Sainsbury's reveals plan to open new store in Ambleside

First published in News The Westmorland Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

SAINSBURY’S has revealed multi-million pound plans for a supermarket in Ambleside as it bids to get a foothold in South Lakeland for the third time in as many years.

The retail giant has con-firmed to the Gazette that it is now eyeing a site next to Hayes Garden World after blocked attempts to win consent for stores in Kendal and Ulverston.

Bosses say the 14,000 sq ft food store on the two-acre parcel of land would create up to 100 new full and part-time jobs and provide a weekly ‘trolley shop’ desti-nation for residents.Exploratory talks have taken place with the Lake District National Park Authority and the covers will come off the plan at two public exhibitions at the parish centre in Ambleside next week (July 12-13).

Some in Ambleside have welcomed the upmarket brand and a larger store for the town, which is served by smaller ‘basket filling’ stores like the Co-Operative, Spar and more recently a Tesco Express.

But others have raised concerns about the hit on hard-pressed small shops and concern that shoppers could avoid the town centre by stocking up at the town’s southerly entrance.

The LDNPA’s develop-ment control committee will ultimately decide the application, which has yet to be submitted, and says a retail impact assessment must be provided.

The potential developers, Preston-based Eric Wright Ltd, say no formal plans will be submitted until the community has spoken.

However, it is accepted that any application is likely to be dealt with in 2013 and any opening would be next year.

The proposed site is an overgrown parcel of land on the ‘Windermere’ side of Hayes Garden World, now used as an overspill car parking area for garden centre staff.

It is proposed that the single storey supermarket would be built on pillars to provide ‘under store’ car parking similar to the Booths design in Kendal.

It would specialise in food only with no hard goods, cafe or petrol station.

Andrew Sanderson, Sain-sbury's regional develop-ment manager, said: “We are delighted to have reached an agreement with Hayes Garden World for part of the site. The store will be appropriate in size for the area and will focus on providing food products for Ambleside shoppers. As a responsible developer, Sainsbury's is committed to leading a full public consultation.”

Keith Laird, for Hayes Garden World, said: “These are important proposals for our business. A Sain-sbury's foodstore next door to us will enable Ambleside residents to do their weekly food shop locally. By creating new jobs and sustaining existing jobs, it will be good for us and for Ambleside in general."

Lakes Parish Council is reserving judgement until the plans are submitted, but chairman Elwyn Bradshaw said: “This will bring to an end long-term speculation about Sainsbury’s interest. As far as the council is concerned we will receive the plans, debate them and report back.”

Planner Paul Haggin, of the LDNPA, said: “This is still a way off because they have yet to carry out a retail impact assessment. This is a requirement that we ask so that we can be satisfied that the viability of the town centre remains robust.”

  • The public exhibition will take place on July 12 and 13 at Ambleside Parish Centre, from noon to-7pm on Friday and 10am-4pm on Saturday. For more details, call 0800 319 6162 or email info@sainsburys-ambleside.co.uk.

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6:46pm Thu 4 Jul 13

furthersouth says...

absolutely ridiculous idea, why do we need another monstrosity in Ambleside, we already have the eyesore that is the Hayes building, visible from miles around. A Sainsburys in that location would lead to further shop closures. Folk will stop on the way into the village, buy their shopping and carry on straight through the centre of town not bothering to stop. We will end up with even more empty shops with rents too high for anyone to use. What's next, a McDonalds or a Burger King. Go the whole hog, folk are missing out on a Nandos and Frankie and Bennys, get em built! Sod housing, build a Mall and be done with it. What's wrong with building a Sainsburys in K Village?
absolutely ridiculous idea, why do we need another monstrosity in Ambleside, we already have the eyesore that is the Hayes building, visible from miles around. A Sainsburys in that location would lead to further shop closures. Folk will stop on the way into the village, buy their shopping and carry on straight through the centre of town not bothering to stop. We will end up with even more empty shops with rents too high for anyone to use. What's next, a McDonalds or a Burger King. Go the whole hog, folk are missing out on a Nandos and Frankie and Bennys, get em built! Sod housing, build a Mall and be done with it. What's wrong with building a Sainsburys in K Village? furthersouth
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6:50pm Thu 4 Jul 13

furthersouth says...

new jobs? Most of the folk that work at Hayes are from overseas as they pay minimum wage peanuts. The same will be at Sainsburys! Where are the staff going to live as there aren't enough houses to go round. Weekly shop? The majority of folk living in Ambleside can't afford the likes of Sainsbury's. Living in a dream world. Satisfy the minority folks and let the majority move elsewhere. Won't be long before Ambleside is a ghost town. It will be good for the Hayes' as they will make millions from the sale of the land.
new jobs? Most of the folk that work at Hayes are from overseas as they pay minimum wage peanuts. The same will be at Sainsburys! Where are the staff going to live as there aren't enough houses to go round. Weekly shop? The majority of folk living in Ambleside can't afford the likes of Sainsbury's. Living in a dream world. Satisfy the minority folks and let the majority move elsewhere. Won't be long before Ambleside is a ghost town. It will be good for the Hayes' as they will make millions from the sale of the land. furthersouth
  • Score: -1

9:39pm Thu 4 Jul 13

onelocal says...

