Dog foulers beware as SLDC brings in tough new powers

DOG owners who let their pets foul public areas or off the lead near urban roads could face fixed penalty fines of £75 under sweeping new powers agreed this morning. (Wednesday)

South Lakeland District Council’s ruling Cabinet approved the introduction of four new dog control orders to act as a fresh deterrent to those who fail to clean up after their pets.

It says the new measures - which follow public consultation - are designed to deal with a major annoyance to law-abiding residents and responsible dog walkers.

Four SLDC enforcement officers as well as local Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) and police officers now have powers to:

* Issue fixed penalty notices of £75

* Refer offenders to magistrates if they refuse to pay (where fines could be upto £1,000)

* Challenge people allowing their pets to roam or foul certain areas where dogs are excluded

The new orders cover vast swathes of council land including 51 children’s play areas across South Lakeland, 20 sports pitches and nine cemeteries, among others.

One of the more complex new rules is the Dogs On Leads Order.

It applies to ‘all land in the district within 10 metres of a public highway where there is a speed limit of 30mph or under.

It covers ‘roads, carriageways, footpaths, footways, alleyways, yards and verges’.

It means dogs would not be allowed off the lead on promenades like Arnside, Ambleside or Bowness - although Grange Promenade is excluded.

However, the authority has conceded it faces a major headache in communicating the orders to the public and explaining where the rules apply.

Coun David Williams, leader of the Conservative opposition, said: ‘The orders are so complex that the public will find difficulty in understanding them.'

Fellow Conservative Coun John Holmes said SLDC needed to commit to explaining the new rules in ‘plain English’.

Council leader Peter Thornton said the council would ‘not have an army of dog catchers’ and the law-abiding majority had little to fear.

“The few that don’t will find they are targeted,’ said Coun Thornton who said the authority would act on intelligence received from the public and use it to crackdown on certain hot spots.

‘We will send someone there, they will watch that area and prosecutions will ultimately ensue,’ warned Coun Thornton.

The authority will spend £15,000 on new signage and says the changes will be communicated through newspaper adverts, publicity and online information.

Coun Sue Sanderson, who presented the report, said following the consultation the authority had made amendments to the orders to accommodate some concerns.

‘There has been a great concern about this issue from the public and that is where this has come from. This really does address issues with irresponsible dog owners'.

Not date has yet been set for when the orders will be implemented and advance notice of their introduction has to be given first.

For more information on the orders and areas, visit: http://www.southlakeland.gov.uk/services/environment-and-waste/dog-fouling/dog-control-order-maps.aspx

 

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12:47pm Wed 29 May 13

Adam_Kendal says...

"One of the more complex new rules is the Dogs On Leads Order. It applies to ‘all land in the district within 10 metres of a public highway where there is a speed limit of 30mph or under."

WHAT?? Who the H*LL thought this one up? Will SLDC supply all dog owners with a tape measure?
"One of the more complex new rules is the Dogs On Leads Order. It applies to ‘all land in the district within 10 metres of a public highway where there is a speed limit of 30mph or under." WHAT?? Who the H*LL thought this one up? Will SLDC supply all dog owners with a tape measure? Adam_Kendal
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1:47pm Wed 29 May 13

elementary says...

Please will someone explain why there is a need for the Dogs On Leads Order.
No doubt I am being rather dense on this but I cannot see what it will achieve.
Please will someone explain why there is a need for the Dogs On Leads Order. No doubt I am being rather dense on this but I cannot see what it will achieve. elementary
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2:37pm Wed 29 May 13

newcmr says...

Don't be daft !! Obviously a dog on a lead also has a cork inserted at the other end!
ps
I am too old to do metric and the dogs got numerical dyslexia!
Don't be daft !! Obviously a dog on a lead also has a cork inserted at the other end! ps I am too old to do metric and the dogs got numerical dyslexia! newcmr
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2:56pm Wed 29 May 13

elementary says...

Perhaps the answer is to go to your local hardware shop and ask for 10 metres of washing line - one end for you and one end for the dog. Baling twine would do too.
Still don't know why though.
Perhaps the answer is to go to your local hardware shop and ask for 10 metres of washing line - one end for you and one end for the dog. Baling twine would do too. Still don't know why though. elementary
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3:03pm Wed 29 May 13

magical trevor says...

They are DOG CONTROL ORDERS, which ultimately include the control of dogs...not just the reduction of dog fouling. OBVIOUSLY that means keeping your dog on a lead and therefore under control rather than letting it run free and causing a nuisance. Why do you insist on being so reluctant to using what little common sense you obviously have? Read the article thoroughly before you attempt to make any serious comments.

Adam_Kendal - if you have any problem with the 10 metre rule, simply don't let your dog off the lead if you think you may be breaking the bye-law. It really is as simple as that.
They are DOG CONTROL ORDERS, which ultimately include the control of dogs...not just the reduction of dog fouling. OBVIOUSLY that means keeping your dog on a lead and therefore under control rather than letting it run free and causing a nuisance. Why do you insist on being so reluctant to using what little common sense you obviously have? Read the article thoroughly before you attempt to make any serious comments. Adam_Kendal - if you have any problem with the 10 metre rule, simply don't let your dog off the lead if you think you may be breaking the bye-law. It really is as simple as that. magical trevor
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3:22pm Wed 29 May 13

brokenbanjo says...

