Public views sought on plans for Sainsbury's store in Kendal

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KENDAL people are being given a chance to have their say on plans for a Sainsbury's store which would create up to 350 jobs in the town.

Developer Morbaine has submitted a planning application for the Shap Road store to South Lakeland District Council (SLDC) and will consult with Kendal residents on the plans at an information event on Sunday, March 9, from 2pm to 7pm.

Morbaine is proposing to develop the Kendal Rugby Club site as a foodstore with 50,000 sq ft of sales space. The plans also include car parking and a customer café, as well as improved site access.

It is understood the application will be considered at a meeting of SLDC's planning committee later this month.

Andrew Sanderson, regional development manager for Sainsbury's, said: "The opportunity to work with Morbaine to create a Sainsbury's foodstore in Kendal is an exciting one for us. This store would bring more choice to the town while creating up to 350 jobs for local people.

Kendal Rugby Club has already been granted planning permission to relocate to a new purpose-built facility at Oxenholme Road, but cannot move until an application to redevelop the Shap Road site has been approved by the Council.

"Although the planning application has been submitted, we'd still like to know what people living in the area think about the plans," said Mr Sanderson. "I'd encourage anyone with an interest in this scheme to come and see us on the 9th, where members of the project team will be available to answer any questions people might have about the proposals."

Alex Brodie, director at Morbaine, said: "This is a really interesting project for Morbaine and we're thrilled to be partnering with Sainsbury's in helping to bring a foodstore to Kendal. We're looking forward to hearing what people from the local community make of the plans for the store."

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2:48pm Tue 4 Mar 14

doodleshire14 says...

Good luck to the Rugby Club on their latest attempt. If things were simple this plan should go through fairly straightforward as 18 months ago the only reason given by the council when refusing it was that Canal Head was the preferred option, now that the Canal Head option is no longer on the table they cannot have a viable objection - apart from the unwritten one that they don't want sports clubs to prosper in this town.
Good luck to the Rugby Club on their latest attempt. If things were simple this plan should go through fairly straightforward as 18 months ago the only reason given by the council when refusing it was that Canal Head was the preferred option, now that the Canal Head option is no longer on the table they cannot have a viable objection - apart from the unwritten one that they don't want sports clubs to prosper in this town. doodleshire14
  • Score: 7

7:45pm Tue 4 Mar 14

whitevanman2 says...

Let's all hope Longpool bridge is finished by then .................
Let's all hope Longpool bridge is finished by then ................. whitevanman2
  • Score: 16

2:50am Wed 5 Mar 14

Sedbergian says...

An excellent location, lets hope that that the planning committee at SLDC can see to approving the scheme. Will allow me to shop in Kendal without needing to travel to either Lancaster or Morecambe to the nearest Saainsburys.
An excellent location, lets hope that that the planning committee at SLDC can see to approving the scheme. Will allow me to shop in Kendal without needing to travel to either Lancaster or Morecambe to the nearest Saainsburys. Sedbergian
  • Score: -2

7:18am Wed 5 Mar 14

furthersouth says...

Sedbergian wrote:
An excellent location, lets hope that that the planning committee at SLDC can see to approving the scheme. Will allow me to shop in Kendal without needing to travel to either Lancaster or Morecambe to the nearest Saainsburys.
you know you can get your supermarket shopping delivered right? Fill a basket on line and voila! No drive to Lancaster or Morecambe.
[quote][p][bold]Sedbergian[/bold] wrote: An excellent location, lets hope that that the planning committee at SLDC can see to approving the scheme. Will allow me to shop in Kendal without needing to travel to either Lancaster or Morecambe to the nearest Saainsburys.[/p][/quote]you know you can get your supermarket shopping delivered right? Fill a basket on line and voila! No drive to Lancaster or Morecambe. furthersouth
  • Score: 1

8:25am Wed 5 Mar 14

Moonbase says...

whitevanman2 wrote:
Let's all hope Longpool bridge is finished by then .................
Quite agree, but if this goes ahead there will be 'Another' set of traffic lights permanently there.
No wonder Kendal got a mention on breakfast tv as the worst place to drive through.
Stick it up by plumgarths or prizet if they have to come.
[quote][p][bold]whitevanman2[/bold] wrote: Let's all hope Longpool bridge is finished by then .................[/p][/quote]Quite agree, but if this goes ahead there will be 'Another' set of traffic lights permanently there. No wonder Kendal got a mention on breakfast tv as the worst place to drive through. Stick it up by plumgarths or prizet if they have to come. Moonbase
  • Score: 12

9:52am Wed 5 Mar 14

TwoHat says...