Why do the anti Supermarket brigade always resort to the "it will be bad for the local shops" argument? It's nonsense. Local shops survive to provide speciality food and service to those who want it. If there were no supermarkets, then the local shops wouldn't be able to cope, supplying the tons of foods the everyday consumers need, and would no longer be the shops that the local shop enthusiast wants.
Putting a supermarket at Hayes in Ambleside will be a huge advantage. It will avoid the environmental and traffic issues of many locals having to travel to Booths in Windermere for their weekly shop, with no impact on local businesses, as those that use them today will continue to use them.
I'm sure Windermere, which is a traffic nightmare mainly because of the colume of traffic using Booths, will benefit. In Windermere there are two local butchers who have survived the coming of Booths, and the recent opening of Morrisons, and continue to thrive.
Long Live supermarkets, they came about because local shops were no longer able to cope with the volume of food sales that today's society and population needed, whilst allowing the retention of the local shops that a section of the population would like to retain. Local shop survival then comes down to providing the quality and service that those who use them require.
Why do the anti Supermarket brigade always resort to the "it will be bad for the local shops" argument? It's nonsense. Local shops survive to provide speciality food and service to those who want it. If there were no supermarkets, then the local shops wouldn't be able to cope, supplying the tons of foods the everyday consumers need, and would no longer be the shops that the local shop enthusiast wants. Putting a supermarket at Hayes in Ambleside will be a huge advantage. It will avoid the environmental and traffic issues of many locals having to travel to Booths in Windermere for their weekly shop, with no impact on local businesses, as those that use them today will continue to use them. I'm sure Windermere, which is a traffic nightmare mainly because of the colume of traffic using Booths, will benefit. In Windermere there are two local butchers who have survived the coming of Booths, and the recent opening of Morrisons, and continue to thrive. Long Live supermarkets, they came about because local shops were no longer able to cope with the volume of food sales that today's society and population needed, whilst allowing the retention of the local shops that a section of the population would like to retain. Local shop survival then comes down to providing the quality and service that those who use them require. onelocal
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9:53pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Ambience says...

I hope Sainsbury's get planning for a store. But let's hope they don't stock anoraks.
I hope Sainsbury's get planning for a store. But let's hope they don't stock anoraks. Ambience
  • Score: 2

10:16pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Tigerfeet001 says...

As a regular visitor to Hayes over the last ten years I have to say that almost all of the staff I have spoken to live locally or travel in from the West Coast. Hayes is almost certainly one of the largest employers in the area and vital to the community and surrounding areas. The ecomony is tough for all sectors and will be for the forseesble future. Sainsbury's located in the same area will create more jobs and may help a vital employment provider like Hayes get through these tough economic times. All areas of the country are crying out for jobs, how can we possibly object to the creation of 100 or more new job opportunities. All businesses will benefit from the income this provides to local people seeking work. I hope that common sense prevails.
As a regular visitor to Hayes over the last ten years I have to say that almost all of the staff I have spoken to live locally or travel in from the West Coast. Hayes is almost certainly one of the largest employers in the area and vital to the community and surrounding areas. The ecomony is tough for all sectors and will be for the forseesble future. Sainsbury's located in the same area will create more jobs and may help a vital employment provider like Hayes get through these tough economic times. All areas of the country are crying out for jobs, how can we possibly object to the creation of 100 or more new job opportunities. All businesses will benefit from the income this provides to local people seeking work. I hope that common sense prevails. Tigerfeet001
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8:36am Fri 5 Jul 13

choypchoyp says...

Furthersouth should do exactly that... go further south!
The addition of a quality food shop in the area is a great idea. The region heavily depends on the tourist industry, and in particular the self catering market. Holiday makers want great food and the current offer is far from that. Why shouldn't the visitors and residents be able to buy quality products locally?
People who want to work will no doubt find employment in the new store. The lazy local brigade, who think they should be given everything for doing absolutely nothing, probably won't even bother to apply for jobs.
If Hayes, or anyone else in the area, has to bring in staff from outside the town then I'm sure it's simply because there isn't enough people locally capable or willing to do a good job. I shop there on a regular basis and I've never met an overseas employee yet!
Cut the red tape, cut the nonsense and let them get on with it!!
Furthersouth should do exactly that... go further south! The addition of a quality food shop in the area is a great idea. The region heavily depends on the tourist industry, and in particular the self catering market. Holiday makers want great food and the current offer is far from that. Why shouldn't the visitors and residents be able to buy quality products locally? People who want to work will no doubt find employment in the new store. The lazy local brigade, who think they should be given everything for doing absolutely nothing, probably won't even bother to apply for jobs. If Hayes, or anyone else in the area, has to bring in staff from outside the town then I'm sure it's simply because there isn't enough people locally capable or willing to do a good job. I shop there on a regular basis and I've never met an overseas employee yet! Cut the red tape, cut the nonsense and let them get on with it!! choypchoyp
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9:49am Fri 5 Jul 13

furthersouth says...