My dog is under control off the lead, she walks 2m in front of me. I have no problems with her requiring a lead ever. So now I have to take a lead out if I want to walk her anywhere. Absolute nonsense. I also play fetch with my dog, sometimes on open areas that are within the 10m distance from the road, am I now unable do that? I understand the fouling thing, it riles me. But the on lead thing is just utter nonsense.
My dog is under control off the lead, she walks 2m in front of me. I have no problems with her requiring a lead ever. So now I have to take a lead out if I want to walk her anywhere. Absolute nonsense. I also play fetch with my dog, sometimes on open areas that are within the 10m distance from the road, am I now unable do that? I understand the fouling thing, it riles me. But the on lead thing is just utter nonsense. brokenbanjo
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3:27pm Wed 29 May 13

elementary says...

Goodness me magical trevor, what side of the bed did you get out of this morning?
My dog stays close and comes when it is called, so is under control whether it is on or off its lead.
If I thought it was in any danger, or likely to be a nuisance, I would, like all other responsible dog owners, put it on a lead. I certainly don't need to be told when this is necessary.
Goodness me magical trevor, what side of the bed did you get out of this morning? My dog stays close and comes when it is called, so is under control whether it is on or off its lead. If I thought it was in any danger, or likely to be a nuisance, I would, like all other responsible dog owners, put it on a lead. I certainly don't need to be told when this is necessary. elementary
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3:31pm Wed 29 May 13

magical trevor says...

Any dog off its lead is NOT 100% under control. Much as you, as a dog owner, would like to think that you have your dog under your control, there will always be situations where it will prove you wrong.
Any dog off its lead is NOT 100% under control. Much as you, as a dog owner, would like to think that you have your dog under your control, there will always be situations where it will prove you wrong. magical trevor
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4:03pm Wed 29 May 13

elementary says...

As I said, if I am not happy for it to be free, it goes on a lead. The Dog Control Order is another example of idiotic bureaucracy imposed on people who have managed very well without it.
Irresponsible dog owners will continue to be irresponsible and, personally, I resent the council tax I pay being spent on such an unworkable scheme.
As I said, if I am not happy for it to be free, it goes on a lead. The Dog Control Order is another example of idiotic bureaucracy imposed on people who have managed very well without it. Irresponsible dog owners will continue to be irresponsible and, personally, I resent the council tax I pay being spent on such an unworkable scheme. elementary
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4:17pm Wed 29 May 13

magical trevor says...

It went to public consultation...so your peers, neighbours and many others wanted these control orders. It hasn't been foisted onto the public by the council...they were put in place as a result of the many complaints that the authority received and continue to receive.
It went to public consultation...so your peers, neighbours and many others wanted these control orders. It hasn't been foisted onto the public by the council...they were put in place as a result of the many complaints that the authority received and continue to receive. magical trevor
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4:20pm Wed 29 May 13

Cas220 says...

These measures will be enforced in the same way that current control orders are....as in NOT AT ALL. We even, apparently, have the Police handing out fines where I live yet there is still dog mess all over. And I know plenty of people who never put a lead on their dogs, even when walking on the roads (we don't have pavements in the country), there is no way they will be abiding these 'laws'. I sincerely hope SLDC didn't spend a lot of money on this 'initiative'.
These measures will be enforced in the same way that current control orders are....as in NOT AT ALL. We even, apparently, have the Police handing out fines where I live yet there is still dog mess all over. And I know plenty of people who never put a lead on their dogs, even when walking on the roads (we don't have pavements in the country), there is no way they will be abiding these 'laws'. I sincerely hope SLDC didn't spend a lot of money on this 'initiative'. Cas220
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4:32pm Wed 29 May 13

magical trevor says...

Why don't we all just give it a go, instead of just moaning about anything that SLDC do.
Why don't we all just give it a go, instead of just moaning about anything that SLDC do. magical trevor
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4:43pm Wed 29 May 13

elementary says...

When SLDC do something worthwhile we will all stop moaning. There are many other issues that are far more important than if a dog is on a lead or not.
When SLDC do something worthwhile we will all stop moaning. There are many other issues that are far more important than if a dog is on a lead or not. elementary
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4:53pm Wed 29 May 13

zaney5 says...

magical trevor wrote:
Any dog off its lead is NOT 100% under control. Much as you, as a dog owner, would like to think that you have your dog under your control, there will always be situations where it will prove you wrong.
To be fair I have to agree here. A dog, however much the owner thinks is under control, can be unpredictable.

I'm betting the dog that was allowed to foul a childrens playground on Archers Meadow wasn't under control.
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: Any dog off its lead is NOT 100% under control. Much as you, as a dog owner, would like to think that you have your dog under your control, there will always be situations where it will prove you wrong.[/p][/quote]To be fair I have to agree here. A dog, however much the owner thinks is under control, can be unpredictable. I'm betting the dog that was allowed to foul a childrens playground on Archers Meadow wasn't under control. zaney5
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5:23pm Wed 29 May 13

Hoad Hill says...

