Canada geese causing misery for Finsthwaite farmers

First published in Windermere The Westmorland Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

CANADA geese have been causing misery for a Finsthwaite farming couple, who are supporting the proposed cull of 200 by the Lake District National Park Authority.

Around 150 of the birds have been eating grass ‘to the ground’ as well as the feed put out for sheep at John and Ruth Hesketh’s farm.

The couple have been forced to halve the number of sheep brought in this year compared to 2011 because of a lack of food for them to eat.

They said the sheer volume of the geese’s droppings had also led to some lambs dying from salmonella when they ingested it.

Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years, and they say problems they have experienced over the past year have worsened because of the growing numbers of Canada geese.

The birds have also been able to chase the lambs away from food because of their bigger size.

“We’re as much conservationists as anyone else and we don’t want to see these birds shot, but we can’t go on like this,” said Mrs Hesketh.

“A few Canada geese aren’t a problem but when there are hundreds of them then something has to be done about it.

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11:15am Thu 15 Mar 12

lakesdream says...

I am pleased that Mr. and Mrs. Hesketh do not want the geese shot but if they are conservationalists why have they not researched how to move and reduce the geese? It is all here on the internet. They could get support from the Canada Geese societies and follow the 3 simple steps employed by Stratford upon Avon. One of the most effective ways was to put yellow flotation jackets, put the dogs on leads and accompanied by handlers,the sheep dogs moved the geese. Presumably a sheep farm has sheep dogs.
On this link there are a number of people the Heskeths can contact :
http://www.stratford
society.co.uk/Canada
%20Geese%20Invite%20
pdf.pdf

I have always found that people who are involved in reserach and wild life management are very willing to offer advice and support.
I am pleased that Mr. and Mrs. Hesketh do not want the geese shot but if they are conservationalists why have they not researched how to move and reduce the geese? It is all here on the internet. They could get support from the Canada Geese societies and follow the 3 simple steps employed by Stratford upon Avon. One of the most effective ways was to put yellow flotation jackets, put the dogs on leads and accompanied by handlers,the sheep dogs moved the geese. Presumably a sheep farm has sheep dogs. On this link there are a number of people the Heskeths can contact : http://www.stratford society.co.uk/Canada %20Geese%20Invite%20 pdf.pdf I have always found that people who are involved in reserach and wild life management are very willing to offer advice and support. lakesdream
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11:40am Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

I do have sympathy if there is a genuine problem for a small farmer but like lakesdream can't help wondering why Mr. and Mrs. Hesketh have not sought help and advice before now. Call me cynical but just as the anti cull campaign is obviously winning up pop farmers who have not said anything during all the weeks of the heated debate!
I do have sympathy if there is a genuine problem for a small farmer but like lakesdream can't help wondering why Mr. and Mrs. Hesketh have not sought help and advice before now. Call me cynical but just as the anti cull campaign is obviously winning up pop farmers who have not said anything during all the weeks of the heated debate! henryalex
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2:21pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Roysyboy says...

Mr and Mrs Hesketh have genuine reasons to support the cull. I agree with them.

Canada Goose is not an endangered species. It really doesn't warrant all the sentimental concern that has been voiced here.

Focusing on such an irrelevancy helps paint a picture that, apart from these poor geese, we live in a perfect society where nothing is more important than, for example, the plight of a few geese.
Mr and Mrs Hesketh have genuine reasons to support the cull. I agree with them. Canada Goose is not an endangered species. It really doesn't warrant all the sentimental concern that has been voiced here. Focusing on such an irrelevancy helps paint a picture that, apart from these poor geese, we live in a perfect society where nothing is more important than, for example, the plight of a few geese. Roysyboy
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2:54pm Thu 15 Mar 12

lakesdream says...

If this is not an important issue why do you keep posting Roysboy? Why are you not spending yout time and energy positively in supporting causes which you do consider important?

Why do Mr. and Mrs. Heskrth not contact Clive Hartley? He has been monitoring the geese on Windermere for 5 yearts so will be able to provide information on the pattern of the geese nesting on their land? There are lots of examples of effective geese management which the Heskeths can draw on and people to help them to manage the geese humanely. Bellfast Airport has recently also done this. I note that this farm is at quite a popular tourist area of Winderrmere, perhaps the no feeding policy which has been succesful in other arreas could be employed. Geese will look for easy sourecs of food which is actually not healthy for them if people feed them bread. There is 17,000m of shore line so plenty of area to spread the geese out after all most are only here for two months.
If this is not an important issue why do you keep posting Roysboy? Why are you not spending yout time and energy positively in supporting causes which you do consider important? Why do Mr. and Mrs. Heskrth not contact Clive Hartley? He has been monitoring the geese on Windermere for 5 yearts so will be able to provide information on the pattern of the geese nesting on their land? There are lots of examples of effective geese management which the Heskeths can draw on and people to help them to manage the geese humanely. Bellfast Airport has recently also done this. I note that this farm is at quite a popular tourist area of Winderrmere, perhaps the no feeding policy which has been succesful in other arreas could be employed. Geese will look for easy sourecs of food which is actually not healthy for them if people feed them bread. There is 17,000m of shore line so plenty of area to spread the geese out after all most are only here for two months. lakesdream
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3:54pm Thu 15 Mar 12

MarySe says...

I favour a cull despite being pro-conservationist in general.
I favour a cull despite being pro-conservationist in general. MarySe
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4:01pm Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Why do you favour a cull MarySe? The people opposed to the cull including Clive Hartley, Animal Aid and the RSPCA have given detailed scientific evidence as to why this cull is unnecessary. The LDNPA has admitted that they have no evidence. Can you provide any?
Why do you favour a cull MarySe? The people opposed to the cull including Clive Hartley, Animal Aid and the RSPCA have given detailed scientific evidence as to why this cull is unnecessary. The LDNPA has admitted that they have no evidence. Can you provide any? henryalex
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4:35pm Thu 15 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

This is as bad as arguing with MMGW warmists. They want proof for everything. Opinions have gone out of the window in today's society.
The Heskeths have more to do than fanny about putting sheepdogs in buoyancy aids. What sort of bonkers idea is that?
As for Lakesdream saying "I note that this farm is at quite a popular tourist area of Winderrmere, perhaps the no feeding policy which has been succesful in other arreas could be employed."
Just who is going onto private land at Finsthwaite to feed geese? I lived at Finsthwaite for 3 years and can't think of any public land adjoining the lake.
There are some astonishingly impractical suggestions being made to avoid the death of a few geese.
This is as bad as arguing with MMGW warmists. They want proof for everything. Opinions have gone out of the window in today's society. The Heskeths have more to do than fanny about putting sheepdogs in buoyancy aids. What sort of bonkers idea is that? As for Lakesdream saying "I note that this farm is at quite a popular tourist area of Winderrmere, perhaps the no feeding policy which has been succesful in other arreas could be employed." Just who is going onto private land at Finsthwaite to feed geese? I lived at Finsthwaite for 3 years and can't think of any public land adjoining the lake. There are some astonishingly impractical suggestions being made to avoid the death of a few geese. lakesailor
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5:34pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

Well I lived at Graythwaite for many years, I guess the Heskeths farm the fields by Low stock Park holiday cottages so maybe tourist are feeding the geese and ducks as the fields there go down to the lake, but havent a clue which farm the Heskeths farm on as to my knowledge Ian Kellett, use to farm most of the land at finthswaite and Abbotsridding farm down near Rusland use the land around finsthwaite too and Graythwaite estates owned the land from the YMCA to Far Sawrey and the young lad who farms on this land is not called Hesketh !!! maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers . I think I will pop down and feed the geese at Low stock park and at High dam just to make sure they are ok .
Anyway the geese are all well and happy in my field and love swimming on my tarn and woo be tide anyone who steps foot on my land when these geese are nesting to blast them with a 12 bore , they might find tables turned. save the canda geese
Well I lived at Graythwaite for many years, I guess the Heskeths farm the fields by Low stock Park holiday cottages so maybe tourist are feeding the geese and ducks as the fields there go down to the lake, but havent a clue which farm the Heskeths farm on as to my knowledge Ian Kellett, use to farm most of the land at finthswaite and Abbotsridding farm down near Rusland use the land around finsthwaite too and Graythwaite estates owned the land from the YMCA to Far Sawrey and the young lad who farms on this land is not called Hesketh !!! maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers . I think I will pop down and feed the geese at Low stock park and at High dam just to make sure they are ok . Anyway the geese are all well and happy in my field and love swimming on my tarn and woo be tide anyone who steps foot on my land when these geese are nesting to blast them with a 12 bore , they might find tables turned. save the canda geese LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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5:41pm Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Geese are a protected species. If a licence is granted to shoot them there has to be scientific evidence, not subjective comments. I would have thought that if the Heskeths had such a problem the first thing they would do would be to look at solutions for solving it within the law. Using sheep dogs on a sheep farm is a simple, free, environmental friendly and practical solution which any conservationist would try. This is back to where it all started, that there has been no real serious attempt to try humane methods to control the geese, instead of just killing them. Finsthwaite shore is close to Lakeside.
Geese are a protected species. If a licence is granted to shoot them there has to be scientific evidence, not subjective comments. I would have thought that if the Heskeths had such a problem the first thing they would do would be to look at solutions for solving it within the law. Using sheep dogs on a sheep farm is a simple, free, environmental friendly and practical solution which any conservationist would try. This is back to where it all started, that there has been no real serious attempt to try humane methods to control the geese, instead of just killing them. Finsthwaite shore is close to Lakeside. henryalex
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5:48pm Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Thank you LADY TILLY WINDERMERE. Your informed comment came in whilst I was writing mine. In light of what you have said perhaps the WG could inform us where this farm is.
Thank you LADY TILLY WINDERMERE. Your informed comment came in whilst I was writing mine. In light of what you have said perhaps the WG could inform us where this farm is. henryalex
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8:11pm Thu 15 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

I favour a cull. And the farmer ought to get to keep the proceeds from the meat - as they've eating his grass.

PieWoman
I favour a cull. And the farmer ought to get to keep the proceeds from the meat - as they've eating his grass. PieWoman PieWoman
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8:40pm Thu 15 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

"maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers"
Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then....
"Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"
"maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers" Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then.... "Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years," lakesailor
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9:44pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

BUT if the Heskeths own the land they could of shot the geese when it was goose shooting season so why are they moaning about geese on their own land ?? if they own the land they could destroy the geese that why I am guessing they are small holder farmers not true farmers , most farmers would just get on and cull them and keep quiet without going to the WG complaining about grass eating geese , I sure if there was a problem they would of sorted the problem out , like most farmers I know personaly, they just sort out problems themselfs with out broadcasting to the whole of the Lakedistrict !!
BUT if the Heskeths own the land they could of shot the geese when it was goose shooting season so why are they moaning about geese on their own land ?? if they own the land they could destroy the geese that why I am guessing they are small holder farmers not true farmers , most farmers would just get on and cull them and keep quiet without going to the WG complaining about grass eating geese , I sure if there was a problem they would of sorted the problem out , like most farmers I know personaly, they just sort out problems themselfs with out broadcasting to the whole of the Lakedistrict !! LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:03pm Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