choypchoyp wrote:
Furthersouth should do exactly that... go further south!
The addition of a quality food shop in the area is a great idea. The region heavily depends on the tourist industry, and in particular the self catering market. Holiday makers want great food and the current offer is far from that. Why shouldn't the visitors and residents be able to buy quality products locally?
People who want to work will no doubt find employment in the new store. The lazy local brigade, who think they should be given everything for doing absolutely nothing, probably won't even bother to apply for jobs.
If Hayes, or anyone else in the area, has to bring in staff from outside the town then I'm sure it's simply because there isn't enough people locally capable or willing to do a good job. I shop there on a regular basis and I've never met an overseas employee yet!
Cut the red tape, cut the nonsense and let them get on with it!!
Quality food? It's the same stuff as everywhere else with a different package and higher price. Most holiday makers bring their big shop with them and buy bits and pieces in the village. There aren't that many people living in Ambleside full time of working age, most have moved away. most shopping is done online nowadays and delivered. I can't remember the last time I pushed a trolley around a supermarket, that's like so '90's. Harness the digital revolution and get your time back. Online shopping and home delivery is the future, not supermarkets everywhere. If we really had to go to the supermarket we would call into Aldi, not Sainsburys or Booths, we don't have that much disposable income. Oh, and as a young family we are moving away from the area soon so probably won't see the new shop. That's one less family in Ambleside to satisfy the old brigade.
[quote][p][bold]choypchoyp[/bold] wrote: Furthersouth should do exactly that... go further south! The addition of a quality food shop in the area is a great idea. The region heavily depends on the tourist industry, and in particular the self catering market. Holiday makers want great food and the current offer is far from that. Why shouldn't the visitors and residents be able to buy quality products locally? People who want to work will no doubt find employment in the new store. The lazy local brigade, who think they should be given everything for doing absolutely nothing, probably won't even bother to apply for jobs. If Hayes, or anyone else in the area, has to bring in staff from outside the town then I'm sure it's simply because there isn't enough people locally capable or willing to do a good job. I shop there on a regular basis and I've never met an overseas employee yet! Cut the red tape, cut the nonsense and let them get on with it!![/p][/quote]Quality food? It's the same stuff as everywhere else with a different package and higher price. Most holiday makers bring their big shop with them and buy bits and pieces in the village. There aren't that many people living in Ambleside full time of working age, most have moved away. most shopping is done online nowadays and delivered. I can't remember the last time I pushed a trolley around a supermarket, that's like so '90's. Harness the digital revolution and get your time back. Online shopping and home delivery is the future, not supermarkets everywhere. If we really had to go to the supermarket we would call into Aldi, not Sainsburys or Booths, we don't have that much disposable income. Oh, and as a young family we are moving away from the area soon so probably won't see the new shop. That's one less family in Ambleside to satisfy the old brigade. furthersouth
  • Score: -3

10:23am Fri 5 Jul 13

KingofGrasmere says...

How boring and pathetic...why can we never discuss anything interesting going on. I am going to pursue making a homemade helicopter so I can travel to Windermere once the store is built, the traffic jams will be marvellous. A school child told me the other day that they were learning about sustainable tourism and the dangers of destroying what people go away to see. Surely people from towns want to traffic jams and well known brands, right. The local argument is rubbish - Sainsbury's is expensive so local people and I have heard them say will continue to drive to Aldi. This is clearly a tourist driven initiative to make pots of money and make tourists feel at home...maybe the tourists don't want to see a Sainsbury's? YAWN YAWN YAWN
How boring and pathetic...why can we never discuss anything interesting going on. I am going to pursue making a homemade helicopter so I can travel to Windermere once the store is built, the traffic jams will be marvellous. A school child told me the other day that they were learning about sustainable tourism and the dangers of destroying what people go away to see. Surely people from towns want to traffic jams and well known brands, right. The local argument is rubbish - Sainsbury's is expensive so local people and I have heard them say will continue to drive to Aldi. This is clearly a tourist driven initiative to make pots of money and make tourists feel at home...maybe the tourists don't want to see a Sainsbury's? YAWN YAWN YAWN KingofGrasmere
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4:18pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Cas220 says...