Shouldn't be allowing any development north of the town until there is a northern relief road.
If we can't get funding from central gov for one then we should be adding an infrastructure charge to every project to pay for it.
Shouldn't be allowing any development north of the town until there is a northern relief road. If we can't get funding from central gov for one then we should be adding an infrastructure charge to every project to pay for it. TwoHat
  • Score: 11

11:54am Wed 5 Mar 14

Kendal lad says...

This will be crazy. Have the planners learnt nothing by the Longpool bridge works?
Why do we need another supermarket anyway? Quite apart from the fact that we have three major supermarkets in the town already, we have an excellent market on a Wednesday and Saturday, plenty of specialist shops such as Kendal Fisheries and the internet for ordering on-line.
And never mind the fact that any development would be on a flood plain !!
Yes the council may well get a few quid for the development but longer term, this will have a detrimental effect on the whole of the North of the Town.
This will be crazy. Have the planners learnt nothing by the Longpool bridge works? Why do we need another supermarket anyway? Quite apart from the fact that we have three major supermarkets in the town already, we have an excellent market on a Wednesday and Saturday, plenty of specialist shops such as Kendal Fisheries and the internet for ordering on-line. And never mind the fact that any development would be on a flood plain !! Yes the council may well get a few quid for the development but longer term, this will have a detrimental effect on the whole of the North of the Town. Kendal lad
  • Score: 3

1:10pm Wed 5 Mar 14

KendalSmithy says...

The result of this will be added traffic congestion in town as people drive from one end to the other to get there and back. However, the current system is designed to deter people from doing that, so until things in town change we'll be faced with even longer queues on Shap Road, Longpool, Wildman Street, Beezon Road, Station Road, Sandes Avenue, Blackhall Road, New Road, Sandylands - in fact almost every street. Scrapping the one-way 'traffic funnelling' layout we currently have is long overdue (as evidenced by the current bridge works), and this development will only make it even more necessary. I also believe the developers should be required to provide an access roundabout on Shap Road.
The result of this will be added traffic congestion in town as people drive from one end to the other to get there and back. However, the current system is designed to deter people from doing that, so until things in town change we'll be faced with even longer queues on Shap Road, Longpool, Wildman Street, Beezon Road, Station Road, Sandes Avenue, Blackhall Road, New Road, Sandylands - in fact almost every street. Scrapping the one-way 'traffic funnelling' layout we currently have is long overdue (as evidenced by the current bridge works), and this development will only make it even more necessary. I also believe the developers should be required to provide an access roundabout on Shap Road. KendalSmithy
  • Score: 15

3:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

jazzactivist says...

Is that the same 350 low-paid, dead-end jobs that Sainsbury's planned to create in Ambleside? For people who want to shop in a supermarket, surely there are enough of them in Kendal already, plus online delivery. Supermarkets always seem to want to build on top of one another, or wherever there are already independent shops. It seems bonkers to me. Fine to build one in a area where there are no other shops or jobs for miles around, but this seems like overkill. I think a better use could be made of the rugby ground site.
Is that the same 350 low-paid, dead-end jobs that Sainsbury's planned to create in Ambleside? For people who want to shop in a supermarket, surely there are enough of them in Kendal already, plus online delivery. Supermarkets always seem to want to build on top of one another, or wherever there are already independent shops. It seems bonkers to me. Fine to build one in a area where there are no other shops or jobs for miles around, but this seems like overkill. I think a better use could be made of the rugby ground site. jazzactivist
  • Score: -4

6:34pm Wed 5 Mar 14

tictoc1 says...