They will be on the electoral roll so should be fairly easy to locate them.
They will be on the electoral roll so should be fairly easy to locate them. henryalex
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10:05pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

lakesailor wrote:
"maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers"
Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then....
"Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"
55 aches for 25yrs well I never heard of farmer Hesketh and I am in the know with farmers west, east south and north of lake windermere, bought up at Graythwaite !! have many friends at Newbybridge, lakeside, Finsthwaite, Rusland Backbarrow, Brow edge, Holker, Satterwaite, Low stock park Graythwaite, Colton , Lowick Cunsey ,Fell foot, , Staveley in cartmel , Tower wood ect ect and nobody seems to know farmer Hesketh I am sure if they have farmed for 25 yrs they would be well known in the farming commuity, so that why we are guessing they are playing at farming, and they would of contacted NFU or DEFRA, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is a government department in the UK FOR FARMING!!! So why have they not gone to them for help over the geese problem ? proberly because they are playing farmers and dont relise DEFRA and the NFU can guide and help you in to how to solve problems.
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: "maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers" Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then.... "Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"[/p][/quote]55 aches for 25yrs well I never heard of farmer Hesketh and I am in the know with farmers west, east south and north of lake windermere, bought up at Graythwaite !! have many friends at Newbybridge, lakeside, Finsthwaite, Rusland Backbarrow, Brow edge, Holker, Satterwaite, Low stock park Graythwaite, Colton , Lowick Cunsey ,Fell foot, , Staveley in cartmel , Tower wood ect ect and nobody seems to know farmer Hesketh I am sure if they have farmed for 25 yrs they would be well known in the farming commuity, so that why we are guessing they are playing at farming, and they would of contacted NFU or DEFRA, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is a government department in the UK FOR FARMING!!! So why have they not gone to them for help over the geese problem ? proberly because they are playing farmers and dont relise DEFRA and the NFU can guide and help you in to how to solve problems. LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:05pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

lakesailor wrote:
"maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers"
Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then....
"Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"
55 aches for 25yrs well I never heard of farmer Hesketh and I am in the know with farmers west, east south and north of lake windermere, bought up at Graythwaite !! have many friends at Newbybridge, lakeside, Finsthwaite, Rusland Backbarrow, Brow edge, Holker, Satterwaite, Low stock park Graythwaite, Colton , Lowick Cunsey ,Fell foot, , Staveley in cartmel , Tower wood ect ect and nobody seems to know farmer Hesketh I am sure if they have farmed for 25 yrs they would be well known in the farming commuity, so that why we are guessing they are playing at farming, and they would of contacted NFU or DEFRA, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is a government department in the UK FOR FARMING!!! So why have they not gone to them for help over the geese problem ? proberly because they are playing farmers and dont relise DEFRA and the NFU can guide and help you in to how to solve problems.
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: "maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers" Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then.... "Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"[/p][/quote]55 aches for 25yrs well I never heard of farmer Hesketh and I am in the know with farmers west, east south and north of lake windermere, bought up at Graythwaite !! have many friends at Newbybridge, lakeside, Finsthwaite, Rusland Backbarrow, Brow edge, Holker, Satterwaite, Low stock park Graythwaite, Colton , Lowick Cunsey ,Fell foot, , Staveley in cartmel , Tower wood ect ect and nobody seems to know farmer Hesketh I am sure if they have farmed for 25 yrs they would be well known in the farming commuity, so that why we are guessing they are playing at farming, and they would of contacted NFU or DEFRA, The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) is a government department in the UK FOR FARMING!!! So why have they not gone to them for help over the geese problem ? proberly because they are playing farmers and dont relise DEFRA and the NFU can guide and help you in to how to solve problems. LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:11pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

henryalex wrote:
They will be on the electoral roll so should be fairly easy to locate them.
try that and googled their name and looked up farmers round Finsthwaite area no result and ask farming friends and gamekeepers noone has heard of them proberly LDNPA have their address or maybe the reporter and photographer for the WG could supplie address as noone seems to have put their name to the gazette article !!
[quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: They will be on the electoral roll so should be fairly easy to locate them.[/p][/quote]try that and googled their name and looked up farmers round Finsthwaite area no result and ask farming friends and gamekeepers noone has heard of them proberly LDNPA have their address or maybe the reporter and photographer for the WG could supplie address as noone seems to have put their name to the gazette article !! LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:21pm Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Thank you LADY TILLY. The WG published this story so they have a responsibility to verify who these so called farmers are. Has the WG has had (sorry for the pun) the, 'wool pulled over their eyes?'
Thank you LADY TILLY. The WG published this story so they have a responsibility to verify who these so called farmers are. Has the WG has had (sorry for the pun) the, 'wool pulled over their eyes?' henryalex
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10:21pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

lakesailor wrote:
"maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers"
Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then....
"Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"
55 acres is 0.222585 square kilometer...

55 acres is...0.0880000000000
0001... A square mile.

55 acres is hectares 22.2585

so not big so must be small holders, I own more land than that and I am not a farmer !!
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: "maybe they are small holders who have a very small flock of sheep and rent some land and proberly live up Canny hill in a big house and play part time farmers" Hmm. You don't believe the bits of the piece that don't suit then.... "Mr and Mrs Hesketh have owned the 55-acre site for 25 years,"[/p][/quote]55 acres is 0.222585 square kilometer... 55 acres is...0.0880000000000 0001... A square mile. 55 acres is hectares 22.2585 so not big so must be small holders, I own more land than that and I am not a farmer !! LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:26pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

henryalex wrote:
Thank you LADY TILLY. The WG published this story so they have a responsibility to verify who these so called farmers are. Has the WG has had (sorry for the pun) the, 'wool pulled over their eyes?'
your welcome . love it pulling the wool over their eyes. honk honk let the geese live love seeing goslings , also Bowness on Windermere is a fairtrade town not been fair to the geese are they
[quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Thank you LADY TILLY. The WG published this story so they have a responsibility to verify who these so called farmers are. Has the WG has had (sorry for the pun) the, 'wool pulled over their eyes?'[/p][/quote]your welcome . love it pulling the wool over their eyes. honk honk let the geese live love seeing goslings , also Bowness on Windermere is a fairtrade town not been fair to the geese are they LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:34pm Thu 15 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

PieWoman wrote:
I favour a cull. And the farmer ought to get to keep the proceeds from the meat - as they've eating his grass.

PieWoman
excuse me PIEWOMAN, the true farmers are not even complaining my family are local farmers and are not interested in geese gobberling up the grass and yes we farm on the shores of Windermere and our lambs are all safe and not getting attack by Killer geese they only thing the lambs are worried about is BOWNESSIE !! and the tourist with their dogs off the lead and no we dont have samonella we are more worried incase we get blue tongue , blowfly or worst still Schmallenberg virus. geese are the least off our problems .
[quote][p][bold]PieWoman[/bold] wrote: I favour a cull. And the farmer ought to get to keep the proceeds from the meat - as they've eating his grass. PieWoman[/p][/quote]excuse me PIEWOMAN, the true farmers are not even complaining my family are local farmers and are not interested in geese gobberling up the grass and yes we farm on the shores of Windermere and our lambs are all safe and not getting attack by Killer geese they only thing the lambs are worried about is BOWNESSIE !! and the tourist with their dogs off the lead and no we dont have samonella we are more worried incase we get blue tongue , blowfly or worst still Schmallenberg virus. geese are the least off our problems . LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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10:43pm Thu 15 Mar 12

henryalex says...

It all looks very suspicious. Did the reporter, Scott Kirk, actually see all these geese or is he been led a, 'goose chase?'
It all looks very suspicious. Did the reporter, Scott Kirk, actually see all these geese or is he been led a, 'goose chase?' henryalex
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11:34pm Thu 15 Mar 12

robiin says...

If I was cynical I would think that these 'farmers' have been given a back hander to speak out now!
ps I am sure Piewoman is a LDNPA ranger (is that you Albert)
If I was cynical I would think that these 'farmers' have been given a back hander to speak out now! ps I am sure Piewoman is a LDNPA ranger (is that you Albert) robiin
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12:19am Fri 16 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

Particularly sad to see so many people so vexed by such a minor problem.
200 geese is nothing.
Yet they are talking about searching NFU and DEFRA records.
I saw a programme about the '70s on telly featuring people protesting about the Vietnam war.
That was a proper protest movement.
Geese; pah!
Particularly sad to see so many people so vexed by such a minor problem. 200 geese is nothing. Yet they are talking about searching NFU and DEFRA records. I saw a programme about the '70s on telly featuring people protesting about the Vietnam war. That was a proper protest movement. Geese; pah! lakesailor
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2:00am Fri 16 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Well if it's so insignificant why do you post so many times a day about it lakesailor? You talk about people who are opposed by the cull being vexed but you are extremely vexed so that is hypocritical. Your attempted minimisation tactic is very transparent.
Well if it's so insignificant why do you post so many times a day about it lakesailor? You talk about people who are opposed by the cull being vexed but you are extremely vexed so that is hypocritical. Your attempted minimisation tactic is very transparent. henryalex
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10:25am Fri 16 Mar 12

robiin says...

lakesailor has a huge chip on his shoulder. Brush if off lakesailor. If this issue is so small, get on with your life and stop commenting. Same old rhetoric about more important things, it's a widely used ploy to try to deflect from an issue that, for some reason (vested interests?) lakesailor doesn't want us to discuss.
lakesailor has a huge chip on his shoulder. Brush if off lakesailor. If this issue is so small, get on with your life and stop commenting. Same old rhetoric about more important things, it's a widely used ploy to try to deflect from an issue that, for some reason (vested interests?) lakesailor doesn't want us to discuss. robiin
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11:51am Fri 16 Mar 12

lakesdream says...

This is looking very suspicious. Did the reporter actually go to the farm and see the geese? I have also looked and cannot find any trace of John and Ruth Hesketh. If they have lived on the farm for 25 years they should be on some records, particularly the electoral roll. Agree with LADY TILLY. Very small for a sheep farm. I know the big landowners rent out to tenant farmers but to make a sheep farm viable in the Lake District you need a lot more land than this. Can we have some answers please from the Westmorland Gazette?
This is looking very suspicious. Did the reporter actually go to the farm and see the geese? I have also looked and cannot find any trace of John and Ruth Hesketh. If they have lived on the farm for 25 years they should be on some records, particularly the electoral roll. Agree with LADY TILLY. Very small for a sheep farm. I know the big landowners rent out to tenant farmers but to make a sheep farm viable in the Lake District you need a lot more land than this. Can we have some answers please from the Westmorland Gazette? lakesdream
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2:31pm Fri 16 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

robiin wrote:
lakesailor has a huge chip on his shoulder. Brush if off lakesailor. If this issue is so small, get on with your life and stop commenting. Same old rhetoric about more important things, it's a widely used ploy to try to deflect from an issue that, for some reason (vested interests?) lakesailor doesn't want us to discuss.
I see.

I disagree with you so I should I should shut up and leave all you protesters to an anti-cull love-in?
Do you not think it may be that I just don't like people assuming the high ground and berating everyone else who dares to disagree with them?
You are some of the very worst bullies I have come across in many years of forum membership.

The Heskeths are being hounded by your very own version of the Spanish Inquisition.
They aren't known to Lady Tilly so they can't exist? She has already missed out another couple of landowners from her list. Maybe she doesn't know everyone
You are convinced the Heskeths are fake and introduced to argue a case.
You are all paranoid.

You, variously, keep accusing me of having vested interests, being a Ranger, being an LDNPA member, being a farmer etc.
All wrong. None of you business anyway.
I just live here and have a different opinion to yours, which it seems, drives you all apoplectic.
[quote][p][bold]robiin[/bold] wrote: lakesailor has a huge chip on his shoulder. Brush if off lakesailor. If this issue is so small, get on with your life and stop commenting. Same old rhetoric about more important things, it's a widely used ploy to try to deflect from an issue that, for some reason (vested interests?) lakesailor doesn't want us to discuss.[/p][/quote]I see. I disagree with you so I should I should shut up and leave all you protesters to an anti-cull love-in? Do you not think it may be that I just don't like people assuming the high ground and berating everyone else who dares to disagree with them? You are some of the very worst bullies I have come across in many years of forum membership. The Heskeths are being hounded by your very own version of the Spanish Inquisition. They aren't known to Lady Tilly so they can't exist? She has already missed out another couple of landowners from her list. Maybe she doesn't know everyone You are convinced the Heskeths are fake and introduced to argue a case. You are all paranoid. You, variously, keep accusing me of having vested interests, being a Ranger, being an LDNPA member, being a farmer etc. All wrong. None of you business anyway. I just live here and have a different opinion to yours, which it seems, drives you all apoplectic. lakesailor
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4:35pm Fri 16 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Be consistent lakesailor. Yesterday you said that the campaign was weak, not like the Vietnam protests. Today you are saying we are too strong. You can't have it both ways.

You say that you lived in Finsthwaite for 3 years and the Heskeths say that they have lived there for 25 years so you must know them as it is a small community. Which is their farm? They have gone public so obviously don't mind being identified. or perhaps the Heskeths themselves could clear up the mystery? They have claimed all this in a newspaper so it is perfectly reasonable to ask them to give more detail in the circumstances.
Be consistent lakesailor. Yesterday you said that the campaign was weak, not like the Vietnam protests. Today you are saying we are too strong. You can't have it both ways. You say that you lived in Finsthwaite for 3 years and the Heskeths say that they have lived there for 25 years so you must know them as it is a small community. Which is their farm? They have gone public so obviously don't mind being identified. or perhaps the Heskeths themselves could clear up the mystery? They have claimed all this in a newspaper so it is perfectly reasonable to ask them to give more detail in the circumstances. henryalex
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8:12pm Fri 16 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

lakesailor wrote:
robiin wrote:
lakesailor has a huge chip on his shoulder. Brush if off lakesailor. If this issue is so small, get on with your life and stop commenting. Same old rhetoric about more important things, it's a widely used ploy to try to deflect from an issue that, for some reason (vested interests?) lakesailor doesn't want us to discuss.
I see.

