County council staff in walk out over pay

The Westmorland Gazette: The picket line outside Kendal's County Hall this morning. Right (Maddy Wilkinson of GMB and Jenny Martin of Unison The picket line outside Kendal's County Hall this morning. Right (Maddy Wilkinson of GMB and Jenny Martin of Unison

THERE was no burning braziers or donkey jackets in Kendal today but strikers were out in t-shirts and shorts in the shadow of County Hall.

Around a dozen union members from Unison and the GMB  were at Cumbria County Council's most prominent public building in the town to observe the nationwide walkout which will last until midnight.

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It was a scene repeated at some council buildings across Cumbria in Barrow, Carlisle, Penrith and along the west coast.

However, earlier today there was no visible union display at either SLDC's South Lakeland House in Kendal or its Canal Head depot.

Today's strike is in protest at the deadlock between the unions' National Joint Council and the government which is suggesting a 1 per cent pay increase for local government employees.

Fed-up union members, who say they have not had a pay increase in three years, want that increased to nearer four per cent to take into account inflation and the increased cost of living.

Their claim is that many members - with or without the 1 per cent pay deal - are nearly 20 per cent worse off than they were pre-Coalition in 2010.

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Union representatives spoke of 'over-worked, low-paid, stressed' council staff working in essential roles like caring for the elderly or children, depending on foodbanks or debt counselling services.

Jenny Martin, Unison regional organiser stood shoulder-to-shoulder with council employees outside County Hall in Kendal.

She told how staff had been required to endure cuts, redundancies and endless efficiency drives while still trying to maintain vital services needed by the public.

"One of the main points we want to get across is that the government are saying council workers are well paid compared to public sector employees, but it shouldn't be a race to the bottom," said Ms Martin.

Her hope is that the walk-out will lead to the introduction of the Living Wage at the county council.

"The lowest paid workers are only just above the national minimum wage and if they get more pay then the better off the economy is in general," she said.

"Our fight is not with the council but with the government as they are not adequately resourcing local councils.

"What we have got left is staff doing more for less money and no prospect of that pay increasing. People in the council work for the love of the job in roles like children's services, care services and caring for the most vulnerable people in our society.

"School support staff are some of our lowest paid members and yet parents happily leave their children in their care every day and it isn't recognised in the pay they receive."

Maddy Wilkinson, a GMB Conveynor at Cumbria County Council, was with staff from the county council's highways teams who were taking part in the protest.

She explained that her union had allowed its members working in 'life and limb' roles not to observe the walkout to help maintain vital services during the day of action.

She said: "I'm out to support local government workers, the NHS and teachers across the country who, for the last three years, haven't had a pay rise and are finding it increasingly difficult to pay their gas and electricity bills."

Ms Wilkinson said: "We are still paying for the mistakes of the banking industry."

Asked why the public should have any sympathy when staff in the private sector have also struggled, Ms Wilkinson replied: "The public have a tendency to think that working for a council is all high salaries and fantastic pensions when it is not.

"If the bins were not emptied, the care staff did not go to work, the highways teams didn't do their work, we would really have problems.

"There are social workers today - dealing with child protection issues in places, as far away as Oxfordshire, taking care of children that they have a responsibility too, driving their own vehicles and being paid very little in mileage."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12:23pm Thu 10 Jul 14

BillyBob86 says...

hate that public sector employees feel they deserve special treatment! I work in the private sector and have gone 5 years without a pay rise because the company I work for needs to be able to keep running and can not afford pay rises. A vast majority of private sector workers also live with the threat of redundancies and no pay rises and would jump at even a 1% rise. However, it angers me that the public sectors turn there noes up at I and think they deserve special treatment. From my knowledge public sector workers get paid similar, and in most cases more, than the equivalent private sector jobs. Yet thy feel the need to strike and cause problems for other people, for example having to take time off work for children when teachers strike. I think they need to live in the real world and realise everyone is in the same situation!!!
hate that public sector employees feel they deserve special treatment! I work in the private sector and have gone 5 years without a pay rise because the company I work for needs to be able to keep running and can not afford pay rises. A vast majority of private sector workers also live with the threat of redundancies and no pay rises and would jump at even a 1% rise. However, it angers me that the public sectors turn there noes up at I and think they deserve special treatment. From my knowledge public sector workers get paid similar, and in most cases more, than the equivalent private sector jobs. Yet thy feel the need to strike and cause problems for other people, for example having to take time off work for children when teachers strike. I think they need to live in the real world and realise everyone is in the same situation!!! BillyBob86
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12:36pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