This is yet more LibDem nonsense. Very recently Thornton while trying to justify the almost total lack of enforcement of this issue told us that it was all about education and he didn't want people to be prosecuted...now this.
Of one thing you can be sure...LibDems are quite unable to make up their minds about anything, be it local or national.
This is yet more LibDem nonsense. Very recently Thornton while trying to justify the almost total lack of enforcement of this issue told us that it was all about education and he didn't want people to be prosecuted...now this. Of one thing you can be sure...LibDems are quite unable to make up their minds about anything, be it local or national. Hoad Hill
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5:44pm Wed 29 May 13

elementary says...

You cannot stop a dog fouling but you can pick it up. It will have a poo whether it is on a lead or not. The dog on Archers Meadow was either unsupervised or with an owner who did not care. NO amount of Dog Control Orders will prevent this happening when inconsiderate, selfish and unsuitable people are allowed to own dogs.
You cannot stop a dog fouling but you can pick it up. It will have a poo whether it is on a lead or not. The dog on Archers Meadow was either unsupervised or with an owner who did not care. NO amount of Dog Control Orders will prevent this happening when inconsiderate, selfish and unsuitable people are allowed to own dogs. elementary
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7:15pm Wed 29 May 13

jazzactivist says...

I'm a dog owner, but have to say that I agree with magical trevor. Despite what some owners may believe, a dog is NOT under control if it is off the lead. No human is as quick as a dog if something happens. I am very disappointed that GoS Prom has been excluded from the dogs on leads legislation. I live in Grange, and walked my dog on the Prom last Sunday evening. He was on a short lead and walking close to me, but we were threatened by an alsation that was off the lead. The family were allowing their young daughter to walk alongside it carrying a lead, but when their dog bared its teeth and leapt at mine the girl was knocked out of the way and the man wasn't quick enough to catch it and put the lead on. Smiling and saying sorry isn't enough. It could have been nasty.

I think this legislation by SLDC is too complex. A straightforward dogs on leads everywhere, except on your own land, and must be cleaned up after every time wherever you are would be best. Then there can be no messing around ('scuse the pun) with whether or not the law was broken. It would also be easier for people to remind one another of the law. I don't know why the Council is being so timid about it and allowing so many loopholes. As dog owners it is our responsibility to ensure that our dogs are always under our control and not fouling. It's easy to do, so why don't people want to do it?
I'm a dog owner, but have to say that I agree with magical trevor. Despite what some owners may believe, a dog is NOT under control if it is off the lead. No human is as quick as a dog if something happens. I am very disappointed that GoS Prom has been excluded from the dogs on leads legislation. I live in Grange, and walked my dog on the Prom last Sunday evening. He was on a short lead and walking close to me, but we were threatened by an alsation that was off the lead. The family were allowing their young daughter to walk alongside it carrying a lead, but when their dog bared its teeth and leapt at mine the girl was knocked out of the way and the man wasn't quick enough to catch it and put the lead on. Smiling and saying sorry isn't enough. It could have been nasty. I think this legislation by SLDC is too complex. A straightforward dogs on leads everywhere, except on your own land, and must be cleaned up after every time wherever you are would be best. Then there can be no messing around ('scuse the pun) with whether or not the law was broken. It would also be easier for people to remind one another of the law. I don't know why the Council is being so timid about it and allowing so many loopholes. As dog owners it is our responsibility to ensure that our dogs are always under our control and not fouling. It's easy to do, so why don't people want to do it? jazzactivist
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7:29pm Wed 29 May 13

dancer58 says...

Well I think South Lakeland District Council’s ruling Cabinet are "BARKING"
What a total waste of public money yet again
How on earth are you going to regulate it , oh dear didn't think about that one .
Well I think South Lakeland District Council’s ruling Cabinet are "BARKING" What a total waste of public money yet again How on earth are you going to regulate it , oh dear didn't think about that one . dancer58
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7:37pm Wed 29 May 13

jazzactivist says...

Perhaps SLDC should create some local job opportunities by appointing dog wardens. Other regions have them, so I don't see why ours should be the exception. Or appoint voluntary dog wardens who get paid expenses. I'm so sick of encountering ignorant owners with their dogs off the lead and / or allowing them to foul and blithely walking on that I'd do it
Perhaps SLDC should create some local job opportunities by appointing dog wardens. Other regions have them, so I don't see why ours should be the exception. Or appoint voluntary dog wardens who get paid expenses. I'm so sick of encountering ignorant owners with their dogs off the lead and / or allowing them to foul and blithely walking on that I'd do it jazzactivist
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9:15pm Wed 29 May 13

Pringle1982 says...

I never let my dogs off a lead where they could be in danger - so that includes most places within 10 metres of a road. That's just plain flipping common sense.

I also agree about dogs off leads. I have a rather dominant dog in my 4 and we NEVER let him off the lead anywhere we don't know, and even in the places we know unless we've checked there's no one around, but the number of times (3 on tonight's walk) I've had to tell people "my dog isn't good with other dogs, please don't bring yours close" only to be told "oh, my dog is fine with others." But mine ISN'T and I've told you that!

If the minority get done good! The real issue where I live is people letting their dogs out on their own, who do you fine then?