I disagree with you so I should I should shut up and leave all you protesters to an anti-cull love-in?
Do you not think it may be that I just don't like people assuming the high ground and berating everyone else who dares to disagree with them?
You are some of the very worst bullies I have come across in many years of forum membership.

The Heskeths are being hounded by your very own version of the Spanish Inquisition.
They aren't known to Lady Tilly so they can't exist? She has already missed out another couple of landowners from her list. Maybe she doesn't know everyone
You are convinced the Heskeths are fake and introduced to argue a case.
You are all paranoid.

You, variously, keep accusing me of having vested interests, being a Ranger, being an LDNPA member, being a farmer etc.
All wrong. None of you business anyway.
I just live here and have a different opinion to yours, which it seems, drives you all apoplectic.
actually I know most landowners as I have dealing with most and if I dont my family do !! I was not going to write all farmers landowners names and people I know, like I said grew up as a young child at Graythwaite estates , til I was 26yrs old then I moved to Sawrey, and now live in Windermere, my family still live around Graythwaite, Hawkshead, Sawrey, Haverwaite, Rusland Satterwaite, Bouth, Lakeside Townhead Staveley and Winster. so yes I mix in the farming community , went to local schools and was a member of Rusland YFC
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]robiin[/bold] wrote: lakesailor has a huge chip on his shoulder. Brush if off lakesailor. If this issue is so small, get on with your life and stop commenting. Same old rhetoric about more important things, it's a widely used ploy to try to deflect from an issue that, for some reason (vested interests?) lakesailor doesn't want us to discuss.[/p][/quote]I see. I disagree with you so I should I should shut up and leave all you protesters to an anti-cull love-in? Do you not think it may be that I just don't like people assuming the high ground and berating everyone else who dares to disagree with them? You are some of the very worst bullies I have come across in many years of forum membership. The Heskeths are being hounded by your very own version of the Spanish Inquisition. They aren't known to Lady Tilly so they can't exist? She has already missed out another couple of landowners from her list. Maybe she doesn't know everyone You are convinced the Heskeths are fake and introduced to argue a case. You are all paranoid. You, variously, keep accusing me of having vested interests, being a Ranger, being an LDNPA member, being a farmer etc. All wrong. None of you business anyway. I just live here and have a different opinion to yours, which it seems, drives you all apoplectic.[/p][/quote]actually I know most landowners as I have dealing with most and if I dont my family do !! I was not going to write all farmers landowners names and people I know, like I said grew up as a young child at Graythwaite estates , til I was 26yrs old then I moved to Sawrey, and now live in Windermere, my family still live around Graythwaite, Hawkshead, Sawrey, Haverwaite, Rusland Satterwaite, Bouth, Lakeside Townhead Staveley and Winster. so yes I mix in the farming community , went to local schools and was a member of Rusland YFC LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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12:25am Sat 17 Mar 12

robiin says...

Lakesailor talks about posters being 'bullies' as we expose the truth about those who wish to kill wildlife, bullies, Lakesailor, are defined in dictionary as bullies = men hired to do violence. Clear then to see who the real bullies are
Lakesailor talks about posters being 'bullies' as we expose the truth about those who wish to kill wildlife, bullies, Lakesailor, are defined in dictionary as bullies = men hired to do violence. Clear then to see who the real bullies are robiin
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11:00am Sat 17 Mar 12

henryalex says...

I agree robiin, it's pathetic isn't it that this is all they can come up with just because they have lost the argument for the cull.

Still no word from the reporter Scott Kirk, the editorial or the Heskeths about this story. should we conclude that it is a hoax?
I agree robiin, it's pathetic isn't it that this is all they can come up with just because they have lost the argument for the cull. Still no word from the reporter Scott Kirk, the editorial or the Heskeths about this story. should we conclude that it is a hoax? henryalex
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2:52pm Sat 17 Mar 12

Roysyboy says...

The goose-lovers have little argument except that they are against cruelty per se. Such ignorance!

You walk along and tread on an ant -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!"

A lion kills an antelope -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!"

So what do you want? -- a planned contraceptive program for Canada Geese? It's not possible.

Meanwhile, Assad is culling Syrian civilians but you lot of goose-lovers of course know your own priorities?
The goose-lovers have little argument except that they are against cruelty per se. Such ignorance! You walk along and tread on an ant -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!" A lion kills an antelope -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!" So what do you want? -- a planned contraceptive program for Canada Geese? It's not possible. Meanwhile, Assad is culling Syrian civilians but you lot of goose-lovers of course know your own priorities? Roysyboy
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3:03pm Sat 17 Mar 12

henryalex says...

We've been here before Roysboy. It is highly offensive to suggest that people who are anti the cull don't care about people. People are either caring and compassionate or they are not. Being compassionate to people and to animals has found to have a positive correlation in research. Just another diversionary tactic bu you because you have lost the argument over the geese cull. How many times have you been told that there are humane methods of geese management such as those carried out effectively by places such as Stratford upon Avon and Belfast Airport. You choose to ignore the facts because it does not fit in with you wanting the cull for some reason. Will be interesting to hear what reasons you give if you can ever contribute to the debate about the geese.
We've been here before Roysboy. It is highly offensive to suggest that people who are anti the cull don't care about people. People are either caring and compassionate or they are not. Being compassionate to people and to animals has found to have a positive correlation in research. Just another diversionary tactic bu you because you have lost the argument over the geese cull. How many times have you been told that there are humane methods of geese management such as those carried out effectively by places such as Stratford upon Avon and Belfast Airport. You choose to ignore the facts because it does not fit in with you wanting the cull for some reason. Will be interesting to hear what reasons you give if you can ever contribute to the debate about the geese. henryalex
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8:35pm Sat 17 Mar 12

artisanfood says...

www.cumbrialive.tv Maybe a clue or two here?
www.cumbrialive.tv Maybe a clue or two here? artisanfood
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9:07pm Sat 17 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

Roysyboy wrote:
The goose-lovers have little argument except that they are against cruelty per se. Such ignorance!

You walk along and tread on an ant -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!"

A lion kills an antelope -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!"

So what do you want? -- a planned contraceptive program for Canada Geese? It's not possible.

Meanwhile, Assad is culling Syrian civilians but you lot of goose-lovers of course know your own priorities?
Well said.

PieWoman
[quote][p][bold]Roysyboy[/bold] wrote: The goose-lovers have little argument except that they are against cruelty per se. Such ignorance! You walk along and tread on an ant -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!" A lion kills an antelope -- "cruelty, cruelty, cruelty..!" So what do you want? -- a planned contraceptive program for Canada Geese? It's not possible. Meanwhile, Assad is culling Syrian civilians but you lot of goose-lovers of course know your own priorities?[/p][/quote]Well said. PieWoman PieWoman
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10:41pm Sat 17 Mar 12

robiin says...

We are all waiting to see what roysyboy and piewoman are doing about the culling of syrians, do tell!!
We are all waiting to see what roysyboy and piewoman are doing about the culling of syrians, do tell!! robiin
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12:21am Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesdream says...

The more I think about this story and discuss it with others the more incongurous it gets. If this is only a 55 acre farm, extremely small for a Lake District sheep farm, how much shore line will it have? They say there are 150 geese which would be on the fields by the shore. Clive Hartley and the LDNPA tell us that even at the peak, when migratory Canada Geese nest, there are only 1,200 geese. Funny that of 17,000m of shore line so many congregate on this very small farm? Stranger still that no one can find any trace of John and Ruth Hesketh and no one locally knows them.
The more I think about this story and discuss it with others the more incongurous it gets. If this is only a 55 acre farm, extremely small for a Lake District sheep farm, how much shore line will it have? They say there are 150 geese which would be on the fields by the shore. Clive Hartley and the LDNPA tell us that even at the peak, when migratory Canada Geese nest, there are only 1,200 geese. Funny that of 17,000m of shore line so many congregate on this very small farm? Stranger still that no one can find any trace of John and Ruth Hesketh and no one locally knows them. lakesdream
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12:28am Sun 18 Mar 12

Cas220 says...

lakesdream wrote:
The more I think about this story and discuss it with others the more incongurous it gets. If this is only a 55 acre farm, extremely small for a Lake District sheep farm, how much shore line will it have? They say there are 150 geese which would be on the fields by the shore. Clive Hartley and the LDNPA tell us that even at the peak, when migratory Canada Geese nest, there are only 1,200 geese. Funny that of 17,000m of shore line so many congregate on this very small farm? Stranger still that no one can find any trace of John and Ruth Hesketh and no one locally knows them.
I think the reporter is a bit late, John & Ruth Hesketh were in Finsthwaite in the 1800s. No trace of them nowadays however, only in Pooley Bridge...bit far away from Finsthwaite to be farming there....
[quote][p][bold]lakesdream[/bold] wrote: The more I think about this story and discuss it with others the more incongurous it gets. If this is only a 55 acre farm, extremely small for a Lake District sheep farm, how much shore line will it have? They say there are 150 geese which would be on the fields by the shore. Clive Hartley and the LDNPA tell us that even at the peak, when migratory Canada Geese nest, there are only 1,200 geese. Funny that of 17,000m of shore line so many congregate on this very small farm? Stranger still that no one can find any trace of John and Ruth Hesketh and no one locally knows them.[/p][/quote]I think the reporter is a bit late, John & Ruth Hesketh were in Finsthwaite in the 1800s. No trace of them nowadays however, only in Pooley Bridge...bit far away from Finsthwaite to be farming there.... Cas220
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10:20am Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesman says...

just proves how sad you animal rights lot are , looking up the farmer to see if he exists ,get a life the lot of you ,
just proves how sad you animal rights lot are , looking up the farmer to see if he exists ,get a life the lot of you , lakesman
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10:58am Sun 18 Mar 12

henryalex says...

It is absolutely legitimate lakesman to question a story which is featured at such a significant time in the campaign to stop the cull. If these people are not who they say they are : John and Ruth Hesketh, sheep farmers of 55 acres at Finsthwaite with 150 Canada Geese on their land on the shore of Windermere it is going to gain huge publicity as the reporter has either being duped or is complicit in the hoax. The reporter or the WG has not issued any comment on this.
It is absolutely legitimate lakesman to question a story which is featured at such a significant time in the campaign to stop the cull. If these people are not who they say they are : John and Ruth Hesketh, sheep farmers of 55 acres at Finsthwaite with 150 Canada Geese on their land on the shore of Windermere it is going to gain huge publicity as the reporter has either being duped or is complicit in the hoax. The reporter or the WG has not issued any comment on this. henryalex
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11:17am Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesman says...

its sad end off ,huge publicity you having a laugh ,nobody care's ,there's four of you on here and only fourty odd turned up in bowness last week ,get over it the geese are goosed
its sad end off ,huge publicity you having a laugh ,nobody care's ,there's four of you on here and only fourty odd turned up in bowness last week ,get over it the geese are goosed lakesman
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11:35am Sun 18 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Where you there at the protest lakesman? There were a lot of people who came to support, not just people with placards. There were far more than 40, usual tactics of minimisation. People were coming up asking to sign the petition, locals and visitors. This has gone all round the world and made national news. If nobody cares why are you on here?
Where you there at the protest lakesman? There were a lot of people who came to support, not just people with placards. There were far more than 40, usual tactics of minimisation. People were coming up asking to sign the petition, locals and visitors. This has gone all round the world and made national news. If nobody cares why are you on here? henryalex
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11:58am Sun 18 Mar 12

save windermere geese says...

we at save windermere canada geese have asked the westmoreland gazzette to provide were the heskeths live we our still waiting.
we think the gazatte has had the wool pulled over there eyes. we have posted on here last week asking them to email it over to us but instead they removed the comment we think that the gazette is in favor off the cull. That is why when us at the swcg press release we do not include the gazztte. if you want to join the group on facebook save windermere canada geese you will find out the right upto date information anyway the gazette will end up removing our comment.
we at save windermere canada geese have asked the westmoreland gazzette to provide were the heskeths live we our still waiting. we think the gazatte has had the wool pulled over there eyes. we have posted on here last week asking them to email it over to us but instead they removed the comment we think that the gazette is in favor off the cull. That is why when us at the swcg press release we do not include the gazztte. if you want to join the group on facebook save windermere canada geese you will find out the right upto date information anyway the gazette will end up removing our comment. save windermere geese
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12:12pm Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

So.
You've told us there were more than 40.

How many were there?

I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website
(http://nwhsa.wordpr
ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters.

There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency.

Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie?
That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about.

The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like.

The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested.