I guess the people who think that Sainsbury's is expensive have never been to one, that made me laugh. It is one of the big 4 UK retailers, it competes with the other big 3 on pricing, quality and stock availability. It is certainly MUCH cheaper than Booths and if furthersouth is correct then this will be of massive financial benefit to most people in Ambleside (where do they shop now if they can't afford Sainsbury's?). Whether the site is right remains to be seen but Ambleside is a large tourist town and definitely needs more choice than they currently have. With regards to the transport infrastructure at the site; this will be addressed as part of the planning and undoubtedly the road will be changed (roundabout, traffic lights etc).
I guess the people who think that Sainsbury's is expensive have never been to one, that made me laugh. It is one of the big 4 UK retailers, it competes with the other big 3 on pricing, quality and stock availability. It is certainly MUCH cheaper than Booths and if furthersouth is correct then this will be of massive financial benefit to most people in Ambleside (where do they shop now if they can't afford Sainsbury's?). Whether the site is right remains to be seen but Ambleside is a large tourist town and definitely needs more choice than they currently have. With regards to the transport infrastructure at the site; this will be addressed as part of the planning and undoubtedly the road will be changed (roundabout, traffic lights etc). Cas220
  • Score: 2

6:08pm Fri 5 Jul 13

jazzactivist says...

One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities.

Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths.

So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?
One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities. Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths. So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside? jazzactivist
  • Score: 0

9:25pm Fri 5 Jul 13

onelocal says...

jazzactivist wrote:
One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities.

Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths.

So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?
Ah, so jazzactivist has spoken. Live his dream. The people of Ambleside, and that includes Grasmere, Hawkshead etc, have a fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop and a Tesco Express, and have to drive to Windermere for supermarket, and butchers. Wonderful!
Believe me, Sainsbury's will have done a **** site more market research than you have.
Where does this idea that tourists come with all their groceries stacked in the back of the car. Try Booths in Windermere on a Friday afternoon, packed with holiday cottagers doing their bulk shop. It's like those signs you see about last petrol. Last food shop for 30 miles.
I hope the people of the area, locals and tourists alike, get a supermarket that can cater for their needs.
if I lived in Ambleside, and want some meat, in the summer I have to brave the traffic jams caused by all the events at the Lowwood to get to Windermere. I have to shop at Booths, or brave the traffic jams down Crescent Road to buy my meat at Clayton's or Huddlestone's. Nice if we are still living in the idyllic 1950s, but in 2013, not acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities. Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths. So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?[/p][/quote]Ah, so jazzactivist has spoken. Live his dream. The people of Ambleside, and that includes Grasmere, Hawkshead etc, have a fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop and a Tesco Express, and have to drive to Windermere for supermarket, and butchers. Wonderful! Believe me, Sainsbury's will have done a **** site more market research than you have. Where does this idea that tourists come with all their groceries stacked in the back of the car. Try Booths in Windermere on a Friday afternoon, packed with holiday cottagers doing their bulk shop. It's like those signs you see about last petrol. Last food shop for 30 miles. I hope the people of the area, locals and tourists alike, get a supermarket that can cater for their needs. if I lived in Ambleside, and want some meat, in the summer I have to brave the traffic jams caused by all the events at the Lowwood to get to Windermere. I have to shop at Booths, or brave the traffic jams down Crescent Road to buy my meat at Clayton's or Huddlestone's. Nice if we are still living in the idyllic 1950s, but in 2013, not acceptable. onelocal
  • Score: 1

9:37pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Cas220 says...

I don't live in Ambleside but if it's anything like my tiny village in the middle of nowhere where we have at least 2 Sainsbury's home shopping delivery vans coming a day, as well as several Tesco, ASDA and Ocado, I think Sainsbury's will do fairly well and will have little effect on the 'local' shops.
Just out of interest, I wonder if jazzactivist has done ANY research at all; despite what people might think about 'big, dirty, money grabbing' corporations I can imagine that Sainsbury's will be ploughing a lot of money, support and manpower into local community events, if they can get past the nimbys that is.
I don't live in Ambleside but if it's anything like my tiny village in the middle of nowhere where we have at least 2 Sainsbury's home shopping delivery vans coming a day, as well as several Tesco, ASDA and Ocado, I think Sainsbury's will do fairly well and will have little effect on the 'local' shops. Just out of interest, I wonder if jazzactivist has done ANY research at all; despite what people might think about 'big, dirty, money grabbing' corporations I can imagine that Sainsbury's will be ploughing a lot of money, support and manpower into local community events, if they can get past the nimbys that is. Cas220
  • Score: 0

11:18am Sat 6 Jul 13

1207 says...

