Sainsbury's signs deal for Kendal store (From The Westmorland Gazette)

Dont think either should open a large superstore...but would love a Sainsbury,s Central or Tesco Local at the north end of town Kirkland or in the K Village.

A good large convenience store open till late.. there used to shops in Ayman Road, Kirkland and even behind in Kirkbarrow now if you run out of anything you have to drive out of town.

I think i'd prefer a Tesco, don't think I would use a sainsburys.

When Sainsbury's or Tesco open up it will be the death of Kendal town centre. It seems appalling to me that local planners are unable to act in the local interest to resist the dominance of these greedy firms. They don't provide more jobs or attract more business, they just take customers and jobs from other generally smaller firms.

I cannot believe that anyone in their right mind would consider putting a 90,000 sq ft supermarket, almost twice the size of Morrisons, or ASDA, plus flats, a hotel, as well as Gilkes in the Canal Head site. All this, plus the necessary car park areas. Whatever road improvements are made, anything that involves Blackhall Road, New Road and Aynam Road will be a disaster as far as traffic flow is concerned. On a busy Saturday, even traffic from the municipal waste site can back up at the Miller Bridge junction.
Rather than being better for Kendal, this proposal, which will probably not happen for some years once, and if, planning approval is approved, seems somewhat opportunistic to me.

lendempsey wrote:
Dont think either should open a large superstore...but would love a Sainsbury,s Central or Tesco Local at the north end of town Kirkland or in the K Village.

A good large convenience store open till late.. there used to shops in Ayman Road, Kirkland and even behind in Kirkbarrow now if you run out of anything you have to drive out of town.

I've been saying for ages they should put a small Tesco Express in K Village.

As a young person who has lived in Kendal all my life, I get sick of people complaining about developments in this town! Creating a new superstore will bring more jobs to a town which is already in a good position in terms of unemployment. I look at the stores in town now, and the main reason shops in town have shut is because of the Internet. Morrisons and asda are busy enough and a sainsburys I feel will only help bring investment to the town and more employment! Shops in town will not suffer to much as it is a busy market town. People need to move with the times.

zaney5 wrote:

lendempsey wrote:
Dont think either should open a large superstore...but would love a Sainsbury,s Central or Tesco Local at the north end of town Kirkland or in the K Village.

A good large convenience store open till late.. there used to shops in Ayman Road, Kirkland and even behind in Kirkbarrow now if you run out of anything you have to drive out of town.

I've been saying for ages they should put a small Tesco Express in K Village.

So a new supermarket will mean people need to eat more and buy more food. Are you sure? If people choose to shop at Sainsbury's another business will lose the custom. In the same way, a job 'created' at Sainsbury's will mean a job lost, possibly at a locally owned business in the town centre. Supermarkets don't create jobs, they just take them from somewhere else.

Adamrules wrote:
As a young person who has lived in Kendal all my life, I get sick of people complaining about developments in this town! Creating a new superstore will bring more jobs to a town which is already in a good position in terms of unemployment. I look at the stores in town now, and the main reason shops in town have shut is because of the Internet. Morrisons and asda are busy enough and a sainsburys I feel will only help bring investment to the town and more employment! Shops in town will not suffer to much as it is a busy market town. People need to move with the times.

Don't get me wrong. Nothing wrong with development, but any new superstore should be Sainsburys on the rugby club site. It's up to Sainsburys to work out whether they are viable against Morrisons and ASDA.
One more supermarket will not effect in-town shops, but going with the Sainsbury option will ensure we have a viable rugby club for future generations, as well as ensuring we don't clog up the town center with traffic.

Sainsbury's rules!

I will still do most of my shopping in the town centre, simply because it's a whole lot easier for me to walk to Booths, veg shop, Iceland etc than drive out of town.

I'm looking forward to the possibility of a decent gym in the town at the new rugby club facility. Much needed since Highgate gym closed due to yet more flat conversions.

Gingery wrote:
I will still do most of my shopping in the town centre, simply because it's a whole lot easier for me to walk to Booths, veg shop, Iceland etc than drive out of town.