I don't know why you'd go to a public place and not clean up after your dog. You don't want to pick up dog poop, don't get a dog, simple really.
I never let my dogs off a lead where they could be in danger - so that includes most places within 10 metres of a road. That's just plain flipping common sense. I also agree about dogs off leads. I have a rather dominant dog in my 4 and we NEVER let him off the lead anywhere we don't know, and even in the places we know unless we've checked there's no one around, but the number of times (3 on tonight's walk) I've had to tell people "my dog isn't good with other dogs, please don't bring yours close" only to be told "oh, my dog is fine with others." But mine ISN'T and I've told you that! If the minority get done good! The real issue where I live is people letting their dogs out on their own, who do you fine then? I don't know why you'd go to a public place and not clean up after your dog. You don't want to pick up dog poop, don't get a dog, simple really. Pringle1982
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9:49pm Wed 29 May 13

worldsgonemad says...

When it comes to people cleaning up after their dogs those with their dogs on leads are always aware that they are doing it and usually clean it up. Those that pass my house and have their dogs off the lead are the worst offenders, they walk ahead and don't stop if the dog does only stopping to call them when they want to cross the road. I know many dog owners are responsible but many aren't and if they think no one has seen their dog leave a mess they will just leave it anywhere. I only hope that now they have decided on this that they do actually action things and try to clean up areas for kids in particular.
When it comes to people cleaning up after their dogs those with their dogs on leads are always aware that they are doing it and usually clean it up. Those that pass my house and have their dogs off the lead are the worst offenders, they walk ahead and don't stop if the dog does only stopping to call them when they want to cross the road. I know many dog owners are responsible but many aren't and if they think no one has seen their dog leave a mess they will just leave it anywhere. I only hope that now they have decided on this that they do actually action things and try to clean up areas for kids in particular. worldsgonemad
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11:52pm Wed 29 May 13

KendalSmithy says...

Young and lively dogs are rarely under full control wherever they are. Last Sunday I nearly killed one with my car, twice. The dog jumped into the road from a parked car which I was about to pass, so I braked hard (thank goodness there were no vehicles behind me), then I set off again and it decided to run back across the road to its owner, and nearly under my car.

Responsible dog owners have no reason to whinge about these new measures; it's the irresponsible ones who need to get their act together.

10 metres is about 13 paces for an average-sized man.
Young and lively dogs are rarely under full control wherever they are. Last Sunday I nearly killed one with my car, twice. The dog jumped into the road from a parked car which I was about to pass, so I braked hard (thank goodness there were no vehicles behind me), then I set off again and it decided to run back across the road to its owner, and nearly under my car. Responsible dog owners have no reason to whinge about these new measures; it's the irresponsible ones who need to get their act together. 10 metres is about 13 paces for an average-sized man. KendalSmithy
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11:54pm Wed 29 May 13

akoken says...

Oh good! Hopefully the irresponsible, selfish, lazy ignoramus who continuously allows their pesky mutt to **** on my driveway, resulting in (on many a horrendous occasion) my kids' shoes being covered in foul-smelling turd, will be compelled to poop-a-scoop their animal's excrement and pop it in the nearest bin? Hummmm.
Oh good! Hopefully the irresponsible, selfish, lazy ignoramus who continuously allows their pesky mutt to **** on my driveway, resulting in (on many a horrendous occasion) my kids' shoes being covered in foul-smelling turd, will be compelled to poop-a-scoop their animal's excrement and pop it in the nearest bin? Hummmm. akoken
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10:44am Thu 30 May 13

fellsman says...

Oh dear - this is going to be a major problem for lots of people - Hound Trail handlers are going to have to catch their hounds before they cross a road, put them on a lead, walk them across the road and then let them off again - this could cause serious problems to the bookies - though they could start new a new betting craze on how long it takes for handlers to catch & let off their hounds!! But should SLDC be encourageing people to bet like this!!
Oh dear - this is going to be a major problem for lots of people - Hound Trail handlers are going to have to catch their hounds before they cross a road, put them on a lead, walk them across the road and then let them off again - this could cause serious problems to the bookies - though they could start new a new betting craze on how long it takes for handlers to catch & let off their hounds!! But should SLDC be encourageing people to bet like this!! fellsman
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10:46am Thu 30 May 13

Adam_Kendal says...

magical trevor wrote:
They are DOG CONTROL ORDERS, which ultimately include the control of dogs...not just the reduction of dog fouling. OBVIOUSLY that means keeping your dog on a lead and therefore under control rather than letting it run free and causing a nuisance. Why do you insist on being so reluctant to using what little common sense you obviously have? Read the article thoroughly before you attempt to make any serious comments. Adam_Kendal - if you have any problem with the 10 metre rule, simply don't let your dog off the lead if you think you may be breaking the bye-law. It really is as simple as that.
My arguments is that while I agree with the children’s play areas etc, the original proposal, made no mention about the 10 meter rule, this seems to have been arranged and agreed without advising the public.

Since the SLDC enforcement officers as well as local PCSOs and police officers have powers to: "Challenge people allow their pets to roam OR FOUL certain areas where dogs are excluded" Which includes "all land in the district within 10 metres of a public highway where there is a speed limit of 30mph or under.

Now Magical Trevor, you clearly don’t have dogs otherwise you’d know that if a dog needs to go, it’s going to go, irrespective of what distance it is from the public highway, and there is nothing you or I can do about it, other than to pick it up – which the majority already do.