Holy cow a Supermarket in this traditional Lakeland town.
Take away the Outdoor clobber shops,the overpriced café,the Indian and Chinese takeways the Charity Shops,the bloody giant garden center and the vast car parks.
Sorry Guys its too late to save your Town its just like all the other bottle necks in the South Lakes.
Holy cow a Supermarket in this traditional Lakeland town. Take away the Outdoor clobber shops,the overpriced café,the Indian and Chinese takeways the Charity Shops,the bloody giant garden center and the vast car parks. Sorry Guys its too late to save your Town its just like all the other bottle necks in the South Lakes. 1207
  • Score: 1

1:40pm Sat 6 Jul 13

dancer58 says...

Would interested to know what will happen to all the trees on this site, any body else would not be allowed to touch them , would value comments
Would interested to know what will happen to all the trees on this site, any body else would not be allowed to touch them , would value comments dancer58
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8:41pm Sat 6 Jul 13

jazzactivist says...

It's HER dream actually, onelocal! And I certainly have done my research Cas220, as I made the decision not to shop in big supermarkets 17 years ago and haven't set foot in one since. I work full time, live on a relatively low income, and still manage to do all my shopping at independents and farmers markets. How about that for the supermarket apologists?

I can't believe how lazy people are that they can't think of anything beyond their own needs and their own immediate future, so want supermarkets on their doorstep no matter how damaging that may be to the local economy, the landscape, or to future generations.

Big multinational businesses DON'T bring decent jobs with decent pay to rural areas, or enhance the high street. Nor are they cheap. They set up initially with lots of bogus cheap offers and then put their prices up once everyone is used to them being there and small shops start closing. They are predatory, and only want to move in when they already see a thriving area. If they were genuine about local development they would set up in areas where there are no other shops for miles around, and high unemployment, but they don't. They want a big slice of the pie of regularly spending locals and monied holiday makers and second homers, regardless of how that might affect existing businesses. The jobs on offer will be low-paid, part-time, dead-end ones.

The Gazette even ran a campaign to support our independents. What will it take to get you all moving to support what we already have instead of longing for the neverneverland of cheap supermarkets?
It's HER dream actually, onelocal! And I certainly have done my research Cas220, as I made the decision not to shop in big supermarkets 17 years ago and haven't set foot in one since. I work full time, live on a relatively low income, and still manage to do all my shopping at independents and farmers markets. How about that for the supermarket apologists? I can't believe how lazy people are that they can't think of anything beyond their own needs and their own immediate future, so want supermarkets on their doorstep no matter how damaging that may be to the local economy, the landscape, or to future generations. Big multinational businesses DON'T bring decent jobs with decent pay to rural areas, or enhance the high street. Nor are they cheap. They set up initially with lots of bogus cheap offers and then put their prices up once everyone is used to them being there and small shops start closing. They are predatory, and only want to move in when they already see a thriving area. If they were genuine about local development they would set up in areas where there are no other shops for miles around, and high unemployment, but they don't. They want a big slice of the pie of regularly spending locals and monied holiday makers and second homers, regardless of how that might affect existing businesses. The jobs on offer will be low-paid, part-time, dead-end ones. The Gazette even ran a campaign to support our independents. What will it take to get you all moving to support what we already have instead of longing for the neverneverland of cheap supermarkets? jazzactivist
  • Score: 0

2:06pm Sun 7 Jul 13

onelocal says...

jazzactivist wrote:
It's HER dream actually, onelocal! And I certainly have done my research Cas220, as I made the decision not to shop in big supermarkets 17 years ago and haven't set foot in one since. I work full time, live on a relatively low income, and still manage to do all my shopping at independents and farmers markets. How about that for the supermarket apologists?

I can't believe how lazy people are that they can't think of anything beyond their own needs and their own immediate future, so want supermarkets on their doorstep no matter how damaging that may be to the local economy, the landscape, or to future generations.

Big multinational businesses DON'T bring decent jobs with decent pay to rural areas, or enhance the high street. Nor are they cheap. They set up initially with lots of bogus cheap offers and then put their prices up once everyone is used to them being there and small shops start closing. They are predatory, and only want to move in when they already see a thriving area. If they were genuine about local development they would set up in areas where there are no other shops for miles around, and high unemployment, but they don't. They want a big slice of the pie of regularly spending locals and monied holiday makers and second homers, regardless of how that might affect existing businesses. The jobs on offer will be low-paid, part-time, dead-end ones.