I'm looking forward to the possibility of a decent gym in the town at the new rugby club facility. Much needed since Highgate gym closed due to yet more flat conversions.

Is it really a lot easier? The Sainsburys would be built at the Rugby Club, which is definitely within walking distance.

You do realise the new Rugby Club would be built at Oxenholme Road, near Kendal Parks? So this wouldn't be anywhere near the Town centre, which I assume you are referring too when you say "In the town".

The Council should stipulate, that which ever supermarket wins this battle, has to pay for a northern relief road. Without a road linking Plumgarths to Shap road, then Kendal's woeful traffic system will be unable to cope with the extra traffic generated by a new supermarket.

dominic.blakey wrote:

Gingery wrote:
I will still do most of my shopping in the town centre, simply because it's a whole lot easier for me to walk to Booths, veg shop, Iceland etc than drive out of town.

I'm looking forward to the possibility of a decent gym in the town at the new rugby club facility. Much needed since Highgate gym closed due to yet more flat conversions.

Is it really a lot easier? The Sainsburys would be built at the Rugby Club, which is definitely within walking distance.

You do realise the new Rugby Club would be built at Oxenholme Road, near Kendal Parks? So this wouldn't be anywhere near the Town centre, which I assume you are referring too when you say "In the town".

Yes I am many times much closer to the town centre than ASDA, Morrisons and the proposed Sainsburys sites (they are not within sensible walking distance for me).

If the gym has the facilities I require (which current ones are failing to fulfill fully), I will be prepared to cycle up there a lot less hassle than driving in this town.

They should really change the poll on the homepage to ask (in a way that doesn't discriminate) "which would you prefer, a Sainsburys or Tesco?"

More consumer choice. I like Sainsburys.

Your spelling is awful! The title says ''Sainsury's''. not Sainsbury's... Just last week Cartmel was written Carmel. Do you need a proof reader at your offices??

tictoc1 wrote:
More consumer choice. I like Sainsburys.

Less consumer choice, because the arrival of Sainsbury's will result in the likely disappearance of a number of independent shops and/or one of the other supermarkets.

just to set everybodys mind at ease.... sainsburys are less likely to open a store on the current rugby ground as, the rugby club have a hope of even kicking a ball at strawberry fields! both projects will NEVER go ahead!! sainsburys are becoming almost as arrogant as the rugby club with this self promoting greedy project. both are obviously so up themselves as to not notice the strong local objections, so strong in fact that like i say..."never gonna happen".

taigum wrote:
just to set everybodys mind at ease.... sainsburys are less likely to open a store on the current rugby ground as, the rugby club have a hope of even kicking a ball at strawberry fields! both projects will NEVER go ahead!! sainsburys are becoming almost as arrogant as the rugby club with this self promoting greedy project. both are obviously so up themselves as to not notice the strong local objections, so strong in fact that like i say..."never gonna happen".

I think it will happen. If the rugby club are going to get the much needed facilities they need, then it's only a matter of time. It worked for morecambe football club.

taigum wrote:
just to set everybodys mind at ease.... sainsburys are less likely to open a store on the current rugby ground as, the rugby club have a hope of even kicking a ball at strawberry fields! both projects will NEVER go ahead!! sainsburys are becoming almost as arrogant as the rugby club with this self promoting greedy project. both are obviously so up themselves as to not notice the strong local objections, so strong in fact that like i say..."never gonna happen".

I think it will happen. If the rugby club are going to get the much needed facilities they need, then it's only a matter of time. It worked for morecambe football club.

taigum wrote:
just to set everybodys mind at ease.... sainsburys are less likely to open a store on the current rugby ground as, the rugby club have a hope of even kicking a ball at strawberry fields! both projects will NEVER go ahead!! sainsburys are becoming almost as arrogant as the rugby club with this self promoting greedy project. both are obviously so up themselves as to not notice the strong local objections, so strong in fact that like i say..."never gonna happen".