Couldn't agree more.
I work in the Public Sector:I receive a decent living wage,a good pension,generous holiday and sickness benefits, and flexible hours.
I would be lucky to be so well off in an equivalant Private Sector job.
Nobody will notice these lot will be on strike today except the workers themselves-when they are deducted a day's pay in next month's for strike action:a strike not even supported by the Labour Party. salary!
In some cases less than 20% of the members actually voted to take industrial action.
Couldn't agree more. I work in the Public Sector:I receive a decent living wage,a good pension,generous holiday and sickness benefits, and flexible hours. I would be lucky to be so well off in an equivalant Private Sector job. Nobody will notice these lot will be on strike today except the workers themselves-when they are deducted a day's pay in next month's for strike action:a strike not even supported by the Labour Party. salary! In some cases less than 20% of the members actually voted to take industrial action. Whinfell
  • Score: 13

3:17pm Thu 10 Jul 14

PeterRogerson says...

Agree with you both. I work in the private sector and have not had a pay rise in 3 years. Its not easy but you have a manage and make do and wait until things improve. The days of the final salary pension and annual pay increases are long gone. Instead of moaning about it, perhaps they should be showing that they are needed in their jobs, instead of inflicting problems on the rest of the country. Teachers, fire fighters, care workers, all basically after a free ride
Agree with you both. I work in the private sector and have not had a pay rise in 3 years. Its not easy but you have a manage and make do and wait until things improve. The days of the final salary pension and annual pay increases are long gone. Instead of moaning about it, perhaps they should be showing that they are needed in their jobs, instead of inflicting problems on the rest of the country. Teachers, fire fighters, care workers, all basically after a free ride PeterRogerson
  • Score: 7

5:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

Firstly:did anyone notice the strike today?
Our bins were emptied and the local school was open.
The 'strike' will be forgotten by tomorrow.
Couldn't agree more with Peter Rogerson.
The Teachers and other freeloaders want the rest of the Private Sector to subsidise their pensions.
As a Public Sector employee I feel embarrassed by this 'head in the clouds' attitude.
Firstly:did anyone notice the strike today? Our bins were emptied and the local school was open. The 'strike' will be forgotten by tomorrow. Couldn't agree more with Peter Rogerson. The Teachers and other freeloaders want the rest of the Private Sector to subsidise their pensions. As a Public Sector employee I feel embarrassed by this 'head in the clouds' attitude. Whinfell
  • Score: 3

10:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

There are differences between sections of the Public Sector. A majority of those working for the council and as school support staff are at the bottom of the pay scales and with the proposed 1% rise will only just be earning above the minimum wage. The unions are asking for the bottom of the pay scale to be the living wage of £7.65 an hour. Not much to ask surely?
One million workers whose pay is negotiated through the NJC (National Joint Council for Local Government Services) earn less than coalition's low-pay definition of £21000.
Those who criticise the public sector strike would benefit from the introduction of the living wage too. Where is the sense in the working poor having to claim benefits and use food banks? Pay them more and the economy will recover quicker as that money will be spent in the local economy. There is no sense in arguing for a race to the bottom.
There are differences between sections of the Public Sector. A majority of those working for the council and as school support staff are at the bottom of the pay scales and with the proposed 1% rise will only just be earning above the minimum wage. The unions are asking for the bottom of the pay scale to be the living wage of £7.65 an hour. Not much to ask surely? One million workers whose pay is negotiated through the NJC (National Joint Council for Local Government Services) earn less than coalition's low-pay definition of £21000. Those who criticise the public sector strike would benefit from the introduction of the living wage too. Where is the sense in the working poor having to claim benefits and use food banks? Pay them more and the economy will recover quicker as that money will be spent in the local economy. There is no sense in arguing for a race to the bottom. JBean2
  • Score: 1

6:22am Fri 11 Jul 14

searcher21c says...