The Gazette even ran a campaign to support our independents. What will it take to get you all moving to support what we already have instead of longing for the neverneverland of cheap supermarkets?
Well, how would we know your gender, now we do.
I have said it before and will say it again. If everyone bought their food at independents, the shop wouldn't be able to cope, their would be queues around the block. This why supermarkets exist, to cater for the thousands that the independents could handle. The fact that 90% of shoppers use supermarkets, means that you can shop where you want to, without queuing, or finding your local butcher has run out of meat. If there was no supermarket in Windermere or Kendal, Clayton's would probably have to build a bigger store next to the railway station, just to cater for all their customers, store all their meat, and take deliveries. To pay for the new building, they could stock other products, buy in bulk etc. Then what have you got? Not a supermarket? Now why didn't Booths think of that?
[quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: It's HER dream actually, onelocal! And I certainly have done my research Cas220, as I made the decision not to shop in big supermarkets 17 years ago and haven't set foot in one since. I work full time, live on a relatively low income, and still manage to do all my shopping at independents and farmers markets. How about that for the supermarket apologists? I can't believe how lazy people are that they can't think of anything beyond their own needs and their own immediate future, so want supermarkets on their doorstep no matter how damaging that may be to the local economy, the landscape, or to future generations. Big multinational businesses DON'T bring decent jobs with decent pay to rural areas, or enhance the high street. Nor are they cheap. They set up initially with lots of bogus cheap offers and then put their prices up once everyone is used to them being there and small shops start closing. They are predatory, and only want to move in when they already see a thriving area. If they were genuine about local development they would set up in areas where there are no other shops for miles around, and high unemployment, but they don't. They want a big slice of the pie of regularly spending locals and monied holiday makers and second homers, regardless of how that might affect existing businesses. The jobs on offer will be low-paid, part-time, dead-end ones. The Gazette even ran a campaign to support our independents. What will it take to get you all moving to support what we already have instead of longing for the neverneverland of cheap supermarkets?[/p][/quote]Well, how would we know your gender, now we do. I have said it before and will say it again. If everyone bought their food at independents, the shop wouldn't be able to cope, their would be queues around the block. This why supermarkets exist, to cater for the thousands that the independents could handle. The fact that 90% of shoppers use supermarkets, means that you can shop where you want to, without queuing, or finding your local butcher has run out of meat. If there was no supermarket in Windermere or Kendal, Clayton's would probably have to build a bigger store next to the railway station, just to cater for all their customers, store all their meat, and take deliveries. To pay for the new building, they could stock other products, buy in bulk etc. Then what have you got? Not a supermarket? Now why didn't Booths think of that? onelocal
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3:52pm Sun 7 Jul 13

furthersouth says...

onelocal wrote:
jazzactivist wrote:
One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities.

Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths.

So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?
Ah, so jazzactivist has spoken. Live his dream. The people of Ambleside, and that includes Grasmere, Hawkshead etc, have a fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop and a Tesco Express, and have to drive to Windermere for supermarket, and butchers. Wonderful!
Believe me, Sainsbury's will have done a **** site more market research than you have.
Where does this idea that tourists come with all their groceries stacked in the back of the car. Try Booths in Windermere on a Friday afternoon, packed with holiday cottagers doing their bulk shop. It's like those signs you see about last petrol. Last food shop for 30 miles.
I hope the people of the area, locals and tourists alike, get a supermarket that can cater for their needs.
if I lived in Ambleside, and want some meat, in the summer I have to brave the traffic jams caused by all the events at the Lowwood to get to Windermere. I have to shop at Booths, or brave the traffic jams down Crescent Road to buy my meat at Clayton's or Huddlestone's. Nice if we are still living in the idyllic 1950s, but in 2013, not acceptable.
Hey onelocal, we don;t drive to Windermere for our meat, heaven forbid. Did you know there is a fantastic butchers on North Road, has been for years, Freddie Garsides, we shop here all the time for all our meat. Can't beat it for quality and price around here. Go to Windermere for meat, don't be daft, it would take all day!
[quote][p][bold]onelocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities. Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths. So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?[/p][/quote]Ah, so jazzactivist has spoken. Live his dream. The people of Ambleside, and that includes Grasmere, Hawkshead etc, have a fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop and a Tesco Express, and have to drive to Windermere for supermarket, and butchers. Wonderful! Believe me, Sainsbury's will have done a **** site more market research than you have. Where does this idea that tourists come with all their groceries stacked in the back of the car. Try Booths in Windermere on a Friday afternoon, packed with holiday cottagers doing their bulk shop. It's like those signs you see about last petrol. Last food shop for 30 miles. I hope the people of the area, locals and tourists alike, get a supermarket that can cater for their needs. if I lived in Ambleside, and want some meat, in the summer I have to brave the traffic jams caused by all the events at the Lowwood to get to Windermere. I have to shop at Booths, or brave the traffic jams down Crescent Road to buy my meat at Clayton's or Huddlestone's. Nice if we are still living in the idyllic 1950s, but in 2013, not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Hey onelocal, we don;t drive to Windermere for our meat, heaven forbid. Did you know there is a fantastic butchers on North Road, has been for years, Freddie Garsides, we shop here all the time for all our meat. Can't beat it for quality and price around here. Go to Windermere for meat, don't be daft, it would take all day! furthersouth
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6:56pm Sun 7 Jul 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