Perhaps you’d expect dog owners, who’s dogs have had a poo whilst walking to a “SLDC-approved poo-patch” to push the poo back in and say “no doggy, it’s not 10 meters yet!” “Bad Doggy” Magical Trevor would not approve!!
[quote][p][bold]magical trevor[/bold] wrote: They are DOG CONTROL ORDERS, which ultimately include the control of dogs...not just the reduction of dog fouling. OBVIOUSLY that means keeping your dog on a lead and therefore under control rather than letting it run free and causing a nuisance. Why do you insist on being so reluctant to using what little common sense you obviously have? Read the article thoroughly before you attempt to make any serious comments. Adam_Kendal - if you have any problem with the 10 metre rule, simply don't let your dog off the lead if you think you may be breaking the bye-law. It really is as simple as that.[/p][/quote]My arguments is that while I agree with the children’s play areas etc, the original proposal, made no mention about the 10 meter rule, this seems to have been arranged and agreed without advising the public. Since the SLDC enforcement officers as well as local PCSOs and police officers have powers to: "Challenge people allow their pets to roam OR FOUL certain areas where dogs are excluded" Which includes "all land in the district within 10 metres of a public highway where there is a speed limit of 30mph or under. Now Magical Trevor, you clearly don’t have dogs otherwise you’d know that if a dog needs to go, it’s going to go, irrespective of what distance it is from the public highway, and there is nothing you or I can do about it, other than to pick it up – which the majority already do. Perhaps you’d expect dog owners, who’s dogs have had a poo whilst walking to a “SLDC-approved poo-patch” to push the poo back in and say “no doggy, it’s not 10 meters yet!” “Bad Doggy” Magical Trevor would not approve!! Adam_Kendal
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12:05pm Thu 30 May 13

jazzactivist says...

fellsman wrote:
Oh dear - this is going to be a major problem for lots of people - Hound Trail handlers are going to have to catch their hounds before they cross a road, put them on a lead, walk them across the road and then let them off again - this could cause serious problems to the bookies - though they could start new a new betting craze on how long it takes for handlers to catch & let off their hounds!! But should SLDC be encourageing people to bet like this!!
Well that's just too bad, fellsman. You'll have to come up with a suitable alternative plan. It is in the interests of the majority of people for dogs to be on leads and to be cleaned up after, so the minority interest of a group of Hound Trailers has to come second. Just out of interest - who cleans up after these packs of hounds anyway? I haven't noticed people following them around with scoopers...
[quote][p][bold]fellsman[/bold] wrote: Oh dear - this is going to be a major problem for lots of people - Hound Trail handlers are going to have to catch their hounds before they cross a road, put them on a lead, walk them across the road and then let them off again - this could cause serious problems to the bookies - though they could start new a new betting craze on how long it takes for handlers to catch & let off their hounds!! But should SLDC be encourageing people to bet like this!![/p][/quote]Well that's just too bad, fellsman. You'll have to come up with a suitable alternative plan. It is in the interests of the majority of people for dogs to be on leads and to be cleaned up after, so the minority interest of a group of Hound Trailers has to come second. Just out of interest - who cleans up after these packs of hounds anyway? I haven't noticed people following them around with scoopers... jazzactivist
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12:12pm Thu 30 May 13

fellsman says...

They do it themselves, clever eh!!
They do it themselves, clever eh!! fellsman
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2:08pm Thu 30 May 13

newcmr says...

Been looking at my local walks and the 10m rule probably mans that 90% of kendal will be a dogs on leads only area!

My previous remark was a light hearted attempt to say that dogs foul even on a lead and I despair of people who keep walking whilst the poor mutt poos in a line!Should know by now that Gazette readers rarely do light hearted!

Dogs are unpredictable and common sense says that they need a lead a lot of the time but as already mentioned by others how do I play fetch now on my local grass when it will technically be 10m from a road but that road is down a 10m unadopted narrow lane?
All distances measured by washing line from DIY shop as suggested(NOT!!)
Been looking at my local walks and the 10m rule probably mans that 90% of kendal will be a dogs on leads only area! My previous remark was a light hearted attempt to say that dogs foul even on a lead and I despair of people who keep walking whilst the poor mutt poos in a line!Should know by now that Gazette readers rarely do light hearted! Dogs are unpredictable and common sense says that they need a lead a lot of the time but as already mentioned by others how do I play fetch now on my local grass when it will technically be 10m from a road but that road is down a 10m unadopted narrow lane? All distances measured by washing line from DIY shop as suggested(NOT!!) newcmr
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2:39pm Thu 30 May 13

elementary says...

'scuse me - I can do light hearted, when required!
'scuse me - I can do light hearted, when required! elementary
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3:31pm Thu 30 May 13

zaney5 says...

I don't know why people are getting confused or irate. Keep your dog on a lead in urban areas, avoid taking your dogs into the no-go areas listed on the council website (cemeteries, childrens play areas, sports pitches, etc) and clean up the poo.

If you can't do that, don't get a dog.

Simples.
I don't know why people are getting confused or irate. Keep your dog on a lead in urban areas, avoid taking your dogs into the no-go areas listed on the council website (cemeteries, childrens play areas, sports pitches, etc) and clean up the poo. If you can't do that, don't get a dog. Simples. zaney5
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3:39pm Thu 30 May 13

magical trevor says...