I think it will happen. If the rugby club are going to get the much needed facilities they need, then it's only a matter of time. It worked for morecambe football club.

taigum wrote:
just to set everybodys mind at ease.... sainsburys are less likely to open a store on the current rugby ground as, the rugby club have a hope of even kicking a ball at strawberry fields! both projects will NEVER go ahead!! sainsburys are becoming almost as arrogant as the rugby club with this self promoting greedy project. both are obviously so up themselves as to not notice the strong local objections, so strong in fact that like i say..."never gonna happen".

I think it will happen. If the rugby club are going to get the much needed facilities they need, then it's only a matter of time. It worked for morecambe football club.

Adamrules must be a civil servant - does everything in triplicate!!

Have not seen strong local objection,surely it gives shoppers more choice and also creates more jobs.

taigum wrote:
just to set everybodys mind at ease.... sainsburys are less likely to open a store on the current rugby ground as, the rugby club have a hope of even kicking a ball at strawberry fields! both projects will NEVER go ahead!! sainsburys are becoming almost as arrogant as the rugby club with this self promoting greedy project. both are obviously so up themselves as to not notice the strong local objections, so strong in fact that like i say..."never gonna happen".

I think it will happen. If the rugby club are going to get the much needed facilities they need, then it's only a matter of time. It worked for morecambe football club.

Stupid website froze on me and I clicked submit a few times! Whoops

Cyclelogical wrote:

tictoc1 wrote: More consumer choice. I like Sainsburys.

Less consumer choice, because the arrival of Sainsbury's will result in the likely disappearance of a number of independent shops and/or one of the other supermarkets.

It will lead to more consumer choice. Yes it will have an impact on Morrisons & Asda but it won't force one of them to close. When Morrisons opened, it didn't force Asda to close. Perhaps it will have more of an impact on the town centre shops, but a vast majority of people shop on the outskirts of Kendal to save themselves from heading to the centre of town.

Kendal simply cannot support another big supermarket.

You may think Kendal is a busy place but I have lived in a fair few towns and, even on a Saturday afternoon, ASDA and Morrisons in Kendal are NEVER as busy as most in other towns. There aren't enough consumers in Kendal to make a Sainsbury's or Tesco viable considering the costs.
Kendal 'looks' busy on a Friday and Saturday because of the woeful traffic system - which will only get worse. Both ASDA and Morrisons are currently situated in 'out of town' areas in order to ease traffic congestion - with a town like Kendal this is the only way, unless they plan on bulldozing half of it to build new roads. If there are problems with getting public transport to these areas then maybe that needs addressing but the only right thing for the centre of town would be a small Spar or Co-op type shop with late opening.

Plus, a site like Canal Head Tesco would not touch with a bargepole - they like to build on greenfield sites.

Have Tesco ever officially confirmed they want to build at Canal Head.. I know the MD of Gilkes has been saying for the last 3 or 4 years they are going to develop their site, build another bridge, build a hotel, build shops and build a massive supermarket but has anyone ever seen any official plans.... The only firm plans I have seen are from the rugby club site, as planners can only make decisions based on plans submitted surely the Sansbury's development will proceed....
Another interesting thing I saw on TV last night was an article about our fancy new pavements which absorb harmful chemicals etc from cars, the item finished with an esteemed member of SLDC saying ultimately they (SLDC) wish to stop cars coming into the centre of town which will ease congestion and ease pollution - you do have to ask how this will ever be possible if they continue pushing for a massive town centre development at Canal Head.... I do wonder at the mental abilities of our dear leaders at times...

Cas220 wrote:
Kendal simply cannot support another big supermarket.

You may think Kendal is a busy place but I have lived in a fair few towns and, even on a Saturday afternoon, ASDA and Morrisons in Kendal are NEVER as busy as most in other towns. There aren't enough consumers in Kendal to make a Sainsbury's or Tesco viable considering the costs.
Kendal 'looks' busy on a Friday and Saturday because of the woeful traffic system - which will only get worse. Both ASDA and Morrisons are currently situated in 'out of town' areas in order to ease traffic congestion - with a town like Kendal this is the only way, unless they plan on bulldozing half of it to build new roads. If there are problems with getting public transport to these areas then maybe that needs addressing but the only right thing for the centre of town would be a small Spar or Co-op type shop with late opening.