Yesterday I was in Ambleside and left early because I had to get to ASDA in Kendal before it shut. If there was a sainsburys I would have gone there to get my bread and Iru Bru and stayed in Ambleside having a drink with my friend. Instead we ended up have a beverage in kendal instead. Tourists will travel out of Ambleside to go to what is a familiar shop where you can get what you normally do. Also I think it gives the locals more business since Sainsburys will probably give people free parking allowing people to walk into the village.
Yesterday I was in Ambleside and left early because I had to get to ASDA in Kendal before it shut. If there was a sainsburys I would have gone there to get my bread and Iru Bru and stayed in Ambleside having a drink with my friend. Instead we ended up have a beverage in kendal instead. Tourists will travel out of Ambleside to go to what is a familiar shop where you can get what you normally do. Also I think it gives the locals more business since Sainsburys will probably give people free parking allowing people to walk into the village. PropMeUpWithTeabags
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7:10pm Sun 7 Jul 13

jazzactivist says...

So you've never stood for ages in a checkout queue in a supermarket, onelocal? I don't know where you get the idea that local shops wouldn't be able to cope with the demand - it would just mean more investment would be made in growing and making local produce and more businesses selling it. So there would be an even wider variety for us to chose from, and lots more employment and self-employment opportunities for younger generations.

Don't know why you felt you had to dash to Asda in Kendal, PMUWT, because you could just have bought what you need anywhere, especially if it was just bread and Irn Bru - you can buy that in any shop! As for free parking - supermarkets that offer it usually only do so for a limited period and nowadays you often have to pay first and then type your receipt number into the machine to get a refund, or accept it as points on your 'loyalty' card.

I guess I am just flabbergasted that anyone who lives in or visits Cumbria wants to shop in a supermarket. My partner and I are thankful every day that we now live in an area where good quality, reasonably priced food and services are so easy to come by.
So you've never stood for ages in a checkout queue in a supermarket, onelocal? I don't know where you get the idea that local shops wouldn't be able to cope with the demand - it would just mean more investment would be made in growing and making local produce and more businesses selling it. So there would be an even wider variety for us to chose from, and lots more employment and self-employment opportunities for younger generations. Don't know why you felt you had to dash to Asda in Kendal, PMUWT, because you could just have bought what you need anywhere, especially if it was just bread and Irn Bru - you can buy that in any shop! As for free parking - supermarkets that offer it usually only do so for a limited period and nowadays you often have to pay first and then type your receipt number into the machine to get a refund, or accept it as points on your 'loyalty' card. I guess I am just flabbergasted that anyone who lives in or visits Cumbria wants to shop in a supermarket. My partner and I are thankful every day that we now live in an area where good quality, reasonably priced food and services are so easy to come by. jazzactivist
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10:46pm Sun 7 Jul 13

PropMeUpWithTeabags says...

There were no shops open at 8pm that sold irn bru or bread except Tesco express. I could have gone in there I suppose but I don't like them because as contradictory as this sound I don't like them because they kill all the local business. A big sainsburys will not kill the local tourist shops it will encourage the tourists to stay in the local area meaning they won't have to travel a far for food and keep the roads less busy. I guarantee you that if I was a tourist staying in Ambleside I'd find the nearest supermarket (asda or morrisons) and buy most of my staples there instead of spending the whole day going from the butchers to the bakers to the grocers. I want to get my shopping done and start my holiday.
I agree it shouldn't be that way but in 2013 it is. people don't have the money to spend on quality anymore they want cheap and the consensus is that local = expensive. I know it isn't always the case and there are cheap places to get produce from but you need to have local knowledge. I can buy 2 loaves of bread in asda for £1 I know if I go to asda in Norfolk it will be the same. I challenge you to find me a local bakery that can sell a full sized loaf for 50p. Yes it might be nicer but it's still not 50p. Oh and if local shops in Ambleside want more business they should consider upping their customer service because I had some pretty bad service when I was there on Saturday. At least at a supermarket I expect bad service.

