 6

10:20am Sat 7 Jun 14

SteveISITFAIR says...

And of course these CEOs etc, if they were any good at all or to anybody, would be working in private industry where they could put their doubtfull skills to use. The new CEO at CCC one Dianne Wood is nothing other than a puppet, emplaced by Cllrs for their own ends and for their own protections. She was "phsycometrically tested" you know, maybe they should have thought to plug the machine in firstly !
And of course these CEOs etc, if they were any good at all or to anybody, would be working in private industry where they could put their doubtfull skills to use. The new CEO at CCC one Dianne Wood is nothing other than a puppet, emplaced by Cllrs for their own ends and for their own protections. She was "phsycometrically tested" you know, maybe they should have thought to plug the machine in firstly ! SteveISITFAIR
  • Score: 7

10:21am Sat 7 Jun 14

life cycle too says...

magical trevor wrote:
Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections.

By the way CumbrianReiver....I'

m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver.
I am sure that if people failed to respond to the consultation, it was either because it was not publicised at the time, that we could not trust a local county councillor to act in the best interests of his electorate, and instead stab them in the back by leaping into this.
Ditto the chance to elect somebody else into the position.

I don't think they will make the same mistake again, already in the most recent election, the turn out was higher!
I think most of the people at the meeting would not trust Joe Stephenson to tell them the correct time of day now.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Why did none of those who now worry about on street parking charges complain when they had the chance when this went to public consultation? I bet hardly any of them took the opportunity to do so....as hardly any of them took the opportunity to change the colour of the local council at the recent elections. By the way CumbrianReiver....I' m not sure there was ever a Cumbrian Reiver, or a Reiver from Cumbria? Surely it should be CumberlandReiver.[/p][/quote]I am sure that if people failed to respond to the consultation, it was either because it was not publicised at the time, that we could not trust a local county councillor to act in the best interests of his electorate, and instead stab them in the back by leaping into this. Ditto the chance to elect somebody else into the position. I don't think they will make the same mistake again, already in the most recent election, the turn out was higher! I think most of the people at the meeting would not trust Joe Stephenson to tell them the correct time of day now. life cycle too
  • Score: 10

12:15pm Sat 7 Jun 14

give-up says...

With fewer than 450,000 residents across Cumbria we must be the most over-governed people in the land. We've one County Council, 6 District Councils and 2 National Parks covering our boundaries, each with their Councillors, Members, CEOs, Finance Directors, HR and other specialists on mega salaries and/or expenses. If we have to make massive savings maybe now is the time to sort the lot out, and replace it with a Unitary Authority supported by the existing local parish and town councils.
With fewer than 450,000 residents across Cumbria we must be the most over-governed people in the land. We've one County Council, 6 District Councils and 2 National Parks covering our boundaries, each with their Councillors, Members, CEOs, Finance Directors, HR and other specialists on mega salaries and/or expenses. If we have to make massive savings maybe now is the time to sort the lot out, and replace it with a Unitary Authority supported by the existing local parish and town councils. give-up
  • Score: 25

2:49pm Sat 7 Jun 14

Lakesbloke says...

My mistake, hadn't heard they had gone so cheap on the CEO front! Tell you what in a "Race to the bottom" I'll do the job of CEO for £90K, that gives another £50K to employ some worker bees and I'll be John Wayne in style. Rough, Tough and I won't take no **** of anybody. I agree with Re Cycle too re comments about Parish & Town Councillors. doing it for nowt, don't take allowances and get grief from fellow members of the community because none of the statutory bodies above the parish/town councils can be bothered to do their jobs!
My mistake, hadn't heard they had gone so cheap on the CEO front! Tell you what in a "Race to the bottom" I'll do the job of CEO for £90K, that gives another £50K to employ some worker bees and I'll be John Wayne in style. Rough, Tough and I won't take no **** of anybody. I agree with Re Cycle too re comments about Parish & Town Councillors. doing it for nowt, don't take allowances and get grief from fellow members of the community because none of the statutory bodies above the parish/town councils can be bothered to do their jobs! Lakesbloke
  • Score: 9

1:44pm Mon 9 Jun 14

maggieann2luke says...