I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.
So. You've told us there were more than 40. How many were there? I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website (http://nwhsa.wordpr ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters. There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency. Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie? That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about. The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like. The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested. I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance. lakesailor
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12:22pm Sun 18 Mar 12

save windermere geese says...

lakesailor wrote:
So.
You've told us there were more than 40.

How many were there?

I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website
(http://nwhsa.wordpr

ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters.

There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency.

Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie?
That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about.

The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like.

The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested.

I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.
If your bored go and play on a other comment page on here like you do every week were bored off you and what you write every week on here
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: So. You've told us there were more than 40. How many were there? I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website (http://nwhsa.wordpr ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters. There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency. Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie? That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about. The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like. The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested. I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.[/p][/quote]If your bored go and play on a other comment page on here like you do every week were bored off you and what you write every week on here save windermere geese
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12:48pm Sun 18 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

lakesailor wrote:
So.
You've told us there were more than 40.

How many were there?

I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website
(http://nwhsa.wordpr

ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters.

There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency.

Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie?
That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about.

The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like.

The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested.

I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.
go and poke your nose in somewhere else , lol they didnt come by coach the protesters so you got that wrong "Lakesailor" and I do know quite a lot of locals were there at some point of the day, not all people could be there bang on 11-30 am , you seem to know a lot about what the geese campaigners are writing on othere walls so I guess you must have an interest in what they are upto !! so go and poke your big nose and your pointless comments somewhere else maybe with pie women as she writes a load of rubbish to maybe you work for LDNPA
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: So. You've told us there were more than 40. How many were there? I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website (http://nwhsa.wordpr ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters. There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency. Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie? That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about. The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like. The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested. I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.[/p][/quote]go and poke your nose in somewhere else , lol they didnt come by coach the protesters so you got that wrong "Lakesailor" and I do know quite a lot of locals were there at some point of the day, not all people could be there bang on 11-30 am , you seem to know a lot about what the geese campaigners are writing on othere walls so I guess you must have an interest in what they are upto !! so go and poke your big nose and your pointless comments somewhere else maybe with pie women as she writes a load of rubbish to maybe you work for LDNPA LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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1:00pm Sun 18 Mar 12

henryalex says...

If you are bored why are you still posting prolifically lakesailor? On the other thread when you said that this was not important I pointed out that you had posted 38 times, now 39!
AS TADY TILLY says, you obviously have a vested interest. You are obviously a hunt supporter from your comment so presume that you see Canada Geese as target practice?
If you are bored why are you still posting prolifically lakesailor? On the other thread when you said that this was not important I pointed out that you had posted 38 times, now 39! AS TADY TILLY says, you obviously have a vested interest. You are obviously a hunt supporter from your comment so presume that you see Canada Geese as target practice? henryalex
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8:28pm Sun 18 Mar 12

robiin says...

Yes Henry Alex, funny that lakesailor knows all about the hunt sabs, when, actually, they have nothing to do with this issue, goes to show that those who are promoting this cull are clearly entrenched in killing animals. No member of the public checks hunt sabs pages except those who are involved in hunts. I think we have a sad few animal abusers on here. Just like the sad minority who support barbaric hunting, Lakesailor thinks he can speak for 42,000 people who live in and around the area and also tries to minimise the number of people who were at the demo, the classic signs of an arrogant hunt supporter. A dying breed!
Yes Henry Alex, funny that lakesailor knows all about the hunt sabs, when, actually, they have nothing to do with this issue, goes to show that those who are promoting this cull are clearly entrenched in killing animals. No member of the public checks hunt sabs pages except those who are involved in hunts. I think we have a sad few animal abusers on here. Just like the sad minority who support barbaric hunting, Lakesailor thinks he can speak for 42,000 people who live in and around the area and also tries to minimise the number of people who were at the demo, the classic signs of an arrogant hunt supporter. A dying breed! robiin
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8:40pm Sun 18 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

lakesailor wrote:
So.
You've told us there were more than 40.

How many were there?

I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website
(http://nwhsa.wordpr

ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters.

There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency.

Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie?
That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about.

The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like.

The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested.

I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.
I agree with everything you've said. The unwillingness of this vocal minority of sentimentalist protestors to enter into any kind of constructive debate is telling.

They are persistent, but not representative of local opinion.

PieWoman
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: So. You've told us there were more than 40. How many were there? I see that despite a busy campaign and plea for protesters to attend on the North West Hunt Sabateurs Website (http://nwhsa.wordpr ess.com/) there were still only a coach load of protesters. There's a handful of you on here. Very loud voices with a very small constituency. Are you saying that the report of the Heskeths is a lie? That's the obvious conclusion we must draw from all your ferreting about. The only people who are speaking are a few on here and organised protesters who will protest about anything they don't like. The rest of the 42,000 people in the Park are not interested. I am now bored. Your arguments haven't moved on. You haven't shown any overwhelming support for your stance.[/p][/quote]I agree with everything you've said. The unwillingness of this vocal minority of sentimentalist protestors to enter into any kind of constructive debate is telling. They are persistent, but not representative of local opinion. PieWoman PieWoman
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8:45pm Sun 18 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.
Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true. henryalex
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10:23pm Sun 18 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

henryalex wrote:
Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.
WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...
[quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE... LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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11:43pm Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

oooo.
"Don't comment anymore."
Who on earth are you to demand such a thing?
That sounds a bit desperate.
oooo. "Don't comment anymore." Who on earth are you to demand such a thing? That sounds a bit desperate. lakesailor
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11:49pm Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

robiin wrote:
Yes Henry Alex, funny that lakesailor knows all about the hunt sabs, when, actually, they have nothing to do with this issue, goes to show that those who are promoting this cull are clearly entrenched in killing animals. No member of the public checks hunt sabs pages except those who are involved in hunts. I think we have a sad few animal abusers on here. Just like the sad minority who support barbaric hunting, Lakesailor thinks he can speak for 42,000 people who live in and around the area and also tries to minimise the number of people who were at the demo, the classic signs of an arrogant hunt supporter. A dying breed!
Fantastic! You are in a world of your own.
Never heard of Google?
(The Hunt sabateurs were involved in trying to curry support, by the way)
I have never killed or attempted to kill an animal. I have never fished or been to a hunt.
You are so arrogant that it defies belief.
The profile you mitherers have built up for me is so very far from the truth that you could have done better by flipping a coin.
You are patheticly attempting an Ad Hominem argument instead of trying to say something other than "leave them alone, they are pretty."
[quote][p][bold]robiin[/bold] wrote: Yes Henry Alex, funny that lakesailor knows all about the hunt sabs, when, actually, they have nothing to do with this issue, goes to show that those who are promoting this cull are clearly entrenched in killing animals. No member of the public checks hunt sabs pages except those who are involved in hunts. I think we have a sad few animal abusers on here. Just like the sad minority who support barbaric hunting, Lakesailor thinks he can speak for 42,000 people who live in and around the area and also tries to minimise the number of people who were at the demo, the classic signs of an arrogant hunt supporter. A dying breed![/p][/quote]Fantastic! You are in a world of your own. Never heard of Google? (The Hunt sabateurs were involved in trying to curry support, by the way) I have never killed or attempted to kill an animal. I have never fished or been to a hunt. You are so arrogant that it defies belief. The profile you mitherers have built up for me is so very far from the truth that you could have done better by flipping a coin. You are patheticly attempting an Ad Hominem argument instead of trying to say something other than "leave them alone, they are pretty." lakesailor
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11:49pm Sun 18 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

robiin wrote:
Yes Henry Alex, funny that lakesailor knows all about the hunt sabs, when, actually, they have nothing to do with this issue, goes to show that those who are promoting this cull are clearly entrenched in killing animals. No member of the public checks hunt sabs pages except those who are involved in hunts. I think we have a sad few animal abusers on here. Just like the sad minority who support barbaric hunting, Lakesailor thinks he can speak for 42,000 people who live in and around the area and also tries to minimise the number of people who were at the demo, the classic signs of an arrogant hunt supporter. A dying breed!
I see the Gazette have dropped their "Most Commented" list on the front page of the site.
Is this an attempt to quell the debate?
Should we be told what their editorial position is on the cull?
[quote][p][bold]robiin[/bold] wrote: Yes Henry Alex, funny that lakesailor knows all about the hunt sabs, when, actually, they have nothing to do with this issue, goes to show that those who are promoting this cull are clearly entrenched in killing animals. No member of the public checks hunt sabs pages except those who are involved in hunts. I think we have a sad few animal abusers on here. Just like the sad minority who support barbaric hunting, Lakesailor thinks he can speak for 42,000 people who live in and around the area and also tries to minimise the number of people who were at the demo, the classic signs of an arrogant hunt supporter. A dying breed![/p][/quote]I see the Gazette have dropped their "Most Commented" list on the front page of the site. Is this an attempt to quell the debate? Should we be told what their editorial position is on the cull? lakesailor
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12:30am Mon 19 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Pleased to hear that you have not killed anything or been to a hunt lakesailor but it was you who introduced the hunt element.

The reason why I don't want the geese killed is because it has been proved that it is unnecessary.

As I commented on the other thread, I agree with you about editorial comment. We are still waiting for comment on this story which looks highly suspicious. By removing the headlines is this an admission that this story is suspect and the hope that it will be forgotten. A bit late for that.
Pleased to hear that you have not killed anything or been to a hunt lakesailor but it was you who introduced the hunt element. The reason why I don't want the geese killed is because it has been proved that it is unnecessary. As I commented on the other thread, I agree with you about editorial comment. We are still waiting for comment on this story which looks highly suspicious. By removing the headlines is this an admission that this story is suspect and the hope that it will be forgotten. A bit late for that. henryalex
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5:16pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

RESULT A FRIEND OF A FRIEND HAS JUST RECIVED THIS EMAIL JUST LIKE WE THOUGHT THE HESKETHS DONT LIVE AT FINTHSWAITE !!!


Have received a reply! The PCC threat usually works...
Dear Ms Williams

Thank you for your email. I can confirm that representatives of The Westmorland Gazette visited the land concerned near Finsthwaite last week with Mr and Mrs Hesketh. The couple actually reside elsewhere, which might be why local people have not heard of them.
We have no reason whatsoever to suspect that there is anything invalid about the story we printed.

Best wishes.

Andrew Thomas
Senior Content Editor
01539 710159
andrew.thomas@kendal
.newsq​
uest.co.uk
RESULT A FRIEND OF A FRIEND HAS JUST RECIVED THIS EMAIL JUST LIKE WE THOUGHT THE HESKETHS DONT LIVE AT FINTHSWAITE !!! Have received a reply! The PCC threat usually works... Dear Ms Williams Thank you for your email. I can confirm that representatives of The Westmorland Gazette visited the land concerned near Finsthwaite last week with Mr and Mrs Hesketh. The couple actually reside elsewhere, which might be why local people have not heard of them. We have no reason whatsoever to suspect that there is anything invalid about the story we printed. Best wishes. Andrew Thomas Senior Content Editor 01539 710159 andrew.thomas@kendal .newsq​ uest.co.uk LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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5:19pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
RESULT A FRIEND OF A FRIEND HAS JUST RECIVED THIS EMAIL JUST LIKE WE THOUGHT THE HESKETHS DONT LIVE AT FINTHSWAITE !!!


Have received a reply! The PCC threat usually works...
Dear Ms Williams

Thank you for your email. I can confirm that representatives of The Westmorland Gazette visited the land concerned near Finsthwaite last week with Mr and Mrs Hesketh. The couple actually reside elsewhere, which might be why local people have not heard of them.
We have no reason whatsoever to suspect that there is anything invalid about the story we printed.

Best wishes.

Andrew Thomas
Senior Content Editor
01539 710159
andrew.thomas@kendal

.newsq​
uest.co.uk
SO they use some people to say they lived and farmed for 25yrs at Finsthwaite like I said all along never heard of farmer Hesketh, hope PIEWOMEN AND LAKESAILOR take note !!!
[quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: RESULT A FRIEND OF A FRIEND HAS JUST RECIVED THIS EMAIL JUST LIKE WE THOUGHT THE HESKETHS DONT LIVE AT FINTHSWAITE !!! Have received a reply! The PCC threat usually works... Dear Ms Williams Thank you for your email. I can confirm that representatives of The Westmorland Gazette visited the land concerned near Finsthwaite last week with Mr and Mrs Hesketh. The couple actually reside elsewhere, which might be why local people have not heard of them. We have no reason whatsoever to suspect that there is anything invalid about the story we printed. Best wishes. Andrew Thomas Senior Content Editor 01539 710159 andrew.thomas@kendal .newsq​ uest.co.uk[/p][/quote]SO they use some people to say they lived and farmed for 25yrs at Finsthwaite like I said all along never heard of farmer Hesketh, hope PIEWOMEN AND LAKESAILOR take note !!! LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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5:26pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

just seen this on LAKELAND RADIO NEWS !!
RSPCA WADES IN TO GEESE CULL ARGUMENT

Posted: March 19, 2012

The RSPCA says the Canada geese cull on Windermere will be a “bloody stain” on the Lake which’ll take “many years to wash away.”