I agree with Zaney5....and what an uncomfortable feeling that is!
I agree with Zaney5....and what an uncomfortable feeling that is! magical trevor
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5:34pm Thu 30 May 13

WilliamT says...

Seems to be an excellent compromise rule- all they need to do now is actually enforce it, and then publicise cases where fines were imposed and actually collected. What we suspect is that the dog owner will always claim extenuating circumstances and that they 'always' comply except in this instance, and are then let off with an unintimidating warning.
I do not believe this 'the majority of dog owners already comply', because I far more often see the owner ignore the mess than see them picking it up.
Seems to be an excellent compromise rule- all they need to do now is actually enforce it, and then publicise cases where fines were imposed and actually collected. What we suspect is that the dog owner will always claim extenuating circumstances and that they 'always' comply except in this instance, and are then let off with an unintimidating warning. I do not believe this 'the majority of dog owners already comply', because I far more often see the owner ignore the mess than see them picking it up. WilliamT
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6:08pm Thu 30 May 13

elementary says...

William T if this is true why do you not challenge them, photograph them, report them, embarrass them? I would.
You want better behaved dog owners - well, make your displeasure felt instead of ignoring it. It is only when they feel they will be caught that they might change their revolting habit of allowing their dog to poo and not pick it up.
Don't be a wimp.
What could possibly be an extenuating circumstance that would excuse this type of behaviour?
William T if this is true why do you not challenge them, photograph them, report them, embarrass them? I would. You want better behaved dog owners - well, make your displeasure felt instead of ignoring it. It is only when they feel they will be caught that they might change their revolting habit of allowing their dog to poo and not pick it up. Don't be a wimp. What could possibly be an extenuating circumstance that would excuse this type of behaviour? elementary
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6:24pm Thu 30 May 13

WilliamT says...

I live in Lancashire where we don't have such an advanced law, and have no enforcement at all. I see that elementary is against this law, whereas I am in favour, but it is no use unless enforced. Offenders cannot be 'educated' out of their unwholesome practices- it has to be done by force.
I live in Lancashire where we don't have such an advanced law, and have no enforcement at all. I see that elementary is against this law, whereas I am in favour, but it is no use unless enforced. Offenders cannot be 'educated' out of their unwholesome practices- it has to be done by force. WilliamT
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6:56pm Thu 30 May 13

elementary says...

I am most certainly not against any law that requires a dog owner to clean up after their dog. I feel the dog control order about dogs on leads within 10 mtrs etc etc is pointless and stupid.
Even if there is no local by-law where you live I do not believe that dog owners in the same area are unaware of how unacceptable it is to allow their dog to foul. It should still be pointed out to them as wrong.
Sadly enforcement in our area is non existent and the law is often ignored. There are insufficient officers in the right place at the right time so members of the public should be making their feelings obvious to the people they see breaching regulations.
I am most certainly not against any law that requires a dog owner to clean up after their dog. I feel the dog control order about dogs on leads within 10 mtrs etc etc is pointless and stupid. Even if there is no local by-law where you live I do not believe that dog owners in the same area are unaware of how unacceptable it is to allow their dog to foul. It should still be pointed out to them as wrong. Sadly enforcement in our area is non existent and the law is often ignored. There are insufficient officers in the right place at the right time so members of the public should be making their feelings obvious to the people they see breaching regulations. elementary
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7:02pm Thu 30 May 13

zaney5 says...

The way I see it, responsible dog owners have nothing to worry about. So whats the issue? The only people that should be worried are those who don't comply.

Unless you happen to like living in an environment covered in dog ****!
The way I see it, responsible dog owners have nothing to worry about. So whats the issue? The only people that should be worried are those who don't comply. Unless you happen to like living in an environment covered in dog ****! zaney5
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7:15pm Thu 30 May 13

jazzactivist says...

I've challenged a few people, elementary, both for allowing their loose dog to approach mine and for not picking up their dog's poo, and to a person they have ignored me or been scathing. I am polite about it, but they are not. Sadly, here the worst offenders are not the stereotypical 'thug with a fighting dog', but people in the 40 - 70 age bracket who look very conventional, and seem to think they are above having to consider other people's needs. They are the sort of people who say things like "I'll decide whether my dog is put on a lead" and "I don't have any bags with me...". Interestingly, I have never seen a younger person not clean up after their dog.

As for playing fetch, well it's just a matter of going somewhere more appropriate or inventing a different game. I never let my dog off his lead, but we still manage to go for walks and play 'find the ball / stick' which gives him plenty of extra running around on the lead, and we really enjoy it.