Thinling of getting a horse and cart. Would I have to pay to park that up while I collected my prescriptions? Come September our bus service ends due to cutbacks which will non- driving residents basically housebound. They don't matter to CCC and neither do the council tax paying drivers. CCC don't seem to care about the impact this ludicrous scheme will have on businesses either.
Nothing else matters to CCC as long as they can have their excessive salaries and a posh new ivory tower, sorry office block.
Thinling of getting a horse and cart. Would I have to pay to park that up while I collected my prescriptions? Come September our bus service ends due to cutbacks which will non- driving residents basically housebound. They don't matter to CCC and neither do the council tax paying drivers. CCC don't seem to care about the impact this ludicrous scheme will have on businesses either. Nothing else matters to CCC as long as they can have their excessive salaries and a posh new ivory tower, sorry office block. maggieann2luke
  • Score: 5

1:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

magical trevor says...

There are alot of misinformed statements on here, from people who think they know what they're talking about. For example, SteveISITFAIR....you have no idea what the job of Chief Exec of a local authority entails....and I make no apologies for their failures. Do some proper research before you tar them all with the same brush.

life cycle too.....the consultation was very well publicised actually....if you bothered to look and take an interest in your local area. It was in local papers, websites and offices. Again....misinformed
.

We all love to moan and complain about stuff that goes on around us, especially when it comes to politics. We ALL had the chance to change things in May when we were given the opportunity to vote in local elections....and like the apathetic bunch that we are, we voted along party lines as usual....and then what happens? We all moan and complain that nothing has changed. Why did less than 40% of us vote if we were really that bothered about our communities and the decisions being taken on our behalf by county and local councils? It's out own fault at the end of the day...we voted them in last time, we could have voted them out if we'd been bothered to in May...BUT WE DIDN'T!!!

life cycle too.....You're wrong about the numbers that turned out to vote. It may have been higher than the national average, but it was still low by any standards. How are we to change things if we don't use the only tool that we have to challenge those who we previously voted for....OUR VOTE.

Lakesbloke.....you sound like the type of person that will never feel that you're truly represented by the councils that govern the local areas....you're derisive comments pay tribute to that. Now I don't agree for one second that CCC are much cop when it comes to governing anything South of Carlisle....they are far too North Cumbria-centric for my liking.....but name calling isn't really helpful. Did you use your vote in May?....probably not!
There are alot of misinformed statements on here, from people who think they know what they're talking about. For example, SteveISITFAIR....you have no idea what the job of Chief Exec of a local authority entails....and I make no apologies for their failures. Do some proper research before you tar them all with the same brush. life cycle too.....the consultation was very well publicised actually....if you bothered to look and take an interest in your local area. It was in local papers, websites and offices. Again....misinformed . We all love to moan and complain about stuff that goes on around us, especially when it comes to politics. We ALL had the chance to change things in May when we were given the opportunity to vote in local elections....and like the apathetic bunch that we are, we voted along party lines as usual....and then what happens? We all moan and complain that nothing has changed. Why did less than 40% of us vote if we were really that bothered about our communities and the decisions being taken on our behalf by county and local councils? It's out own fault at the end of the day...we voted them in last time, we could have voted them out if we'd been bothered to in May...BUT WE DIDN'T!!! life cycle too.....You're wrong about the numbers that turned out to vote. It may have been higher than the national average, but it was still low by any standards. How are we to change things if we don't use the only tool that we have to challenge those who we previously voted for....OUR VOTE. Lakesbloke.....you sound like the type of person that will never feel that you're truly represented by the councils that govern the local areas....you're derisive comments pay tribute to that. Now I don't agree for one second that CCC are much cop when it comes to governing anything South of Carlisle....they are far too North Cumbria-centric for my liking.....but name calling isn't really helpful. Did you use your vote in May?....probably not! magical trevor
  • Score: -3

3:52pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Spotty Fish says...

For once magic, I have to agree with much of what you say. We do seem to be an apathetic bunch of old whiners, but when it comes down to it not many of us get off our backsides and vote, and those that do just vote the same idiots back in.

However I must disagree with you on the amount of publicity that was given to the on street parking proposals. It was, whether intentionally or not, fairly well buried in all the paperwork that was put out by CCC. It was almost as if they knew the uproar that would follow when people realised what was happening. I may be wrong trev, but the feeling I get is that you are closely connected with the council in some way. Either that or you have much more time on your hands to go through these council proposals when they are published, than the rest of us mere non magical mortals. So, on this occasion i don't think it should be beyond you to understand peoples very strong feelings about on street parking, and the fact that many of us feel duped by our representatives and council.
For once magic, I have to agree with much of what you say. We do seem to be an apathetic bunch of old whiners, but when it comes down to it not many of us get off our backsides and vote, and those that do just vote the same idiots back in. However I must disagree with you on the amount of publicity that was given to the on street parking proposals. It was, whether intentionally or not, fairly well buried in all the paperwork that was put out by CCC. It was almost as if they knew the uproar that would follow when people realised what was happening. I may be wrong trev, but the feeling I get is that you are closely connected with the council in some way. Either that or you have much more time on your hands to go through these council proposals when they are published, than the rest of us mere non magical mortals. So, on this occasion i don't think it should be beyond you to understand peoples very strong feelings about on street parking, and the fact that many of us feel duped by our representatives and council. Spotty Fish
  • Score: 5