The animal charity’s hit out after the Geese Management Group refused to discuss alternatives with them.

Lake District bosses are planning to shoot the birds as they nest because the non-native species is polluting the Lake and damaging crops.

The Chief Exec of the RSPCA says they’ll be monitoring the cull and will prosecute if it’s not lawful.

Gavin Grant said: “We requested a meeting with the Geese Management Group to discuss our concerns and we’re deeply disappointed that they have rejected our request.

“The purpose would have been to set out our scientific opinion as to why the proposed cull will be utterly ineffectual as well as immoral. Shooting birds on the nest is barbaric and has the potential to cause a great deal of suffering and it simply won’t work as other non-nesting birds will quickly move in to replace them.

“We will now be writing formally to the Lake District National Park Authority setting out this information.

“There are alternative solutions that don’t involve the killing of vast numbers of birds and our specialist wildlife experts are prepared to work with them on this, but this offer has not been taken up.

“Should the cull go ahead we will take up their offer to observe it and we give due notice that should our expectations that it cannot be carried out lawfully prove to be correct we will not hesitate to move forward to prosecute those involved.

“Such a cull will be a bloody stain on the beautiful waters of Lake Windermere which will take many years to wash away. We call on those who love the Lake District to join us in urging the National Park Authority to call off the cull.”.
just seen this on LAKELAND RADIO NEWS !! RSPCA WADES IN TO GEESE CULL ARGUMENT Posted: March 19, 2012 The RSPCA says the Canada geese cull on Windermere will be a “bloody stain” on the Lake which’ll take “many years to wash away.” The animal charity’s hit out after the Geese Management Group refused to discuss alternatives with them. Lake District bosses are planning to shoot the birds as they nest because the non-native species is polluting the Lake and damaging crops. The Chief Exec of the RSPCA says they’ll be monitoring the cull and will prosecute if it’s not lawful. Gavin Grant said: “We requested a meeting with the Geese Management Group to discuss our concerns and we’re deeply disappointed that they have rejected our request. “The purpose would have been to set out our scientific opinion as to why the proposed cull will be utterly ineffectual as well as immoral. Shooting birds on the nest is barbaric and has the potential to cause a great deal of suffering and it simply won’t work as other non-nesting birds will quickly move in to replace them. “We will now be writing formally to the Lake District National Park Authority setting out this information. “There are alternative solutions that don’t involve the killing of vast numbers of birds and our specialist wildlife experts are prepared to work with them on this, but this offer has not been taken up. “Should the cull go ahead we will take up their offer to observe it and we give due notice that should our expectations that it cannot be carried out lawfully prove to be correct we will not hesitate to move forward to prosecute those involved. “Such a cull will be a bloody stain on the beautiful waters of Lake Windermere which will take many years to wash away. We call on those who love the Lake District to join us in urging the National Park Authority to call off the cull.”. LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:20pm Mon 19 Mar 12

lakesailor says...

I am pleased to see some of the protagonists of this protest have still not managed to raise their game to a level above simple abuse.
"so go and poke your big nose and your pointless comments somewhere else maybe with pie women as she writes a load of rubbish to maybe you work for LDNPA"

and no, yet again, I don't work for anyone or belong any pressure group.
I am pleased to see some of the protagonists of this protest have still not managed to raise their game to a level above simple abuse. "so go and poke your big nose and your pointless comments somewhere else maybe with pie women as she writes a load of rubbish to maybe you work for LDNPA" and no, yet again, I don't work for anyone or belong any pressure group. lakesailor
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7:27pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

lakesailor wrote:
I am pleased to see some of the protagonists of this protest have still not managed to raise their game to a level above simple abuse.
"so go and poke your big nose and your pointless comments somewhere else maybe with pie women as she writes a load of rubbish to maybe you work for LDNPA"

and no, yet again, I don't work for anyone or belong any pressure group.
SOME RETIRED OLD OFF COMER THEN
[quote][p][bold]lakesailor[/bold] wrote: I am pleased to see some of the protagonists of this protest have still not managed to raise their game to a level above simple abuse. "so go and poke your big nose and your pointless comments somewhere else maybe with pie women as she writes a load of rubbish to maybe you work for LDNPA" and no, yet again, I don't work for anyone or belong any pressure group.[/p][/quote]SOME RETIRED OLD OFF COMER THEN LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:29pm Mon 19 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
henryalex wrote:
Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.
WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...
You are sounding increasingly desparate.

You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made.

It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts.

I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you.

That's just something you'll have to learn to accept.

PieWoman
[quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...[/p][/quote]You are sounding increasingly desparate. You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made. It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts. I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you. That's just something you'll have to learn to accept. PieWoman PieWoman
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7:29pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

WHO STILL CANT RESIST LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GEESE !!!
WHO STILL CANT RESIST LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GEESE !!! LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:36pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

PieWoman wrote:
LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
henryalex wrote:
Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.
WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...
You are sounding increasingly desparate.

You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made.

It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts.

I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you.

That's just something you'll have to learn to accept.

PieWoman
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH HAVE WE TOUCHED A RAW NERVE ,
[quote][p][bold]PieWoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...[/p][/quote]You are sounding increasingly desparate. You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made. It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts. I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you. That's just something you'll have to learn to accept. PieWoman[/p][/quote]OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH HAVE WE TOUCHED A RAW NERVE , LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:36pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

PieWoman wrote:
LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
henryalex wrote:
Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.
WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...
You are sounding increasingly desparate.

You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made.

It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts.

I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you.

That's just something you'll have to learn to accept.

PieWoman
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH HAVE WE TOUCHED A RAW NERVE ,
[quote][p][bold]PieWoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...[/p][/quote]You are sounding increasingly desparate. You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made. It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts. I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you. That's just something you'll have to learn to accept. PieWoman[/p][/quote]OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH HAVE WE TOUCHED A RAW NERVE , LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:38pm Mon 19 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Just got in and found your posts LADY TILLY. thank you so much for your perseverance with this. Turns out just as we suspected, unbelievable. Why have the WG done this? Surely they have more to answer?
Glad the RSPCA is speaking out. Need to put pressure on the RSPB whose local RSPB warden has now distanced himself from the Geese Management group and who denies supporting the cull proposals.
The National Trust representatives on the committee apparently also approved the cull so members should complain loudly.
Just got in and found your posts LADY TILLY. thank you so much for your perseverance with this. Turns out just as we suspected, unbelievable. Why have the WG done this? Surely they have more to answer? Glad the RSPCA is speaking out. Need to put pressure on the RSPB whose local RSPB warden has now distanced himself from the Geese Management group and who denies supporting the cull proposals. The National Trust representatives on the committee apparently also approved the cull so members should complain loudly. henryalex
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7:48pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

SO your subscription to THE NATIONAL TRUST is helping fund the cull of the geese since THE NATIONAL TRUST IS part of the CULL MANAGEMENT WHO want the CULL THE GEESE , Bextrix Potter would turn in her grave if she knew that The National Trust is culling nesting Canada Geese on her land which she entrusted to the National trust to preserve for all to use , I am sure killing a breeding bird out of shooting season in cold blood while it is nesting is totaly out of order and I am sure if Miss Potter AKA Mrs Hellis was alive she would full support the ban of not killing the geese
SO your subscription to THE NATIONAL TRUST is helping fund the cull of the geese since THE NATIONAL TRUST IS part of the CULL MANAGEMENT WHO want the CULL THE GEESE , Bextrix Potter would turn in her grave if she knew that The National Trust is culling nesting Canada Geese on her land which she entrusted to the National trust to preserve for all to use , I am sure killing a breeding bird out of shooting season in cold blood while it is nesting is totaly out of order and I am sure if Miss Potter AKA Mrs Hellis was alive she would full support the ban of not killing the geese LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:52pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

henryalex wrote:
Just got in and found your posts LADY TILLY. thank you so much for your perseverance with this. Turns out just as we suspected, unbelievable. Why have the WG done this? Surely they have more to answer?
Glad the RSPCA is speaking out. Need to put pressure on the RSPB whose local RSPB warden has now distanced himself from the Geese Management group and who denies supporting the cull proposals.
The National Trust representatives on the committee apparently also approved the cull so members should complain loudly.
your welcome Henryalex thought you would find it interesting
[quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Just got in and found your posts LADY TILLY. thank you so much for your perseverance with this. Turns out just as we suspected, unbelievable. Why have the WG done this? Surely they have more to answer? Glad the RSPCA is speaking out. Need to put pressure on the RSPB whose local RSPB warden has now distanced himself from the Geese Management group and who denies supporting the cull proposals. The National Trust representatives on the committee apparently also approved the cull so members should complain loudly.[/p][/quote]your welcome Henryalex thought you would find it interesting LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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8:24pm Mon 19 Mar 12

Cas220 says...

PieWoman wrote:
LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
henryalex wrote:
Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.
WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...
You are sounding increasingly desparate.

You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made.

It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts.

I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you.

That's just something you'll have to learn to accept.

PieWoman
The Wildlife Trust, RSPB and national Trust are ALL in favour of killing 'non-native' species. If you are an animal lover you shouldn't give any of them a penny. In my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]PieWoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: Keep trying PieWoman. You refused to read the scientifc submissions from Animal Aid and view Clive's film. I posted all the Animal Aid documents with detailed scientific evidence. You have been repeatedly been told by local people on here that there is local support to stop the cull. Plenty of local people attended the protest and came and signed the petition. You have produced not one single fact or piece of evidence to support the cull. Even the LDNPA can't and they admit it. Just keeping repeating your mantras does not make them true.[/p][/quote]WELL SAID HENRYALEX. , I AM FROM A TRUE LOCAL FAMILY BORN AND BRED AROUND THE SHORES OF WINDERMERE SO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT PIE WOMAN, SOME LOCALS DO NOT WANT THE CULL, AND DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CANDA GEESE ON OUR LAND , WE ARE USE TO OUR FILEDS GETTING EATEN, IF IT NOT MY 6 HORSES EATING MY GRASS ITS GEESE , RED DEER, ROE DEER , THE SHEEP AND CATTLE I LET GRAZE ON MY LAND !!! SO I ENJOY SEEING DEER AND GEESE GRAZE MY LAND TELL YOU WHAT PIEWOMAN GO AND SCOFF YOUR PIES WITH LAKESAILOR AND DONT COMMENT ANYMORE ON OUR CAMPAIGNE...[/p][/quote]You are sounding increasingly desparate. You know nothing about me. I have ignored it until now, but it is time to redress some of the personal commments that have been made. It is wholly unfair of you to try to paint a picture of me which is so totally incorrect and not based on any facts. I am a member of the Cumbria Wildlife Trust, RSPB and National Trust. I have never killed an animal or taken part in any form of hunting activity. I just happen to have a different opinion to you. That's just something you'll have to learn to accept. PieWoman[/p][/quote]The Wildlife Trust, RSPB and national Trust are ALL in favour of killing 'non-native' species. If you are an animal lover you shouldn't give any of them a penny. In my opinion. Cas220
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8:31pm Mon 19 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
SO your subscription to THE NATIONAL TRUST is helping fund the cull of the geese since THE NATIONAL TRUST IS part of the CULL MANAGEMENT WHO want the CULL THE GEESE , Bextrix Potter would turn in her grave if she knew that The National Trust is culling nesting Canada Geese on her land which she entrusted to the National trust to preserve for all to use , I am sure killing a breeding bird out of shooting season in cold blood while it is nesting is totaly out of order and I am sure if Miss Potter AKA Mrs Hellis was alive she would full support the ban of not killing the geese
Did you know that typing in CAPITALS is akin to SHOUTING? Please stop it.

Your post reads like a crazy rant. I have visions of you frothing at the mouth, which is not pretty.

Get a grip - its just a few geese!