TwoHat wrote:
Shouldn't be allowing any development north of the town until there is a northern relief road.
If we can't get funding from central gov for one then we should be adding an infrastructure charge to every project to pay for it.
You took the words right off my laptop.
[quote][p][bold]TwoHat[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't be allowing any development north of the town until there is a northern relief road. If we can't get funding from central gov for one then we should be adding an infrastructure charge to every project to pay for it.[/p][/quote]You took the words right off my laptop. tictoc1
  • Score: 6

8:24pm Wed 5 Mar 14

shirtbox says...

Great idea, more jobs more choice.Wont be like the K shoes disaster.or grange berners fiasco.
Great idea, more jobs more choice.Wont be like the K shoes disaster.or grange berners fiasco. shirtbox
  • Score: -5

12:18am Thu 6 Mar 14

dancer58 says...

What's the point of wanting people's views if you never listen ,
What's the point of wanting people's views if you never listen , dancer58
  • Score: 16

8:28am Thu 6 Mar 14

The Great Gatsby says...

jazzactivist wrote:
Is that the same 350 low-paid, dead-end jobs that Sainsbury's planned to create in Ambleside? For people who want to shop in a supermarket, surely there are enough of them in Kendal already, plus online delivery. Supermarkets always seem to want to build on top of one another, or wherever there are already independent shops. It seems bonkers to me. Fine to build one in a area where there are no other shops or jobs for miles around, but this seems like overkill. I think a better use could be made of the rugby ground site.
I am sure the thousand or so supermarket workers already employed in the town will welcome your inferred observation that they are all assumingly in dead end jobs too.
We could make better of use of the rugby ground - build some stocks and put you in them, then let all the dead-end job supermarket workers pelt you with their out of date perishables.
[quote][p][bold]jazzactivist[/bold] wrote: Is that the same 350 low-paid, dead-end jobs that Sainsbury's planned to create in Ambleside? For people who want to shop in a supermarket, surely there are enough of them in Kendal already, plus online delivery. Supermarkets always seem to want to build on top of one another, or wherever there are already independent shops. It seems bonkers to me. Fine to build one in a area where there are no other shops or jobs for miles around, but this seems like overkill. I think a better use could be made of the rugby ground site.[/p][/quote]I am sure the thousand or so supermarket workers already employed in the town will welcome your inferred observation that they are all assumingly in dead end jobs too. We could make better of use of the rugby ground - build some stocks and put you in them, then let all the dead-end job supermarket workers pelt you with their out of date perishables. The Great Gatsby
  • Score: 7

10:44am Thu 6 Mar 14

MintCake says...

I hope that permission is (finally) granted and the Rugby Club gets the move that it so desperately needs.

Since the introduction of Ladies Rugby, Girls Rugby, Junior Rugby & Minis Rugby (all the way down to the Stingers), there has been a huge increase in the number of players getting involved in rugby, ALL from the Kendal and surrounding area.
A quick look at their website shows 13 different agegroup teams, where until recently there seemed to be only 3 or 4 teams (2 Senior Agegroup teams and 2 Colts agegroup teams) using the facilities.
What the Club has set up in such a short time for the children of Kendal & South Lakes is excellent and should be applauded and encouraged.

I hope that the new facilities that they are looking to move to are of a size and quality to ensure the continued growth of our home town Club. It has been a long time coming, but the Club seems to be really planning for the future.
I hope that permission is (finally) granted and the Rugby Club gets the move that it so desperately needs. Since the introduction of Ladies Rugby, Girls Rugby, Junior Rugby & Minis Rugby (all the way down to the Stingers), there has been a huge increase in the number of players getting involved in rugby, ALL from the Kendal and surrounding area. A quick look at their website shows 13 different agegroup teams, where until recently there seemed to be only 3 or 4 teams (2 Senior Agegroup teams and 2 Colts agegroup teams) using the facilities. What the Club has set up in such a short time for the children of Kendal & South Lakes is excellent and should be applauded and encouraged. I hope that the new facilities that they are looking to move to are of a size and quality to ensure the continued growth of our home town Club. It has been a long time coming, but the Club seems to be really planning for the future. MintCake
  • Score: 3

10:55am Thu 6 Mar 14

bantambelle says...