I would hazard a guess that there are far more in the private sector in the lower pay scales than there are in the public sector - yet they are being asked to fund public sector pay hikes and wonderful pension schemes that are almost extinct in the private sector. The short answer is that private sector workers can't afford what these strikers want, not even for themselves!
I would hazard a guess that there are far more in the private sector in the lower pay scales than there are in the public sector - yet they are being asked to fund public sector pay hikes and wonderful pension schemes that are almost extinct in the private sector. The short answer is that private sector workers can't afford what these strikers want, not even for themselves! searcher21c
  • Score: 3

7:55am Fri 11 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

It is a complete myth that " the public" are having to fund wonderful pension schemes! The local government pension scheme is a funded pension scheme with assets of over £100 billion, making it a major shareholder in business and the UK economy. There is sufficient funding to pay pensions for over 20 years. It is a successful, viable and sustainable scheme with a positive cash flow of around 4-5 billion pounds a year.
Having said all that the average LGPS pension is £4000 a year and about£2600 for women, not gold-plated as some people would try to make out.
These workers are paying taxes too, to fund everything that taxes provide.
The argument that private sector workers can't afford what the public sector workers want doesn't stand up as a way forward out of austerity measures. Are you saying it is right to pay people below the living wage? Then they have no money to spend in the local economy and private businesses suffer.
It is a complete myth that " the public" are having to fund wonderful pension schemes! The local government pension scheme is a funded pension scheme with assets of over £100 billion, making it a major shareholder in business and the UK economy. There is sufficient funding to pay pensions for over 20 years. It is a successful, viable and sustainable scheme with a positive cash flow of around 4-5 billion pounds a year. Having said all that the average LGPS pension is £4000 a year and about£2600 for women, not gold-plated as some people would try to make out. These workers are paying taxes too, to fund everything that taxes provide. The argument that private sector workers can't afford what the public sector workers want doesn't stand up as a way forward out of austerity measures. Are you saying it is right to pay people below the living wage? Then they have no money to spend in the local economy and private businesses suffer. JBean2
  • Score: 1

8:33am Fri 11 Jul 14

drixhen says...

are not the government MPs public sector workers if they are have they
had a pay freeze for 4 years or a 1% pay rise I think not
are not the government MPs public sector workers if they are have they had a pay freeze for 4 years or a 1% pay rise I think not drixhen
  • Score: 2

11:02am Fri 11 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

There is no point in saying a pension fund is viable for 20 years.
It has to be viable ad infinitum.
Many workers starting out today will need a pension scheme which is functioning for the next 60 to 70 years!
This is why the Government is asking Public sector workers to increase their contributions and wait longer to receive their pension.
Of course the Public Sector workers don't like this and think they are entitled to preferential treatment.
The 'strike' was a farce:it was barely noticed and not even supported by by the majority of the Public Sector workers.
There is no point in saying a pension fund is viable for 20 years. It has to be viable ad infinitum. Many workers starting out today will need a pension scheme which is functioning for the next 60 to 70 years! This is why the Government is asking Public sector workers to increase their contributions and wait longer to receive their pension. Of course the Public Sector workers don't like this and think they are entitled to preferential treatment. The 'strike' was a farce:it was barely noticed and not even supported by by the majority of the Public Sector workers. Whinfell
  • Score: 0