PieWoman
[quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: SO your subscription to THE NATIONAL TRUST is helping fund the cull of the geese since THE NATIONAL TRUST IS part of the CULL MANAGEMENT WHO want the CULL THE GEESE , Bextrix Potter would turn in her grave if she knew that The National Trust is culling nesting Canada Geese on her land which she entrusted to the National trust to preserve for all to use , I am sure killing a breeding bird out of shooting season in cold blood while it is nesting is totaly out of order and I am sure if Miss Potter AKA Mrs Hellis was alive she would full support the ban of not killing the geese[/p][/quote]Did you know that typing in CAPITALS is akin to SHOUTING? Please stop it. Your post reads like a crazy rant. I have visions of you frothing at the mouth, which is not pretty. Get a grip - its just a few geese! PieWoman PieWoman
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9:15pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

PieWoman wrote:
LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
SO your subscription to THE NATIONAL TRUST is helping fund the cull of the geese since THE NATIONAL TRUST IS part of the CULL MANAGEMENT WHO want the CULL THE GEESE , Bextrix Potter would turn in her grave if she knew that The National Trust is culling nesting Canada Geese on her land which she entrusted to the National trust to preserve for all to use , I am sure killing a breeding bird out of shooting season in cold blood while it is nesting is totaly out of order and I am sure if Miss Potter AKA Mrs Hellis was alive she would full support the ban of not killing the geese
Did you know that typing in CAPITALS is akin to SHOUTING? Please stop it.

Your post reads like a crazy rant. I have visions of you frothing at the mouth, which is not pretty.

Get a grip - its just a few geese!

PieWoman
SO I LIKE SHOUTING MY CAPS LOCK IS ON AT LEAST I AM GETTING NOTICED !!!!

if you dont like it piewomen go and comment on othere stuff which might concern you !! How dose it feel to pay to fund the murder of a nursing mothers nesting, waiting for the birth of her goslings, that what you do by paying your annual fees to the National Trust .
No Piewoman you get a grip if you dont like what I type dont comment on this page simple.
[quote][p][bold]PieWoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: SO your subscription to THE NATIONAL TRUST is helping fund the cull of the geese since THE NATIONAL TRUST IS part of the CULL MANAGEMENT WHO want the CULL THE GEESE , Bextrix Potter would turn in her grave if she knew that The National Trust is culling nesting Canada Geese on her land which she entrusted to the National trust to preserve for all to use , I am sure killing a breeding bird out of shooting season in cold blood while it is nesting is totaly out of order and I am sure if Miss Potter AKA Mrs Hellis was alive she would full support the ban of not killing the geese[/p][/quote]Did you know that typing in CAPITALS is akin to SHOUTING? Please stop it. Your post reads like a crazy rant. I have visions of you frothing at the mouth, which is not pretty. Get a grip - its just a few geese! PieWoman[/p][/quote]SO I LIKE SHOUTING MY CAPS LOCK IS ON AT LEAST I AM GETTING NOTICED !!!! if you dont like it piewomen go and comment on othere stuff which might concern you !! How dose it feel to pay to fund the murder of a nursing mothers nesting, waiting for the birth of her goslings, that what you do by paying your annual fees to the National Trust . No Piewoman you get a grip if you dont like what I type dont comment on this page simple. LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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9:19pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

If its just a few geese Piewoman , why is it causing such a big stir in the surrounding area of Windermere??
If its just a few geese Piewoman , why is it causing such a big stir in the surrounding area of Windermere?? LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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9:30pm Mon 19 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
If its just a few geese Piewoman , why is it causing such a big stir in the surrounding area of Windermere??
It is not. You should consult more widely.

PieWoman
[quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: If its just a few geese Piewoman , why is it causing such a big stir in the surrounding area of Windermere??[/p][/quote]It is not. You should consult more widely. PieWoman PieWoman
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9:44pm Mon 19 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

PieWoman wrote:
LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
If its just a few geese Piewoman , why is it causing such a big stir in the surrounding area of Windermere??
It is not. You should consult more widely.

PieWoman
google geese cull and you would be surprize how many sites 53800 it is on, and if it that not causing a stir how come you keep coming back to read the comments is there nothing else of interest to comment on tonight ?
[quote][p][bold]PieWoman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: If its just a few geese Piewoman , why is it causing such a big stir in the surrounding area of Windermere??[/p][/quote]It is not. You should consult more widely. PieWoman[/p][/quote]google geese cull and you would be surprize how many sites 53800 it is on, and if it that not causing a stir how come you keep coming back to read the comments is there nothing else of interest to comment on tonight ? LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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9:45pm Mon 19 Mar 12

henryalex says...

It is you who said that it was a few geese PieWoman as LADY Tilly pointed out. You can't have it both ways.
You still, in all your many posts, have offered no factual evidence as to why you support the cull, you just continuously attack the campaigners against the cull as this is the only option which you have.
I notice that you have not commented on the RSPCA's statement or the WG actually bringing into Finsthwaite people to interview. The Heskeths, if this is their real names, do not live in Cumbria according to the Electoral Roll. There is a John Hesketh in Pooley Bridge village but does not live with Ruth Hesketh. Strange that they are supposed to have farmed Finsthwaite for 25 years. If they are absentee landlords they would still need local people to work on their farm and no one locally have heard of them.
Still ridiculous to suggest that such a tiny plot for a Cumbrian sheep farm with such a tiny piece f shore line should have so many of Windermere's Canada Geese. Still a lot to come out about this.
I've been watching Canada Geese today. They are beautiful birds. One watches whilst the other feeds. I cannot imagine anyone killing them.
It is you who said that it was a few geese PieWoman as LADY Tilly pointed out. You can't have it both ways. You still, in all your many posts, have offered no factual evidence as to why you support the cull, you just continuously attack the campaigners against the cull as this is the only option which you have. I notice that you have not commented on the RSPCA's statement or the WG actually bringing into Finsthwaite people to interview. The Heskeths, if this is their real names, do not live in Cumbria according to the Electoral Roll. There is a John Hesketh in Pooley Bridge village but does not live with Ruth Hesketh. Strange that they are supposed to have farmed Finsthwaite for 25 years. If they are absentee landlords they would still need local people to work on their farm and no one locally have heard of them. Still ridiculous to suggest that such a tiny plot for a Cumbrian sheep farm with such a tiny piece f shore line should have so many of Windermere's Canada Geese. Still a lot to come out about this. I've been watching Canada Geese today. They are beautiful birds. One watches whilst the other feeds. I cannot imagine anyone killing them. henryalex
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10:02pm Mon 19 Mar 12

PieWoman says...

You do not have to live on the land to farm the land. Many plots of land are farmed on tack.

If you are suggesting the WG have fabricated the story for their own purposes then you're challenging their integrity as journalists. You'd better be sure you're right before you start firing that kind of accusation around!

Maybe you're not right. Just maybe?

PieWoman
You do not have to live on the land to farm the land. Many plots of land are farmed on tack. If you are suggesting the WG have fabricated the story for their own purposes then you're challenging their integrity as journalists. You'd better be sure you're right before you start firing that kind of accusation around! Maybe you're not right. Just maybe? PieWoman PieWoman
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10:30pm Mon 19 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Please read what is written PieWoman. I did use the term, 'fabricated,' or, 'for their own purposes.' This is your interpretation.

I did pose a number of questions. I made perfectly reasonable comments about the claims of the large number of geese on such a small plot of land and if the Heskeths are absentee landlords for 25 years how local people would probably have worked on their farm so would know them.

Why did it take the WG 5 days to reply to people's concerns? It took the threat of the PCC to get them to admit that they had brought in the Heskeths for the interview. If they print a story people have every right to challenge its accuracy.

You were being very hostile to us pointing out earlier in the thread that the Heskeths did not reside locally and it has now proved that we were right.

The WG need to : Identify the Heskeths telling us where they are from; identify the farm at Finsthwaite; show us evidence of the 150 Canada Geese on the Hesketh's land which can be verified by someone like Clive Hartley.

If you go back to my first comments on this thread you will see that I was sympathetic to a farm which did have a large number of Canada Geese but not sympathetic if they had not used humane methods of management. As this story developed it became clear that John and Ruth Hesketh were not residents of Finsthwaite and the WG now confirm this.
Please read what is written PieWoman. I did use the term, 'fabricated,' or, 'for their own purposes.' This is your interpretation. I did pose a number of questions. I made perfectly reasonable comments about the claims of the large number of geese on such a small plot of land and if the Heskeths are absentee landlords for 25 years how local people would probably have worked on their farm so would know them. Why did it take the WG 5 days to reply to people's concerns? It took the threat of the PCC to get them to admit that they had brought in the Heskeths for the interview. If they print a story people have every right to challenge its accuracy. You were being very hostile to us pointing out earlier in the thread that the Heskeths did not reside locally and it has now proved that we were right. The WG need to : Identify the Heskeths telling us where they are from; identify the farm at Finsthwaite; show us evidence of the 150 Canada Geese on the Hesketh's land which can be verified by someone like Clive Hartley. If you go back to my first comments on this thread you will see that I was sympathetic to a farm which did have a large number of Canada Geese but not sympathetic if they had not used humane methods of management. As this story developed it became clear that John and Ruth Hesketh were not residents of Finsthwaite and the WG now confirm this. henryalex
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10:50pm Mon 19 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Of course I should have written, 'DID NOT,' use the term 'fabricated,' or, 'for their own purposes.' Sorry for the mistake. I'm tired so going to leave this now. Good night.
Of course I should have written, 'DID NOT,' use the term 'fabricated,' or, 'for their own purposes.' Sorry for the mistake. I'm tired so going to leave this now. Good night. henryalex
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10:52pm Mon 19 Mar 12

robiin says...

Does anyone find it strange that piewoman and lakesailor seem to be on this site at exactly the same time, could it be one and the same!! Of course piewoman 'has never killed an animal' he/she justs brays for the blood of them to be killed by others. And piewoman is a member of CWT, NT and RSPBm what a hero, (or should that be a hypocrit)???
Does anyone find it strange that piewoman and lakesailor seem to be on this site at exactly the same time, could it be one and the same!! Of course piewoman 'has never killed an animal' he/she justs brays for the blood of them to be killed by others. And piewoman is a member of CWT, NT and RSPBm what a hero, (or should that be a hypocrit)??? robiin
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12:45pm Tue 20 Mar 12

MayaGold says...

Hi Guys! I have here a fun email to shaer with you! (sources from Animal Aid's facebook page)

"Dear Ms Williams

Thank you for your email. I can confirm that representatives of The Westmorland Gazette visited the land concerned near Finsthwaite last week with Mr and Mrs Hesketh. The couple actually reside elsewhere, which might be why local people have not heard of them.
We have no reason whatsoever to suspect that there is anything invalid about the story we printed.

Best wishes.

Andrew Thomas
Senior Content Editor
01539 710159
andrew.thomas@kendal
.newsquest.co.uk"

The couple reside elsewhere. That's right. Incidentally, i personally think this does make the story invalid, but clearly the editor does not. They couldn't find a real local farmer to complain so they dragged one in from elsewhere.
Hi Guys! I have here a fun email to shaer with you! (sources from Animal Aid's facebook page) "Dear Ms Williams Thank you for your email. I can confirm that representatives of The Westmorland Gazette visited the land concerned near Finsthwaite last week with Mr and Mrs Hesketh. The couple actually reside elsewhere, which might be why local people have not heard of them. We have no reason whatsoever to suspect that there is anything invalid about the story we printed. Best wishes. Andrew Thomas Senior Content Editor 01539 710159 andrew.thomas@kendal .newsquest.co.uk" The couple reside elsewhere. That's right. Incidentally, i personally think this does make the story invalid, but clearly the editor does not. They couldn't find a real local farmer to complain so they dragged one in from elsewhere. MayaGold
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12:51pm Tue 20 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Hello MayaGold,

Thank you for posting this again. It was originally posted here by LADY TILLY WINDERMERE who has done a brilliant job in providing specific local knowledge to Finsthwaite and calling for the WG to confirm that the Heskeths are not local residents.

The WG called them, 'Finsthwaite farmers and ,' a, Finsthwaite farming couple,' so they will argue that they never said that they were residents but most people reading the story, I think, presumed that they were. Particularly since the article says that they have owned the farm for 25 years. It is very cleverly worded but they have not done their credibility any good have they? Still want to know who these people are, where their land is and where all these geese are.
Hello MayaGold, Thank you for posting this again. It was originally posted here by LADY TILLY WINDERMERE who has done a brilliant job in providing specific local knowledge to Finsthwaite and calling for the WG to confirm that the Heskeths are not local residents. The WG called them, 'Finsthwaite farmers and ,' a, Finsthwaite farming couple,' so they will argue that they never said that they were residents but most people reading the story, I think, presumed that they were. Particularly since the article says that they have owned the farm for 25 years. It is very cleverly worded but they have not done their credibility any good have they? Still want to know who these people are, where their land is and where all these geese are. henryalex
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1:25pm Tue 20 Mar 12

tictoc1 says...