Looking at the planning application....
* The store is bigger than asda or morrisons - does Kendal really need this size?
* Massive detrimental impact to the high street; the report says the new store will take 12% of spend away from the town centre - can Kendal retailers survive?
* Lots more cars/ delivery vehicles will be heading to the north of town in a traffic system that is already at full capacity - how much more can Kendal residents and businesses take?

The development just looks like it will harm the vitality of Kendal
Looking at the planning application.... * The store is bigger than asda or morrisons - does Kendal really need this size? * Massive detrimental impact to the high street; the report says the new store will take 12% of spend away from the town centre - can Kendal retailers survive? * Lots more cars/ delivery vehicles will be heading to the north of town in a traffic system that is already at full capacity - how much more can Kendal residents and businesses take? The development just looks like it will harm the vitality of Kendal bantambelle
  • Score: 3

11:30am Thu 6 Mar 14

Kendal lad says...

MintCake wrote:
I hope that permission is (finally) granted and the Rugby Club gets the move that it so desperately needs.

Since the introduction of Ladies Rugby, Girls Rugby, Junior Rugby & Minis Rugby (all the way down to the Stingers), there has been a huge increase in the number of players getting involved in rugby, ALL from the Kendal and surrounding area.
A quick look at their website shows 13 different agegroup teams, where until recently there seemed to be only 3 or 4 teams (2 Senior Agegroup teams and 2 Colts agegroup teams) using the facilities.
What the Club has set up in such a short time for the children of Kendal & South Lakes is excellent and should be applauded and encouraged.

I hope that the new facilities that they are looking to move to are of a size and quality to ensure the continued growth of our home town Club. It has been a long time coming, but the Club seems to be really planning for the future.
Not got an issue with the club doing good works in any way. I speak as an ex-rugby player who played for nearly 20 years and have fond memories of the ground.
Don't be fooled though by the offer of cash for the club. This will be like the Trojan Horse. The detrimental effect that any new supermarket will have is not worth it.
And lets not forget that any new development for the club will have an impact on the areas of town that they move to, along with the surrounding roads etc.
[quote][p][bold]MintCake[/bold] wrote: I hope that permission is (finally) granted and the Rugby Club gets the move that it so desperately needs. Since the introduction of Ladies Rugby, Girls Rugby, Junior Rugby & Minis Rugby (all the way down to the Stingers), there has been a huge increase in the number of players getting involved in rugby, ALL from the Kendal and surrounding area. A quick look at their website shows 13 different agegroup teams, where until recently there seemed to be only 3 or 4 teams (2 Senior Agegroup teams and 2 Colts agegroup teams) using the facilities. What the Club has set up in such a short time for the children of Kendal & South Lakes is excellent and should be applauded and encouraged. I hope that the new facilities that they are looking to move to are of a size and quality to ensure the continued growth of our home town Club. It has been a long time coming, but the Club seems to be really planning for the future.[/p][/quote]Not got an issue with the club doing good works in any way. I speak as an ex-rugby player who played for nearly 20 years and have fond memories of the ground. Don't be fooled though by the offer of cash for the club. This will be like the Trojan Horse. The detrimental effect that any new supermarket will have is not worth it. And lets not forget that any new development for the club will have an impact on the areas of town that they move to, along with the surrounding roads etc. Kendal lad
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Thu 6 Mar 14

MintCake says...

Kendal lad wrote:
MintCake wrote:
I hope that permission is (finally) granted and the Rugby Club gets the move that it so desperately needs.

Since the introduction of Ladies Rugby, Girls Rugby, Junior Rugby & Minis Rugby (all the way down to the Stingers), there has been a huge increase in the number of players getting involved in rugby, ALL from the Kendal and surrounding area.
A quick look at their website shows 13 different agegroup teams, where until recently there seemed to be only 3 or 4 teams (2 Senior Agegroup teams and 2 Colts agegroup teams) using the facilities.
What the Club has set up in such a short time for the children of Kendal & South Lakes is excellent and should be applauded and encouraged.