5:00pm Fri 11 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

Actually the LGPS changed on the 1st April and so now people are paying more and for longer and it has changed to a career average rather than a final pay scheme.Before the scheme was altered the Treasury accepted that the contribution increase was designed to help reduce the deficit, rather than improve the longterm viability of the pensions system. It said it would raise £2.8bn from the policy.
Now I am not sure if they will raise that amount, but that was the motivation behind it, and the healthy state of the pension scheme allowed them to attack it with propaganda, setting private against public, working on people's jealousy. So the facts are, we are now paying more and the scheme is viable and the coalition is in effect taxing LGPS members to help deficit reduction caused by bankers.
The strike was about pay increases anyway, not the new LGPS.
The article is about council workers, not MPs.
People should stand together to protest about the way the coalition is using austerity as a way of making ideological changes, making the poorest workers pay, while bankers continue to stuff us all up whilst taking pots of money for themselves. Instead they get exactly what they want, setting private against public in a race to the bottom. What is the point in paying people so little they then have to claim tax credits, pay them more in the first place!
Actually the LGPS changed on the 1st April and so now people are paying more and for longer and it has changed to a career average rather than a final pay scheme.Before the scheme was altered the Treasury accepted that the contribution increase was designed to help reduce the deficit, rather than improve the longterm viability of the pensions system. It said it would raise £2.8bn from the policy. Now I am not sure if they will raise that amount, but that was the motivation behind it, and the healthy state of the pension scheme allowed them to attack it with propaganda, setting private against public, working on people's jealousy. So the facts are, we are now paying more and the scheme is viable and the coalition is in effect taxing LGPS members to help deficit reduction caused by bankers. The strike was about pay increases anyway, not the new LGPS. The article is about council workers, not MPs. People should stand together to protest about the way the coalition is using austerity as a way of making ideological changes, making the poorest workers pay, while bankers continue to stuff us all up whilst taking pots of money for themselves. Instead they get exactly what they want, setting private against public in a race to the bottom. What is the point in paying people so little they then have to claim tax credits, pay them more in the first place! JBean2
  • Score: 1

7:37pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Sick of moaners says...

Look at the photo, how long has Hulk Hogan worked for cumbria county council?
Look at the photo, how long has Hulk Hogan worked for cumbria county council? Sick of moaners
  • Score: 6

11:25am Wed 16 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

A pension scheme which is viable for 20 years is not in a healthy state!
It needs to be viable ad infinitum!
A 20 year old starting today will need to know the pension scheme will still be funded 60 to 70 years hence.
You are wrong saying the 'strike' was not about pensions:the firemen and teachers were definitely striking over pensions as you will know.
The poor old teachers were also complaining about increased workload performance related pay and wages!;but that is teachers for you-they will moan about anything.I should know:I work in Education.
Damp squib doesn't do justice to this 'strike' which went largely unnoticed by the general public.
A pension scheme which is viable for 20 years is not in a healthy state! It needs to be viable ad infinitum! A 20 year old starting today will need to know the pension scheme will still be funded 60 to 70 years hence. You are wrong saying the 'strike' was not about pensions:the firemen and teachers were definitely striking over pensions as you will know. The poor old teachers were also complaining about increased workload[the poor dears!] performance related pay and wages!;but that is teachers for you-they will moan about anything.I should know:I work in Education. Damp squib doesn't do justice to this 'strike' which went largely unnoticed by the general public. Whinfell
  • Score: 0

11:55am Wed 16 Jul 14

searcher21c says...

"The argument that private sector workers can't afford what the public sector workers want doesn't stand up as a way forward out of austerity measures. Are you saying it is right to pay people below the living wage?"

Nowhere did I suggest that it is right to pay people less than a living wage. What I said, JBean2, was that workers in the public sector seem to be suggesting that it is somehow right for their pay and benefits to be boosted from monies collected from similarly paid workers in the private sector. The latter cannot afford it.

And I am aware that many, but not all, public sector workers contribute to their pensions. This is normal for private sector workers too but without the generous results. However, the employer of public sector workers is "the public." "The public" therefore contributes the employer's proportion of public sector pensions, so it's not as if the rest of us aren't already helping here.