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE wrote:
WHO STILL CANT RESIST LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GEESE !!!
I don't think alot of these comments are about the geese anymore. Reading from top to bottom, some of you are like children in a play ground. It reads like alot of the comments are just a slanging match! Well done to Lady Tilly for uncovering the real Finsthwaite story and keep up the good work Henryalex! I still don't agree with the cull and I hope the gathered evidence can sway the answer but I'm not holding my breath.
[quote][p][bold]LADY TILLY WINDERMERE[/bold] wrote: WHO STILL CANT RESIST LOOKING AT THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE GEESE !!![/p][/quote]I don't think alot of these comments are about the geese anymore. Reading from top to bottom, some of you are like children in a play ground. It reads like alot of the comments are just a slanging match! Well done to Lady Tilly for uncovering the real Finsthwaite story and keep up the good work Henryalex! I still don't agree with the cull and I hope the gathered evidence can sway the answer but I'm not holding my breath. tictoc1
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2:26pm Tue 20 Mar 12

Spotty Fish says...

I couldn't agree more with tictoc1, you are all starting to look a bit silly now with all this ranting at each other. Surely you realise that it isn't helping the arguments that either side are putting forward. The fact is, as henryalex has shown, there doesn't seem to be a genuinely scientific sound reason for this cull.
I couldn't agree more with tictoc1, you are all starting to look a bit silly now with all this ranting at each other. Surely you realise that it isn't helping the arguments that either side are putting forward. The fact is, as henryalex has shown, there doesn't seem to be a genuinely scientific sound reason for this cull. Spotty Fish
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3:09pm Tue 20 Mar 12

henryalex says...

Just released by Animal Aid:

WINDERMERE GEESE: A HUMANE SOLUTION OFFERED
Posted 20 March 2012

Wildlife experts have today submitted a proposal to the Lake District National Park Authority, and to its partners on the Geese Management Group, offering a humane alternative to the mass cull of Canada geese that is due to take place in the coming weeks.
Clive Hartley – a goose expert who has conducted monthly counts of Canada geese at Windermere in recent years – and John Bryant from Humane Urban Wildlife Deterrence have together produced a document entitled Geese Management Plan for Windermere: A Proposal. Dr Roy Armstrong of the University of Cumbria, another goose expert, who sits on the Bird Strike Committee, acted as a consultant and has agreed its content.
The thoroughly-researche
d document recommends a 12-month moratorium. This is to allow further research to be carried out, and also for a package of humane measures to be devised and implemented. Egg oiling has already had a beneficial effect on geese numbers at Windermere, with the population of resident Canada geese stabilising over the last two years. The document’s authors argue that, with a holistic approach, much more could be achieved with regards to both the resident and migratory element of the population. The University of Cumbria’s Centre for Wildlife Conservation has expressed an interest in contributing to this humane scheme.
The proposal comes just one day after the RSPCA issued a statement saying: ‘We requested a meeting with the Windermere Geese Management Group to discuss our concerns and we're deeply disappointed that they have rejected our request. There are alternative solutions that don't involve the killing of vast numbers of birds and our specialist wildlife experts are prepared to work with them on this, but this offer has not been taken up.’
Says Animal Aid’s Head of Campaigns, Kate Fowler:
‘The Lake District National Park Authority now has its pick of experts, and there is no doubt that a humane solution can be found. John Bryant has worked in humane deterrence for decades, and never had to resort to killing a single bird or animal. Dr Roy Armstrong has successfully reduced the number of geese at Belfast Airport, again without causing a single death. And now the RSPCA has also offered up its own experts. If the Lake District National Park Authority chooses to ignore all the help, advice and expertise available to it and persists with its plan to shoot the birds on their nests, we can only conclude that it is the killing that interests them, not the reduction in bird numbers.’
Just released by Animal Aid: WINDERMERE GEESE: A HUMANE SOLUTION OFFERED Posted 20 March 2012 Wildlife experts have today submitted a proposal to the Lake District National Park Authority, and to its partners on the Geese Management Group, offering a humane alternative to the mass cull of Canada geese that is due to take place in the coming weeks. Clive Hartley – a goose expert who has conducted monthly counts of Canada geese at Windermere in recent years – and John Bryant from Humane Urban Wildlife Deterrence have together produced a document entitled Geese Management Plan for Windermere: A Proposal. Dr Roy Armstrong of the University of Cumbria, another goose expert, who sits on the Bird Strike Committee, acted as a consultant and has agreed its content. The thoroughly-researche d document recommends a 12-month moratorium. This is to allow further research to be carried out, and also for a package of humane measures to be devised and implemented. Egg oiling has already had a beneficial effect on geese numbers at Windermere, with the population of resident Canada geese stabilising over the last two years. The document’s authors argue that, with a holistic approach, much more could be achieved with regards to both the resident and migratory element of the population. The University of Cumbria’s Centre for Wildlife Conservation has expressed an interest in contributing to this humane scheme. The proposal comes just one day after the RSPCA issued a statement saying: ‘We requested a meeting with the Windermere Geese Management Group to discuss our concerns and we're deeply disappointed that they have rejected our request. There are alternative solutions that don't involve the killing of vast numbers of birds and our specialist wildlife experts are prepared to work with them on this, but this offer has not been taken up.’ Says Animal Aid’s Head of Campaigns, Kate Fowler: ‘The Lake District National Park Authority now has its pick of experts, and there is no doubt that a humane solution can be found. John Bryant has worked in humane deterrence for decades, and never had to resort to killing a single bird or animal. Dr Roy Armstrong has successfully reduced the number of geese at Belfast Airport, again without causing a single death. And now the RSPCA has also offered up its own experts. If the Lake District National Park Authority chooses to ignore all the help, advice and expertise available to it and persists with its plan to shoot the birds on their nests, we can only conclude that it is the killing that interests them, not the reduction in bird numbers.’ henryalex
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3:50pm Tue 20 Mar 12

Wilson Grizleymire says...

I have not read all the comments above .But is it not just a case of management of numbers ? Seems to me that if they are going to be shot best make the best of it.
~ 4 cups diced wild goose
~ 3 cups wild rice
~ 7 cups chicken broth
~ 1 small can sliced mushrooms
~ 4 tbsp. chopped onion
~ 1/2 tsp. chopped garlic
~ 1 tsp. salt
~ 1/2 tsp. pepper
~ 1 pint heavy cream
~ 1 tsp. butter
~ 1 cup chopped celery
~ 4 tbsp. grated Parmesan cheese

Cook the rice in 5 cups of the chicken broth until done.

In a large bowl, toss together the rice, goose and mushrooms.

Add the remaining 2 cups chicken broth, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, cream, butter and celery. Mix together.

Pour into a baking dish and sprinkle on the Parmesan cheese.

Bake for 1 hour at 350 degrees.

Serve and Enjoy!
I have not read all the comments above .But is it not just a case of management of numbers ? Seems to me that if they are going to be shot best make the best of it. ~ 4 cups diced wild goose ~ 3 cups wild rice ~ 7 cups chicken broth ~ 1 small can sliced mushrooms ~ 4 tbsp. chopped onion ~ 1/2 tsp. chopped garlic ~ 1 tsp. salt ~ 1/2 tsp. pepper ~ 1 pint heavy cream ~ 1 tsp. butter ~ 1 cup chopped celery ~ 4 tbsp. grated Parmesan cheese Cook the rice in 5 cups of the chicken broth until done. In a large bowl, toss together the rice, goose and mushrooms. Add the remaining 2 cups chicken broth, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, cream, butter and celery. Mix together. Pour into a baking dish and sprinkle on the Parmesan cheese. Bake for 1 hour at 350 degrees. Serve and Enjoy! Wilson Grizleymire
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7:28pm Tue 20 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

Wilson Grizleymire wrote:
I have not read all the comments above .But is it not just a case of management of numbers ? Seems to me that if they are going to be shot best make the best of it.
~ 4 cups diced wild goose
~ 3 cups wild rice
~ 7 cups chicken broth
~ 1 small can sliced mushrooms
~ 4 tbsp. chopped onion
~ 1/2 tsp. chopped garlic
~ 1 tsp. salt
~ 1/2 tsp. pepper
~ 1 pint heavy cream
~ 1 tsp. butter
~ 1 cup chopped celery
~ 4 tbsp. grated Parmesan cheese

Cook the rice in 5 cups of the chicken broth until done.

In a large bowl, toss together the rice, goose and mushrooms.

Add the remaining 2 cups chicken broth, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, cream, butter and celery. Mix together.

Pour into a baking dish and sprinkle on the Parmesan cheese.

Bake for 1 hour at 350 degrees.

Serve and Enjoy!
The trouble is when LDNPA shot the geese one year they dumped the geese carcasses in the skips near the ferry at ferry nab carpark they just stunk the skips out, so they were not even used to feed the staving or given to the Salvation soup kitchens quite a waste I rather see the geese swimming on the lake than shot and dumped in a skip to rot. !!!
[quote][p][bold]Wilson Grizleymire[/bold] wrote: I have not read all the comments above .But is it not just a case of management of numbers ? Seems to me that if they are going to be shot best make the best of it. ~ 4 cups diced wild goose ~ 3 cups wild rice ~ 7 cups chicken broth ~ 1 small can sliced mushrooms ~ 4 tbsp. chopped onion ~ 1/2 tsp. chopped garlic ~ 1 tsp. salt ~ 1/2 tsp. pepper ~ 1 pint heavy cream ~ 1 tsp. butter ~ 1 cup chopped celery ~ 4 tbsp. grated Parmesan cheese Cook the rice in 5 cups of the chicken broth until done. In a large bowl, toss together the rice, goose and mushrooms. Add the remaining 2 cups chicken broth, onion, garlic, salt, pepper, cream, butter and celery. Mix together. Pour into a baking dish and sprinkle on the Parmesan cheese. Bake for 1 hour at 350 degrees. Serve and Enjoy![/p][/quote]The trouble is when LDNPA shot the geese one year they dumped the geese carcasses in the skips near the ferry at ferry nab carpark they just stunk the skips out, so they were not even used to feed the staving or given to the Salvation soup kitchens quite a waste I rather see the geese swimming on the lake than shot and dumped in a skip to rot. !!! LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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7:38pm Tue 20 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

Carlisle News & Star
News

Planned cull of Canada geese at Windermere is barbaric, says RSPCA


By Victoria Brenan

Published at 11:24, Tuesday, 20 March 2012


The chief executive of the RSPCA said a proposed cull of 200 geese on Windermere wouldn’t work and was barbaric.

Gavin Grant revealed they had asked to meet with the Geese Management Group from the Lake District National Park Authority but had been turned down.

They were “deeply disappointed,” he said, and described the proposed cull as “a bloody stain on the beautiful waters of Lake Windermere which will take many years to wash away.”

The LDNPA confirmed earlier this month that it was to kill the birds, on the grounds that the “non-native invasive species” is damaging the environment in and around the lake.

Mr Grant said they wanted to meet the group to discuss their opinion that the cull would be ‘utterly ineffectual as well as immoral.’

“Shooting birds on the nest is barbaric and has the potential to cause a great deal of suffering and it simply won’t work as other non-nesting birds will quickly move in to replace them,” he said.

“We will now be writing formally to the Lake District National Park Authority setting out this information.

“There are alternative solutions that don’t involve the killing of vast numbers of birds and our specialist wildlife experts are prepared to work with them on this, but this offer has not been taken up.”

He said that if the cull was to go ahead they would take up an offer to observe it.

“We give due notice that should our expectations that it cannot be carried out lawfully prove to be correct we will not hesitate to move forward to prosecute those involved,” he warned.

“We call on those who love the Lake District to join us in urging the National Park Authority to call off the cull..
Carlisle News & Star News Planned cull of Canada geese at Windermere is barbaric, says RSPCA By Victoria Brenan Published at 11:24, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 The chief executive of the RSPCA said a proposed cull of 200 geese on Windermere wouldn’t work and was barbaric. Gavin Grant revealed they had asked to meet with the Geese Management Group from the Lake District National Park Authority but had been turned down. They were “deeply disappointed,” he said, and described the proposed cull as “a bloody stain on the beautiful waters of Lake Windermere which will take many years to wash away.” The LDNPA confirmed earlier this month that it was to kill the birds, on the grounds that the “non-native invasive species” is damaging the environment in and around the lake. Mr Grant said they wanted to meet the group to discuss their opinion that the cull would be ‘utterly ineffectual as well as immoral.’ “Shooting birds on the nest is barbaric and has the potential to cause a great deal of suffering and it simply won’t work as other non-nesting birds will quickly move in to replace them,” he said. “We will now be writing formally to the Lake District National Park Authority setting out this information. “There are alternative solutions that don’t involve the killing of vast numbers of birds and our specialist wildlife experts are prepared to work with them on this, but this offer has not been taken up.” He said that if the cull was to go ahead they would take up an offer to observe it. “We give due notice that should our expectations that it cannot be carried out lawfully prove to be correct we will not hesitate to move forward to prosecute those involved,” he warned. “We call on those who love the Lake District to join us in urging the National Park Authority to call off the cull.. LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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8:28pm Tue 20 Mar 12

snuggle-bunny says...

why not cull a few farmers instead
why not cull a few farmers instead snuggle-bunny
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9:05pm Tue 20 Mar 12

snuggle-bunny says...

why not cull a few farmers instead
why not cull a few farmers instead snuggle-bunny
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12:00pm Wed 21 Mar 12

robiin says...