Us dog owners just have to set a good example so that the people who don't look after their dogs properly become obvious and isolated. It isn't difficult to walk a dog on a lead or clean up after it, and it just has to become part of our culture. Remember when car seat belts became compulsory and there were people around claiming that they wouldn't wear them because they were "too restrictive" or "what about a fire..." etc.? But they had to by law, and now 'belting up' is such a natural thing to do that everyone does it automatically. Responsible dog care will, hopefully, soon be the same.
I've challenged a few people, elementary, both for allowing their loose dog to approach mine and for not picking up their dog's poo, and to a person they have ignored me or been scathing. I am polite about it, but they are not. Sadly, here the worst offenders are not the stereotypical 'thug with a fighting dog', but people in the 40 - 70 age bracket who look very conventional, and seem to think they are above having to consider other people's needs. They are the sort of people who say things like "I'll decide whether my dog is put on a lead" and "I don't have any bags with me...". Interestingly, I have never seen a younger person not clean up after their dog. As for playing fetch, well it's just a matter of going somewhere more appropriate or inventing a different game. I never let my dog off his lead, but we still manage to go for walks and play 'find the ball / stick' which gives him plenty of extra running around on the lead, and we really enjoy it. Us dog owners just have to set a good example so that the people who don't look after their dogs properly become obvious and isolated. It isn't difficult to walk a dog on a lead or clean up after it, and it just has to become part of our culture. Remember when car seat belts became compulsory and there were people around claiming that they wouldn't wear them because they were "too restrictive" or "what about a fire..." etc.? But they had to by law, and now 'belting up' is such a natural thing to do that everyone does it automatically. Responsible dog care will, hopefully, soon be the same. jazzactivist
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10:03pm Thu 30 May 13

snuggle-bunny says...

why not spray dog mess a nice pretty pink colour- that should hopefully shame the owners into cleaning it up
why not spray dog mess a nice pretty pink colour- that should hopefully shame the owners into cleaning it up snuggle-bunny
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1:18am Fri 31 May 13

onelocal says...

snuggle-bunny wrote:
why not spray dog mess a nice pretty pink colour- that should hopefully shame the owners into cleaning it up
Pink, brown, whatever color you prefer. The whole point is that the irresponsible dog owners walk away. Spraying it all the colors of the rainbow won't change their irresponsibility. A large fine might, but I hold my breath on that.
[quote][p][bold]snuggle-bunny[/bold] wrote: why not spray dog mess a nice pretty pink colour- that should hopefully shame the owners into cleaning it up[/p][/quote]Pink, brown, whatever color you prefer. The whole point is that the irresponsible dog owners walk away. Spraying it all the colors of the rainbow won't change their irresponsibility. A large fine might, but I hold my breath on that. onelocal
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1:36am Fri 31 May 13

onelocal says...

onelocal wrote:
snuggle-bunny wrote:
why not spray dog mess a nice pretty pink colour- that should hopefully shame the owners into cleaning it up
Pink, brown, whatever color you prefer. The whole point is that the irresponsible dog owners walk away. Spraying it all the colors of the rainbow won't change their irresponsibility. A large fine might, but I hold my breath on that.
While we are on the subject, what about horse sh*t. No laws against that. I was in the pretty village of Overton near Heysham recently. Not SLDC, but issue remains the same. The whole high street from one end to the other was carpeted in horse sh*t. I suspect it was the same lady on the same horse seen walking up the high street, probably several times a day, but councils maybe not focusing on all the cr*p. Need to be consistent.
[quote][p][bold]onelocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]snuggle-bunny[/bold] wrote: why not spray dog mess a nice pretty pink colour- that should hopefully shame the owners into cleaning it up[/p][/quote]Pink, brown, whatever color you prefer. The whole point is that the irresponsible dog owners walk away. Spraying it all the colors of the rainbow won't change their irresponsibility. A large fine might, but I hold my breath on that.[/p][/quote]While we are on the subject, what about horse sh*t. No laws against that. I was in the pretty village of Overton near Heysham recently. Not SLDC, but issue remains the same. The whole high street from one end to the other was carpeted in horse sh*t. I suspect it was the same lady on the same horse seen walking up the high street, probably several times a day, but councils maybe not focusing on all the cr*p. Need to be consistent. onelocal
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7:46am Fri 31 May 13

Kendmoor says...

'We will send someone there, they will watch that area and prosecutions will ultimately ensue,’ warned Coun Thornton. '

I would love to see that job's title/Description! :D
'Covert Canine Latrine Compliance Agent'
'We will send someone there, they will watch that area and prosecutions will ultimately ensue,’ warned Coun Thornton. ' I would love to see that job's title/Description! :D 'Covert Canine Latrine Compliance Agent' Kendmoor
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9:36am Fri 31 May 13

jazzactivist says...

Well, I don't think that's unreasonable, Kendmoor, and love the job title! If we did have dog wardens it would be better if they were undercover.

Are there no gardeners in Overton, onelocal? Whenever I have lived in places where horses poo in the street people can't wait to get out there with their shovels and buckets to collect it to put on their compost heaps. Sadly, the same can't be done with dog poo.

I did see someone following a herd of cows with a shovel near Levens though. One man led the cows down the road to a new pasture and another man cleaned up after them. Well done to them.
Well, I don't think that's unreasonable, Kendmoor, and love the job title! If we did have dog wardens it would be better if they were undercover. Are there no gardeners in Overton, onelocal? Whenever I have lived in places where horses poo in the street people can't wait to get out there with their shovels and buckets to collect it to put on their compost heaps. Sadly, the same can't be done with dog poo. I did see someone following a herd of cows with a shovel near Levens though. One man led the cows down the road to a new pasture and another man cleaned up after them. Well done to them. jazzactivist
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11:43am Fri 31 May 13

WilliamT says...