I hope that the new facilities that they are looking to move to are of a size and quality to ensure the continued growth of our home town Club. It has been a long time coming, but the Club seems to be really planning for the future.
Not got an issue with the club doing good works in any way. I speak as an ex-rugby player who played for nearly 20 years and have fond memories of the ground.
Don't be fooled though by the offer of cash for the club. This will be like the Trojan Horse. The detrimental effect that any new supermarket will have is not worth it.
And lets not forget that any new development for the club will have an impact on the areas of town that they move to, along with the surrounding roads etc.
Regardless of what development was placed there, there would be objections !
I'm led to believe that the last time the development was proposed, it satisfied the planning criteria, but the Council blocked it because they wanted to support another development at Canal Head instead.
With that apparently preferred development coming to nought, does the Council have any grounds to block it ?
[quote][p][bold]Kendal lad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MintCake[/bold] wrote: I hope that permission is (finally) granted and the Rugby Club gets the move that it so desperately needs. Since the introduction of Ladies Rugby, Girls Rugby, Junior Rugby & Minis Rugby (all the way down to the Stingers), there has been a huge increase in the number of players getting involved in rugby, ALL from the Kendal and surrounding area. A quick look at their website shows 13 different agegroup teams, where until recently there seemed to be only 3 or 4 teams (2 Senior Agegroup teams and 2 Colts agegroup teams) using the facilities. What the Club has set up in such a short time for the children of Kendal & South Lakes is excellent and should be applauded and encouraged. I hope that the new facilities that they are looking to move to are of a size and quality to ensure the continued growth of our home town Club. It has been a long time coming, but the Club seems to be really planning for the future.[/p][/quote]Not got an issue with the club doing good works in any way. I speak as an ex-rugby player who played for nearly 20 years and have fond memories of the ground. Don't be fooled though by the offer of cash for the club. This will be like the Trojan Horse. The detrimental effect that any new supermarket will have is not worth it. And lets not forget that any new development for the club will have an impact on the areas of town that they move to, along with the surrounding roads etc.[/p][/quote]Regardless of what development was placed there, there would be objections ! I'm led to believe that the last time the development was proposed, it satisfied the planning criteria, but the Council blocked it because they wanted to support another development at Canal Head instead. With that apparently preferred development coming to nought, does the Council have any grounds to block it ? MintCake
  • Score: 3

6:52pm Fri 7 Mar 14

life cycle too says...

bantambelle wrote:
Looking at the planning application....
* The store is bigger than asda or morrisons - does Kendal really need this size?
* Massive detrimental impact to the high street; the report says the new store will take 12% of spend away from the town centre - can Kendal retailers survive?
* Lots more cars/ delivery vehicles will be heading to the north of town in a traffic system that is already at full capacity - how much more can Kendal residents and businesses take?

The development just looks like it will harm the vitality of Kendal
People avoid the town centre because of the cost of parking after you have driven there from Ambleside, or Sedbergh, then find such a poor selection of shops to choose from.

I now visit the K Village every weekend for a COSTA coffee, and a browse in the book shop, because parking is now just a pound!
[quote][p][bold]bantambelle[/bold] wrote: Looking at the planning application.... * The store is bigger than asda or morrisons - does Kendal really need this size? * Massive detrimental impact to the high street; the report says the new store will take 12% of spend away from the town centre - can Kendal retailers survive? * Lots more cars/ delivery vehicles will be heading to the north of town in a traffic system that is already at full capacity - how much more can Kendal residents and businesses take? The development just looks like it will harm the vitality of Kendal[/p][/quote]People avoid the town centre because of the cost of parking after you have driven there from Ambleside, or Sedbergh, then find such a poor selection of shops to choose from. I now visit the K Village every weekend for a COSTA coffee, and a browse in the book shop, because parking is now just a pound! life cycle too
  • Score: -2

4:55pm Sat 8 Mar 14

jazzactivist says...