Lady Tilly, please tell us more about the dumped bodies of the geese, apparently LDNPA know nothing about this? ho ho ho.
Can we have the details then I qill contract them and remind them about this incident as it seems to have slipped their memory? Thanks
Lady Tilly, please tell us more about the dumped bodies of the geese, apparently LDNPA know nothing about this? ho ho ho. Can we have the details then I qill contract them and remind them about this incident as it seems to have slipped their memory? Thanks robiin
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1:56pm Wed 21 Mar 12

twitchy says...

I wonder how the council reacted to that you are expected to bag everything up before you bin it in this area, or did they use private contractors?

Its a disgrace!!
I wonder how the council reacted to that you are expected to bag everything up before you bin it in this area, or did they use private contractors? Its a disgrace!! twitchy
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6:35pm Wed 21 Mar 12

henryalex says...

The Windermere Geese cull has been cancelled! Thank you to everyone who has supported the campaign in any way.

However the statement from the GMG sounds resentful. "Just emerged," new evidence!

Still quoting harm that the geese do as factual when they have no evidence. Thye will need closely watching in the future.

The Windermere Geese Management Group has issued the following statement today:

"The Windermere Geese Management Group (WGMG) met this week to discuss the proposed cull of Canada Geese on Windermere.
The group remains committed to the management of Canada Geese on Windermere as these feral non-native species have a detrimental impact on the area:

• Damage to shoreline habitats.
• Displacement of native species.
• Damage to farm grazing and crop land.
• Pollution of public and private recreational land.
• Public health concerns from pathogens, bacteria and parasites.

However, the group has always said that we would review and monitor our approach in response to developments, whilst also taking public concerns into consideration.

At a meeting on 20 March the group decided to defer the proposed cull, allowing us to fully explore newly presented options which have recently emerged.
While culling remains an option the group intends to meet with the
organisations and individuals in the near future to discuss alternative
approaches to management. Meanwhile, the group also intends to gather more evidence on the adverse impact of geese on land management, wildlife and visitor enjoyment. Non-lethal control measures will continue to be used during 2012.""
The Windermere Geese cull has been cancelled! Thank you to everyone who has supported the campaign in any way. However the statement from the GMG sounds resentful. "Just emerged," new evidence! Still quoting harm that the geese do as factual when they have no evidence. Thye will need closely watching in the future. The Windermere Geese Management Group has issued the following statement today: "The Windermere Geese Management Group (WGMG) met this week to discuss the proposed cull of Canada Geese on Windermere. The group remains committed to the management of Canada Geese on Windermere as these feral non-native species have a detrimental impact on the area: • Damage to shoreline habitats. • Displacement of native species. • Damage to farm grazing and crop land. • Pollution of public and private recreational land. • Public health concerns from pathogens, bacteria and parasites. However, the group has always said that we would review and monitor our approach in response to developments, whilst also taking public concerns into consideration. At a meeting on 20 March the group decided to defer the proposed cull, allowing us to fully explore newly presented options which have recently emerged. While culling remains an option the group intends to meet with the organisations and individuals in the near future to discuss alternative approaches to management. Meanwhile, the group also intends to gather more evidence on the adverse impact of geese on land management, wildlife and visitor enjoyment. Non-lethal control measures will continue to be used during 2012."" henryalex
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7:51pm Wed 21 Mar 12

LADY TILLY WINDERMERE says...

henryalex wrote:
The Windermere Geese cull has been cancelled! Thank you to everyone who has supported the campaign in any way.

However the statement from the GMG sounds resentful. "Just emerged," new evidence!

Still quoting harm that the geese do as factual when they have no evidence. Thye will need closely watching in the future.

The Windermere Geese Management Group has issued the following statement today:

"The Windermere Geese Management Group (WGMG) met this week to discuss the proposed cull of Canada Geese on Windermere.
The group remains committed to the management of Canada Geese on Windermere as these feral non-native species have a detrimental impact on the area:

• Damage to shoreline habitats.
• Displacement of native species.
• Damage to farm grazing and crop land.
• Pollution of public and private recreational land.
• Public health concerns from pathogens, bacteria and parasites.

However, the group has always said that we would review and monitor our approach in response to developments, whilst also taking public concerns into consideration.

At a meeting on 20 March the group decided to defer the proposed cull, allowing us to fully explore newly presented options which have recently emerged.
While culling remains an option the group intends to meet with the
organisations and individuals in the near future to discuss alternative
approaches to management. Meanwhile, the group also intends to gather more evidence on the adverse impact of geese on land management, wildlife and visitor enjoyment. Non-lethal control measures will continue to be used during 2012.""
fab result
[quote][p][bold]henryalex[/bold] wrote: The Windermere Geese cull has been cancelled! Thank you to everyone who has supported the campaign in any way. However the statement from the GMG sounds resentful. "Just emerged," new evidence! Still quoting harm that the geese do as factual when they have no evidence. Thye will need closely watching in the future. The Windermere Geese Management Group has issued the following statement today: "The Windermere Geese Management Group (WGMG) met this week to discuss the proposed cull of Canada Geese on Windermere. The group remains committed to the management of Canada Geese on Windermere as these feral non-native species have a detrimental impact on the area: • Damage to shoreline habitats. • Displacement of native species. • Damage to farm grazing and crop land. • Pollution of public and private recreational land. • Public health concerns from pathogens, bacteria and parasites. However, the group has always said that we would review and monitor our approach in response to developments, whilst also taking public concerns into consideration. At a meeting on 20 March the group decided to defer the proposed cull, allowing us to fully explore newly presented options which have recently emerged. While culling remains an option the group intends to meet with the organisations and individuals in the near future to discuss alternative approaches to management. Meanwhile, the group also intends to gather more evidence on the adverse impact of geese on land management, wildlife and visitor enjoyment. Non-lethal control measures will continue to be used during 2012.""[/p][/quote]fab result LADY TILLY WINDERMERE
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9:13pm Wed 21 Mar 12

twitchy says...

We must continue until culling is NO longer an option. Anyone know the situation regarding Greylag Geese, Cormorants and Ruddy Ducks these are also on Natural Englands death list.
We must continue until culling is NO longer an option. Anyone know the situation regarding Greylag Geese, Cormorants and Ruddy Ducks these are also on Natural Englands death list. twitchy
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9:26pm Wed 21 Mar 12

zaney5 says...

Fab result indeed. Such a shame that our own local rag can't even report the story when it's all over the BBC.
Fab result indeed. Such a shame that our own local rag can't even report the story when it's all over the BBC. zaney5
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9:36pm Wed 21 Mar 12

Cas220 says...

twitchy wrote:
We must continue until culling is NO longer an option. Anyone know the situation regarding Greylag Geese, Cormorants and Ruddy Ducks these are also on Natural Englands death list.
I believe they plan to kill off the remaining 400 or so Ruddy ducks left this year.....
[quote][p][bold]twitchy[/bold] wrote: We must continue until culling is NO longer an option. Anyone know the situation regarding Greylag Geese, Cormorants and Ruddy Ducks these are also on Natural Englands death list.[/p][/quote]I believe they plan to kill off the remaining 400 or so Ruddy ducks left this year..... Cas220
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10:46pm Wed 21 Mar 12

henryalex says...

The WG have really lost credibility over this. the have never answered the issues regarding the Heskeths and their, 'farm,' in Finsthwaite. AS you say zaney5 no mention on their news page of the cull being cancelled this year.

Why do these people want to cull so many species? It is the equivalent of racism in humans. The talk about, 'feral,' species when these are beautiful sentient creatures. With the WElsh badger cull decision and this decision shows how public opinion can be effective. Last year they were proposing to cull eagle Owls until there was a public outcry.

Also not heard anything through this from the MP tim Farron, so called moral, principled politician. Obviously put his political ambition above morality unlike Clive Hartley who resigned on principle from the GMG.
Still would like to know exactly which individuals make up this group.
The WG have really lost credibility over this. the have never answered the issues regarding the Heskeths and their, 'farm,' in Finsthwaite. AS you say zaney5 no mention on their news page of the cull being cancelled this year. Why do these people want to cull so many species? It is the equivalent of racism in humans. The talk about, 'feral,' species when these are beautiful sentient creatures. With the WElsh badger cull decision and this decision shows how public opinion can be effective. Last year they were proposing to cull eagle Owls until there was a public outcry. Also not heard anything through this from the MP tim Farron, so called moral, principled politician. Obviously put his political ambition above morality unlike Clive Hartley who resigned on principle from the GMG. Still would like to know exactly which individuals make up this group. henryalex
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8:41pm Thu 22 Mar 12

tictoc1 says...

Fantastic news! Well done to everyone that has fought against the cull! :-D
Fantastic news! Well done to everyone that has fought against the cull! :-D tictoc1
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4:21am Fri 23 Mar 12

Wilson Grizleymire says...

Well thats it for now Lady Windermere can spend the summer fanning herself as she tends her Himalayan Balsom and GIANT Hogweed whilst the Muntjac clan nip off the tops of her water lettuce and thrive.
Meanwhile many of "our own"
species suffer,Most of the fritillary's,Corn crake,sand Lizards,Great crested newt to name a few from a long list.
I have nothing against geese in fact I am partial to a roasted leg But I do think that charity begins at home and it saddens me greatly when so many of our NATIVE species are crying out for help yet so much effort has been put in to saving a few immigrants. Ruddy Ducks Oh the Irony here Originaly escaped from the RSPB reserve at Slimbridge in the 50's Twitchy so may be they won't be too noisy when the time comes to have a thin out.
People and wildlife can live in harmony but there has to be managment,we do it with domestic pet's **** are spayed and dogs are nipped(ouch) otherwise we would be over run. And so it is with wildlife it has to be managed and the sooner everybody understands this and starts putting the same effort in to our endangered species the more I will enjoy life.
Wilson.
Well thats it for now Lady Windermere can spend the summer fanning herself as she tends her Himalayan Balsom and GIANT Hogweed whilst the Muntjac clan nip off the tops of her water lettuce and thrive. Meanwhile many of "our own" species suffer,Most of the fritillary's,Corn crake,sand Lizards,Great crested newt to name a few from a long list. I have nothing against geese in fact I am partial to a roasted leg But I do think that charity begins at home and it saddens me greatly when so many of our NATIVE species are crying out for help yet so much effort has been put in to saving a few immigrants. Ruddy Ducks Oh the Irony here Originaly escaped from the RSPB reserve at Slimbridge in the 50's Twitchy so may be they won't be too noisy when the time comes to have a thin out. People and wildlife can live in harmony but there has to be managment,we do it with domestic pet's **** are spayed and dogs are nipped(ouch) otherwise we would be over run. And so it is with wildlife it has to be managed and the sooner everybody understands this and starts putting the same effort in to our endangered species the more I will enjoy life. Wilson. Wilson Grizleymire
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10:15am Fri 23 Mar 12

twitchy says...

With respect Wilson, the welfare groups have never said the Geese should not be managed so long as non lethal methods are used and in the case of the Geese it does work. The Canada Geese have been here for around 400years, so how much longer do they have to be here to be "native". There is a stable group of about 300 around the Lakes, they are part of the Lake scene and visitors enjoy seeing them. To be fair I think a lot of effort does go into saving natives and some of the "Lost species" will be down to climate change, population movement and pollution by man. Nature is an ever changing and moveable feast.
With respect Wilson, the welfare groups have never said the Geese should not be managed so long as non lethal methods are used and in the case of the Geese it does work. The Canada Geese have been here for around 400years, so how much longer do they have to be here to be "native". There is a stable group of about 300 around the Lakes, they are part of the Lake scene and visitors enjoy seeing them. To be fair I think a lot of effort does go into saving natives and some of the "Lost species" will be down to climate change, population movement and pollution by man. Nature is an ever changing and moveable feast. twitchy
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