9:23am Tue 10 Jun 14

Lakesbloke says...

magical trevor wrote:
There are alot of misinformed statements on here, from people who think they know what they're talking about. For example, SteveISITFAIR....you have no idea what the job of Chief Exec of a local authority entails....and I make no apologies for their failures. Do some proper research before you tar them all with the same brush.

life cycle too.....the consultation was very well publicised actually....if you bothered to look and take an interest in your local area. It was in local papers, websites and offices. Again....misinformed

.

We all love to moan and complain about stuff that goes on around us, especially when it comes to politics. We ALL had the chance to change things in May when we were given the opportunity to vote in local elections....and like the apathetic bunch that we are, we voted along party lines as usual....and then what happens? We all moan and complain that nothing has changed. Why did less than 40% of us vote if we were really that bothered about our communities and the decisions being taken on our behalf by county and local councils? It's out own fault at the end of the day...we voted them in last time, we could have voted them out if we'd been bothered to in May...BUT WE DIDN'T!!!

life cycle too.....You're wrong about the numbers that turned out to vote. It may have been higher than the national average, but it was still low by any standards. How are we to change things if we don't use the only tool that we have to challenge those who we previously voted for....OUR VOTE.

Lakesbloke.....you sound like the type of person that will never feel that you're truly represented by the councils that govern the local areas....you're derisive comments pay tribute to that. Now I don't agree for one second that CCC are much cop when it comes to governing anything South of Carlisle....they are far too North Cumbria-centric for my liking.....but name calling isn't really helpful. Did you use your vote in May?....probably not!
Thanks Magical Trevor for crysallising your thoughts. Actually I DID vote in May, although given that there was so much choice it was disappointing that there was so little choice! As for whether or not I feel truly represented, the beauty of the potential anonimity of this is that you don't know who I am, what I do or where I'm from. I do believe in the representation fo the people by Councils, I sit on one, democratically elected by the community. I also have first hand experience of the shambolic carry-on that CCC is and that is where my comments stem from.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: There are alot of misinformed statements on here, from people who think they know what they're talking about. For example, SteveISITFAIR....you have no idea what the job of Chief Exec of a local authority entails....and I make no apologies for their failures. Do some proper research before you tar them all with the same brush. life cycle too.....the consultation was very well publicised actually....if you bothered to look and take an interest in your local area. It was in local papers, websites and offices. Again....misinformed . We all love to moan and complain about stuff that goes on around us, especially when it comes to politics. We ALL had the chance to change things in May when we were given the opportunity to vote in local elections....and like the apathetic bunch that we are, we voted along party lines as usual....and then what happens? We all moan and complain that nothing has changed. Why did less than 40% of us vote if we were really that bothered about our communities and the decisions being taken on our behalf by county and local councils? It's out own fault at the end of the day...we voted them in last time, we could have voted them out if we'd been bothered to in May...BUT WE DIDN'T!!! life cycle too.....You're wrong about the numbers that turned out to vote. It may have been higher than the national average, but it was still low by any standards. How are we to change things if we don't use the only tool that we have to challenge those who we previously voted for....OUR VOTE. Lakesbloke.....you sound like the type of person that will never feel that you're truly represented by the councils that govern the local areas....you're derisive comments pay tribute to that. Now I don't agree for one second that CCC are much cop when it comes to governing anything South of Carlisle....they are far too North Cumbria-centric for my liking.....but name calling isn't really helpful. Did you use your vote in May?....probably not![/p][/quote]Thanks Magical Trevor for crysallising your thoughts. Actually I DID vote in May, although given that there was so much choice it was disappointing that there was so little choice! As for whether or not I feel truly represented, the beauty of the potential anonimity of this is that you don't know who I am, what I do or where I'm from. I do believe in the representation fo the people by Councils, I sit on one, democratically elected by the community. I also have first hand experience of the shambolic carry-on that CCC is and that is where my comments stem from. Lakesbloke
  • Score: 5

3:07am Thu 12 Jun 14

life cycle too says...