There is a need for less politicking and more sense of proportion.
"The argument that private sector workers can't afford what the public sector workers want doesn't stand up as a way forward out of austerity measures. Are you saying it is right to pay people below the living wage?" Nowhere did I suggest that it is right to pay people less than a living wage. What I said, JBean2, was that workers in the public sector seem to be suggesting that it is somehow right for their pay and benefits to be boosted from monies collected from similarly paid workers in the private sector. The latter cannot afford it. And I am aware that many, but not all, public sector workers contribute to their pensions. This is normal for private sector workers too but without the generous results. However, the employer of public sector workers is "the public." "The public" therefore contributes the employer's proportion of public sector pensions, so it's not as if the rest of us aren't already helping here. There is a need for less politicking and more sense of proportion. searcher21c
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Wed 16 Jul 14

BillyBob86 says...

I think everyone would agree that no one should be paid below a wage that allows someone to survive. However the issue is with the public sector workers complaining about not getting paid enough, when in fact they already get equal, if not better, pay than private sector workers.

"One million workers whose pay is negotiated through the NJC (National Joint Council for Local Government Services) earn less than coalition's low-pay definition of £21000." I would put money on a heck of a lot more private sector workers earning a lot less than that!!

This is not about a race to the bottom either. If you want to see it like that, why should public sector workers get pay rises when they already get paid well. Why not help the private sector workers that get paid a lot less than the public sectors. A comment on here that's says pay the public sector workers more so they can spend more and help the economy is ridiculous, do you think it is only public sector workers that spend?

Help those that are worse off, and at the end of the day that is the private sector workers that are currently getting paid less than the equivalent public sector jobs.
I think everyone would agree that no one should be paid below a wage that allows someone to survive. However the issue is with the public sector workers complaining about not getting paid enough, when in fact they already get equal, if not better, pay than private sector workers. "One million workers whose pay is negotiated through the NJC (National Joint Council for Local Government Services) earn less than coalition's low-pay definition of £21000." I would put money on a heck of a lot more private sector workers earning a lot less than that!! This is not about a race to the bottom either. If you want to see it like that, why should public sector workers get pay rises when they already get paid well. Why not help the private sector workers that get paid a lot less than the public sectors. A comment on here that's says pay the public sector workers more so they can spend more and help the economy is ridiculous, do you think it is only public sector workers that spend? Help those that are worse off, and at the end of the day that is the private sector workers that are currently getting paid less than the equivalent public sector jobs. BillyBob86
  • Score: 1

1:10pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

Whinfell, it may in your humble opinion have been a damp squib of a strike, but at least you are still talking about it. :) And as I said I was talking about local government and school support staff , not firemen.
And searcher21c and BillyBob86, you continue to argue about the "us" and "them". I work in education, trying to help young people get a good start so they can have a secure future. I also pay taxes ànd because I am on PAYE, I pay every penny that I owe. There are people out there in the private sector who don't! I simply do not agree that I get paid more than I could in the private sector. I could get a cleaning job or shop work and get paid more than I do, but I would rather do the job I do and use my hard earned education.
Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you understand what is going on here. How do you know " public sector workers get paid well", I know a lot who don't. It depends who you are talking about.
I know there are people in the private sector getting paid less than £21000, that's why its so important we fight for a living wage for everyone. We need to start at the bottom and the benefits will work up for everyone.
Whinfell, it may in your humble opinion have been a damp squib of a strike, but at least you are still talking about it. :) And as I said I was talking about local government and school support staff , not firemen. And searcher21c and BillyBob86, you continue to argue about the "us" and "them". I work in education, trying to help young people get a good start so they can have a secure future. I also pay taxes ànd because I am on PAYE, I pay every penny that I owe. There are people out there in the private sector who don't! I simply do not agree that I get paid more than I could in the private sector. I could get a cleaning job or shop work and get paid more than I do, but I would rather do the job I do and use my hard earned education. Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you understand what is going on here. How do you know " public sector workers get paid well", I know a lot who don't. It depends who you are talking about. I know there are people in the private sector getting paid less than £21000, that's why its so important we fight for a living wage for everyone. We need to start at the bottom and the benefits will work up for everyone. JBean2
  • Score: -2

1:22pm Wed 16 Jul 14

BillyBob86 says...