Confronting 'irresponsible dog owners' (the majority in my opinion) over the offence will lead to same response which occurs when smokers are confronted: an invitation to **** off, and a continuation of the behaviour. Real fines are required.
Confronting 'irresponsible dog owners' (the majority in my opinion) over the offence will lead to same response which occurs when smokers are confronted: an invitation to **** off, and a continuation of the behaviour. Real fines are required. WilliamT
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8:52pm Fri 31 May 13

snuggle-bunny says...

well done sldc- another winner. you couldnt write a script could you
well done sldc- another winner. you couldnt write a script could you snuggle-bunny
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11:34pm Fri 31 May 13

furthersouth says...

bring the dog to Ambleside, we have a fantastic dog toilet here. Rothay Park and Stoney Lane are excellent places to let dogs off, no one about to stop you and bonus not having to clear up the turds. Prime pooping place if ever there was one. Sometimes, you can even get away with doing it on the actual streets in the village! Is it the same anywhere else in Wezzy Gezzy land?
bring the dog to Ambleside, we have a fantastic dog toilet here. Rothay Park and Stoney Lane are excellent places to let dogs off, no one about to stop you and bonus not having to clear up the turds. Prime pooping place if ever there was one. Sometimes, you can even get away with doing it on the actual streets in the village! Is it the same anywhere else in Wezzy Gezzy land? furthersouth
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9:12am Sat 1 Jun 13

OMPITA [Intl] says...

Jazzactivist suggests the creation of local job opportunities by appointing dog wardens.

Good idea! Arm the wardens with some Government Surplus Webley Mk IV .38/200 Service Revolvers and then once they have shot the irresponsible owners they could reallocate the miscreant mutts to more responsible K9 enthusiasts!
Jazzactivist suggests the creation of local job opportunities by appointing dog wardens. Good idea! Arm the wardens with some Government Surplus Webley Mk IV .38/200 Service Revolvers and then once they have shot the irresponsible owners they could reallocate the miscreant mutts to more responsible K9 enthusiasts! OMPITA [Intl]
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1:32pm Sun 2 Jun 13

BeckyakaLSM says...

As the parent of a child whose eye sight is permanently damaged due to dog poo, anything that can help reduce the incidence of dog mess being left where it can do long lasting harm to people has to be a good thing.
As the parent of a child whose eye sight is permanently damaged due to dog poo, anything that can help reduce the incidence of dog mess being left where it can do long lasting harm to people has to be a good thing. BeckyakaLSM
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2:45pm Sun 2 Jun 13

Nugget2k says...

Lets ban kids, cycles, Horses, dogs, cats they are a dam menace, wild life and drunken man going home from the pub from our roads. I mean why not I have to pay road tax so why should I share my paid for road with these free loaders!!

No not really love my cat and have kids plus two dogs. But why do we need more rules that can't be enforced due lack of man power. Pick it up keep control of all you are responsible for job done!!!
Lets ban kids, cycles, Horses, dogs, cats they are a dam menace, wild life and drunken man going home from the pub from our roads. I mean why not I have to pay road tax so why should I share my paid for road with these free loaders!! No not really love my cat and have kids plus two dogs. But why do we need more rules that can't be enforced due lack of man power. Pick it up keep control of all you are responsible for job done!!! Nugget2k
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8:20pm Sun 2 Jun 13

Herdy says...

Why is 'Grange Promenade' excluded?
Should be the same rules all over the area, much easier for people to understand and to enforce!
As always it is the 'small minority' who don't care. I have seen many people on Grange Prom walking their dogs without leads, and when the dog starts looking for a suitable place to do it's 'thing', they just carry on walking ahead pretending not to notice.
As said on here before, it is not the younger generation thats to blame, it is the 40-70's WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER...
Why is 'Grange Promenade' excluded? Should be the same rules all over the area, much easier for people to understand and to enforce! As always it is the 'small minority' who don't care. I have seen many people on Grange Prom walking their dogs without leads, and when the dog starts looking for a suitable place to do it's 'thing', they just carry on walking ahead pretending not to notice. As said on here before, it is not the younger generation thats to blame, it is the 40-70's WHO SHOULD KNOW BETTER... Herdy
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1:28pm Tue 4 Jun 13

Jonathan Varden says...

I agree with the proposal in theory but ultimately you lawfully don't have to give your details to an enforcement officer so in reality it's a pointless proposal.
I agree with the proposal in theory but ultimately you lawfully don't have to give your details to an enforcement officer so in reality it's a pointless proposal. Jonathan Varden
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11:09pm Tue 4 Jun 13

snuggle-bunny says...

I'll be interested to see how many dog owners actually get prosecuted- maybe it's the owners who need a control order
I'll be interested to see how many dog owners actually get prosecuted- maybe it's the owners who need a control order snuggle-bunny
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1:18pm Sun 23 Jun 13

zaney5 says...

I'd like to say a huge thank you to the older gentleman who was walking his rather exuberant dog along Kendal Parks Road this morning. The dog was not on a lead and caused me to brake suddenly as it jumped into the road in front of me. Did the owner make any attempt to apologise? No, I was given a filthy look for my trouble.

So glad that these new laws are working then.
I'd like to say a huge thank you to the older gentleman who was walking his rather exuberant dog along Kendal Parks Road this morning. The dog was not on a lead and caused me to brake suddenly as it jumped into the road in front of me. Did the owner make any attempt to apologise? No, I was given a filthy look for my trouble. So glad that these new laws are working then. zaney5
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