I participated in the consultation regarding On Street parking, along with many others - and the county council elected to follow it's predetermined choice, and ignore proposals put forwards from within the county council. Even opposition from our MP Tim Farron was ignored - but of course a lot of people DIDN'T notice the notices about it, and some that did thought that the people representing them were bright enough to see sense and boot out the proposal.
Looking through the County Council minutes, it appears even the councillors could not agree on what their proposals were - the figures given for the prospective costs for a residents parking permit changed several times, going as high as £25 before being settled at £20.
£10 of that is to cover the cost of administration!!
On the map showing the locations of the streets affected, the county cannot even spell the word LOCATION correctly... sums up the County Council really!
FINALLY last night (Wednesday), Joe Stephenson has assured Windermere Town Council that he expects the Local Area Committee to scale back the plans to just The Glebe Road in Bowness... but in doing so ignores the warning from the County Council elsewhere that the full council will override any local area committee that attempts to ignore the full council's policy!
Either he is misinformed about the powers of the LAC, or he is being deliberately misleading!
I participated in the consultation regarding On Street parking, along with many others - and the county council elected to follow it's predetermined choice, and ignore proposals put forwards from within the county council. Even opposition from our MP Tim Farron was ignored - but of course a lot of people DIDN'T notice the notices about it, and some that did thought that the people representing them were bright enough to see sense and boot out the proposal. Looking through the County Council minutes, it appears even the councillors could not agree on what their proposals were - the figures given for the prospective costs for a residents parking permit changed several times, going as high as £25 before being settled at £20. £10 of that is to cover the cost of administration!! On the map showing the locations of the streets affected, the county cannot even spell the word LOCATION correctly... sums up the County Council really! FINALLY last night (Wednesday), Joe Stephenson has assured Windermere Town Council that he expects the Local Area Committee to scale back the plans to just The Glebe Road in Bowness... but in doing so ignores the warning from the County Council elsewhere that the full council will override any local area committee that attempts to ignore the full council's policy! Either he is misinformed about the powers of the LAC, or he is being deliberately misleading! life cycle too
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10:05pm Fri 27 Jun 14

twitchy says...

life cycle too wrote:
I participated in the consultation regarding On Street parking, along with many others - and the county council elected to follow it's predetermined choice, and ignore proposals put forwards from within the county council. Even opposition from our MP Tim Farron was ignored - but of course a lot of people DIDN'T notice the notices about it, and some that did thought that the people representing them were bright enough to see sense and boot out the proposal.
Looking through the County Council minutes, it appears even the councillors could not agree on what their proposals were - the figures given for the prospective costs for a residents parking permit changed several times, going as high as £25 before being settled at £20.
£10 of that is to cover the cost of administration!!
On the map showing the locations of the streets affected, the county cannot even spell the word LOCATION correctly... sums up the County Council really!
FINALLY last night (Wednesday), Joe Stephenson has assured Windermere Town Council that he expects the Local Area Committee to scale back the plans to just The Glebe Road in Bowness... but in doing so ignores the warning from the County Council elsewhere that the full council will override any local area committee that attempts to ignore the full council's policy!
Either he is misinformed about the powers of the LAC, or he is being deliberately misleading!
Or he is ''misguided, delusional, and hysterical''.
[quote][p][bold]life cycle too[/bold] wrote: I participated in the consultation regarding On Street parking, along with many others - and the county council elected to follow it's predetermined choice, and ignore proposals put forwards from within the county council. Even opposition from our MP Tim Farron was ignored - but of course a lot of people DIDN'T notice the notices about it, and some that did thought that the people representing them were bright enough to see sense and boot out the proposal. Looking through the County Council minutes, it appears even the councillors could not agree on what their proposals were - the figures given for the prospective costs for a residents parking permit changed several times, going as high as £25 before being settled at £20. £10 of that is to cover the cost of administration!! On the map showing the locations of the streets affected, the county cannot even spell the word LOCATION correctly... sums up the County Council really! FINALLY last night (Wednesday), Joe Stephenson has assured Windermere Town Council that he expects the Local Area Committee to scale back the plans to just The Glebe Road in Bowness... but in doing so ignores the warning from the County Council elsewhere that the full council will override any local area committee that attempts to ignore the full council's policy! Either he is misinformed about the powers of the LAC, or he is being deliberately misleading![/p][/quote]Or he is ''misguided, delusional, and hysterical''. twitchy
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