Tell me about one job in a supermarket that isn't dead end, The Great Gatsby. Jobs in the low-level retail sector don't equip anyone doing them for any other sort of work, other than in another supermarket doing the same sort of thing. It's fine for retired people who have had a career and just want to earn some pin money, or students looking for extra income, or migrant workers who just want quick cash, but don't you think most people in this area deserve jobs that are well-paid, interesting and lead to other opportunities? If you are going to work in the retail industry, it's seems better to me to work for an independent shop for the same wages; where you have the chance to learn about all aspects of the work and even some specialist knowledge and skills. Supermarkets and other profit-only stores with their cheap jobs and cheap goods just drain the local economy.
Tell me about one job in a supermarket that isn't dead end, The Great Gatsby. Jobs in the low-level retail sector don't equip anyone doing them for any other sort of work, other than in another supermarket doing the same sort of thing. It's fine for retired people who have had a career and just want to earn some pin money, or students looking for extra income, or migrant workers who just want quick cash, but don't you think most people in this area deserve jobs that are well-paid, interesting and lead to other opportunities? If you are going to work in the retail industry, it's seems better to me to work for an independent shop for the same wages; where you have the chance to learn about all aspects of the work and even some specialist knowledge and skills. Supermarkets and other profit-only stores with their cheap jobs and cheap goods just drain the local economy. jazzactivist
  • Score: -6

7:22pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Ricky T Legg says...

Rather than put another massive building on the flood plain why not recycle the K Village "white elephant". If we desperately need a Sainsbury's store they can move in there. It is reasonably close to the town centre, would require minimal alterations. and clearly has failed in it's original use.
When applying for planning consent on a zone 3 flood plain site such as the Rugby Club's a sequential test must be carried out to prove that there is a definite need for the proposed development and that there is no other suitable site available. This one fails on both counts. The need is not proven and there is another site available. Conclusion: It's not about what is good for Kendal, it is all about money for other interested parties. It is time that planners started planning for our future instead of planning the size of developer's wallets.
Rather than put another massive building on the flood plain why not recycle the K Village "white elephant". If we desperately need a Sainsbury's store they can move in there. It is reasonably close to the town centre, would require minimal alterations. and clearly has failed in it's original use. When applying for planning consent on a zone 3 flood plain site such as the Rugby Club's a sequential test must be carried out to prove that there is a definite need for the proposed development and that there is no other suitable site available. This one fails on both counts. The need is not proven and there is another site available. Conclusion: It's not about what is good for Kendal, it is all about money for other interested parties. It is time that planners started planning for our future instead of planning the size of developer's wallets. Ricky T Legg
  • Score: 2

8:17pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Kendal lad says...

Ricky T Legg wrote:
Rather than put another massive building on the flood plain why not recycle the K Village "white elephant". If we desperately need a Sainsbury's store they can move in there. It is reasonably close to the town centre, would require minimal alterations. and clearly has failed in it's original use.
When applying for planning consent on a zone 3 flood plain site such as the Rugby Club's a sequential test must be carried out to prove that there is a definite need for the proposed development and that there is no other suitable site available. This one fails on both counts. The need is not proven and there is another site available. Conclusion: It's not about what is good for Kendal, it is all about money for other interested parties. It is time that planners started planning for our future instead of planning the size of developer's wallets.
Here, here.
K village was a massive and wasted opportunity. Greed over sense. If the town desperately needs a Sainsburys (and I am yet to be convinced) a quick bit of alteration to this white elephant should sort it out.
SLDC planners should start listening.
[quote][p][bold]Ricky T Legg[/bold] wrote: Rather than put another massive building on the flood plain why not recycle the K Village "white elephant". If we desperately need a Sainsbury's store they can move in there. It is reasonably close to the town centre, would require minimal alterations. and clearly has failed in it's original use. When applying for planning consent on a zone 3 flood plain site such as the Rugby Club's a sequential test must be carried out to prove that there is a definite need for the proposed development and that there is no other suitable site available. This one fails on both counts. The need is not proven and there is another site available. Conclusion: It's not about what is good for Kendal, it is all about money for other interested parties. It is time that planners started planning for our future instead of planning the size of developer's wallets.[/p][/quote]Here, here. K village was a massive and wasted opportunity. Greed over sense. If the town desperately needs a Sainsburys (and I am yet to be convinced) a quick bit of alteration to this white elephant should sort it out. SLDC planners should start listening. Kendal lad
  • Score: 0

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