Rant over
There were no shops open at 8pm that sold irn bru or bread except Tesco express. I could have gone in there I suppose but I don't like them because as contradictory as this sound I don't like them because they kill all the local business. A big sainsburys will not kill the local tourist shops it will encourage the tourists to stay in the local area meaning they won't have to travel a far for food and keep the roads less busy. I guarantee you that if I was a tourist staying in Ambleside I'd find the nearest supermarket (asda or morrisons) and buy most of my staples there instead of spending the whole day going from the butchers to the bakers to the grocers. I want to get my shopping done and start my holiday. I agree it shouldn't be that way but in 2013 it is. people don't have the money to spend on quality anymore they want cheap and the consensus is that local = expensive. I know it isn't always the case and there are cheap places to get produce from but you need to have local knowledge. I can buy 2 loaves of bread in asda for £1 I know if I go to asda in Norfolk it will be the same. I challenge you to find me a local bakery that can sell a full sized loaf for 50p. Yes it might be nicer but it's still not 50p. Oh and if local shops in Ambleside want more business they should consider upping their customer service because I had some pretty bad service when I was there on Saturday. At least at a supermarket I expect bad service. Rant over PropMeUpWithTeabags
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11:32pm Sun 7 Jul 13

onelocal says...

furthersouth wrote:
onelocal wrote:
jazzactivist wrote:
One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities.

Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths.

So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?
Ah, so jazzactivist has spoken. Live his dream. The people of Ambleside, and that includes Grasmere, Hawkshead etc, have a fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop and a Tesco Express, and have to drive to Windermere for supermarket, and butchers. Wonderful!
Believe me, Sainsbury's will have done a **** site more market research than you have.
Where does this idea that tourists come with all their groceries stacked in the back of the car. Try Booths in Windermere on a Friday afternoon, packed with holiday cottagers doing their bulk shop. It's like those signs you see about last petrol. Last food shop for 30 miles.
I hope the people of the area, locals and tourists alike, get a supermarket that can cater for their needs.
if I lived in Ambleside, and want some meat, in the summer I have to brave the traffic jams caused by all the events at the Lowwood to get to Windermere. I have to shop at Booths, or brave the traffic jams down Crescent Road to buy my meat at Clayton's or Huddlestone's. Nice if we are still living in the idyllic 1950s, but in 2013, not acceptable.
Hey onelocal, we don;t drive to Windermere for our meat, heaven forbid. Did you know there is a fantastic butchers on North Road, has been for years, Freddie Garsides, we shop here all the time for all our meat. Can't beat it for quality and price around here. Go to Windermere for meat, don't be daft, it would take all day!
I think it was jazz activist who said she could go to Windermere for butchers, health shops an Booths. Personally, I would never shop in Ambleside. Finding parking is like looking for hen's teeth
[quote][p][bold]furthersouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]onelocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: One thing Cumbria isn't short of is quality, locally produced food! There are loads of small, local shops, farm shops and farmers markets around that easily keep up with the demands of local residents and tourists, and are (surprisingly perhaps) affordable. Sainsburys is only interested in parking one or more of their monstrous supermarkets here to suck up all the local customers that they see around our towns and villages. One of the best things about living in and visiting the LD is the absence of most of the big clone stores that you get in other towns and cities. Tourists need to be encouraged to not stock up at their local supermarket before they come here, but to wait and then stock up by supporting our local businesses. Residents also need to be encouraged to support our local economy, not throw money out of the county and even country by shopping in supermarkets. I don't libve in Ambleside, but regularly go there, and it already has a good fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop, a Co-op, and even a Tesco Express muscled in. It is also easy to get to Windermere for local butchers, health shop and Booths. So I'm wondering what market research Sainsburys has done to establish local need, and what is it that people want to buy in Sainburys that they can't already buy in and around Ambleside?[/p][/quote]Ah, so jazzactivist has spoken. Live his dream. The people of Ambleside, and that includes Grasmere, Hawkshead etc, have a fruit and veg shop, a deli, a chocolate shop and a Tesco Express, and have to drive to Windermere for supermarket, and butchers. Wonderful! Believe me, Sainsbury's will have done a **** site more market research than you have. Where does this idea that tourists come with all their groceries stacked in the back of the car. Try Booths in Windermere on a Friday afternoon, packed with holiday cottagers doing their bulk shop. It's like those signs you see about last petrol. Last food shop for 30 miles. I hope the people of the area, locals and tourists alike, get a supermarket that can cater for their needs. if I lived in Ambleside, and want some meat, in the summer I have to brave the traffic jams caused by all the events at the Lowwood to get to Windermere. I have to shop at Booths, or brave the traffic jams down Crescent Road to buy my meat at Clayton's or Huddlestone's. Nice if we are still living in the idyllic 1950s, but in 2013, not acceptable.[/p][/quote]Hey onelocal, we don;t drive to Windermere for our meat, heaven forbid. Did you know there is a fantastic butchers on North Road, has been for years, Freddie Garsides, we shop here all the time for all our meat. Can't beat it for quality and price around here. Go to Windermere for meat, don't be daft, it would take all day![/p][/quote]I think it was jazz activist who said she could go to Windermere for butchers, health shops an Booths. Personally, I would never shop in Ambleside. Finding parking is like looking for hen's teeth onelocal
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