Plus, a site like Canal Head Tesco would not touch with a bargepole - they like to build on greenfield sites.

I read a report about the trading of Asda and Morrisons in Kendal and both showed they were trading at around 150% capacity this shows there is spare capacity between the 2 to support another supermarket, however, based on these figures it shows that a majority of the business generated by Sainsbury's would just be the over capacity of the other 2 and not necessarily new business being brought into the town as some suggest.. Also i believe the staffing levels of Asda and Morrissons would be reduced so again a new supermarket would not be all new jobs but a take up of staff from the other stores so whilst a new supermarket would offer more choice it will not necessarily generate hundreds of jobs nor is it likely to generate vastly more people coming into Kendal..

nickjohn wrote:

Cas220 wrote:
Kendal simply cannot support another big supermarket.

You may think Kendal is a busy place but I have lived in a fair few towns and, even on a Saturday afternoon, ASDA and Morrisons in Kendal are NEVER as busy as most in other towns. There aren't enough consumers in Kendal to make a Sainsbury's or Tesco viable considering the costs.
Kendal 'looks' busy on a Friday and Saturday because of the woeful traffic system - which will only get worse. Both ASDA and Morrisons are currently situated in 'out of town' areas in order to ease traffic congestion - with a town like Kendal this is the only way, unless they plan on bulldozing half of it to build new roads. If there are problems with getting public transport to these areas then maybe that needs addressing but the only right thing for the centre of town would be a small Spar or Co-op type shop with late opening.

Plus, a site like Canal Head Tesco would not touch with a bargepole - they like to build on greenfield sites.

I read a report about the trading of Asda and Morrisons in Kendal and both showed they were trading at around 150% capacity this shows there is spare capacity between the 2 to support another supermarket, however, based on these figures it shows that a majority of the business generated by Sainsbury's would just be the over capacity of the other 2 and not necessarily new business being brought into the town as some suggest.. Also i believe the staffing levels of Asda and Morrissons would be reduced so again a new supermarket would not be all new jobs but a take up of staff from the other stores so whilst a new supermarket would offer more choice it will not necessarily generate hundreds of jobs nor is it likely to generate vastly more people coming into Kendal..

Most of the ASDAs I have ever been to must have been trading at 300%+ capacity then! When is the figure you quote for? what you must remember is that we live in a high tourist area so footfall will drop by at least 100% in the winter months.

I believe the figures were for the period 2010 - 11 and were an average for the twelve months and would, therefore, include for any down turn in the winter months..

"right thing for the centre of town would be a small Spar or Co-op type shop with late opening"

There are currently late night stores within Kendal, not necessarily directly in the town centre as they would be hard to access unless you actually lived right in the town centre, when looking at their prices they are far higher than the supermarkets, which will be due to the supermarkets buying power, which ultimately means they are not as well supported as they used to be.. Whilst I am no great supporter of large out of town supermarkets they do offer value for money which can only be good in these hard times..

nickjohn wrote:
I believe the figures were for the period 2010 - 11 and were an average for the twelve months and would, therefore, include for any down turn in the winter months..

"right thing for the centre of town would be a small Spar or Co-op type shop with late opening"

There are currently late night stores within Kendal, not necessarily directly in the town centre as they would be hard to access unless you actually lived right in the town centre, when looking at their prices they are far higher than the supermarkets, which will be due to the supermarkets buying power, which ultimately means they are not as well supported as they used to be.. Whilst I am no great supporter of large out of town supermarkets they do offer value for money which can only be good in these hard times..

I am a massive supporter of large supermarkets; I just don't think there is a need for another in Kendal.

I don't think the high prices at 'small' stores are due to buying power as Spar and Co-op are just as big a force in the UK as Morrisons or Sainsbury's.

I thought SLDC had already said they would approve the rugby club move to the strawberry fields...