I refer to 'us' and 'them' because I am on one side of it (us) and the public sector is the other (them). Agreed there are low and high paid jobs in bot sectors. You seem to be missing the point, as stated in my previous posts, I specify the pay gap between equivalent jobs in public and private.

Also as stated in my previous post, I am saying that public sector jobs are better paid than the equivalent private sector jobs through experience and discussion with people in both public and private.

You say people that are striking are campaigning for the pay rise are fighting for everyone to have the living wage, but this is simply not true at all. All the striking public sector workers are doing are trying to increase their own wage, while making life harder for those that are put out (financially - time off work to look after kids/childcare or effort - public services not being accessible) by the strikes. The strikes have either selfish or ignorant motivation by people who claim to be doing in for the good of everyone here in reality it only makes things harder.
I refer to 'us' and 'them' because I am on one side of it (us) and the public sector is the other (them). Agreed there are low and high paid jobs in bot sectors. You seem to be missing the point, as stated in my previous posts, I specify the pay gap between equivalent jobs in public and private. Also as stated in my previous post, I am saying that public sector jobs are better paid than the equivalent private sector jobs through experience and discussion with people in both public and private. You say people that are striking are campaigning for the pay rise are fighting for everyone to have the living wage, but this is simply not true at all. All the striking public sector workers are doing are trying to increase their own wage, while making life harder for those that are put out (financially - time off work to look after kids/childcare or effort - public services not being accessible) by the strikes. The strikes have either selfish or ignorant motivation by people who claim to be doing in for the good of everyone here in reality it only makes things harder. BillyBob86
  • Score: 2

1:33pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

Jbean2- It is not my opinion the 'strike' was a damp squib it is a fact.
Yes I am still talking about it but only in the context of its dampness.
It is a shame more don't actually participate:just think how much money the taxpayer would save in lieu of paying the strikers' wages.
There is no public support,Labour support or,strangely, majority support amongst Public Sector workers.
Get over it:accept we are all in this together and move on.
Jbean2- It is not my opinion the 'strike' was a damp squib it is a fact. Yes I am still talking about it but only in the context of its dampness. It is a shame more don't actually participate:just think how much money the taxpayer would save in lieu of paying the strikers' wages. There is no public support,Labour support or,strangely, majority support amongst Public Sector workers. Get over it:accept we are all in this together and move on. Whinfell
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

We are all in this together......... Hahahahahahahah!
We are all in this together......... Hahahahahahahah! JBean2
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

Why the hahahahaha!?
What sort of daft comment is that?
I am talking about workers in both the Public and Private Sector as if I needed to spell it out.
Workers in both sectors are facing cut backs pay restraints and more realistic pension contributions,delaye
d retirement dates and average salary pensions.
The difference is the Private Sector are just getting on with it and not striking.
Why the hahahahaha!? What sort of daft comment is that? I am talking about workers in both the Public and Private Sector as if I needed to spell it out. Workers in both sectors are facing cut backs pay restraints and more realistic pension contributions,delaye d retirement dates and average salary pensions. The difference is the Private Sector are just getting on with it and not striking. Whinfell
  • Score: 2

4:29pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

So Whinfell, now you have told me to "get over it", " move on" , and my comment is "daft" and you have to spell things out to me. Well maybe its alright for you as you have admitted you work in the public sector, get a decent wage, flexible hours, good pension, sick pay and holidays so well done you and no wonder you don't care.
We will have to agree to differ, because I know not everyone is as fortunate as you. Do I have to spell it out to you? The unions think the lowest paid council workers should receive the living wage. You claim that you have no problem with that, so get over it yourself.
There will be some council workers/school support staff who would be better off not working. Also many claim tax credits - taking back precious tax from the government. How any sane person thinks that's OK is way beyond me.
Many people in the private sector have not suffered very much in the last few years, that's why I find the phrase " we're all in this together" so contemptuous and have to laugh or I would cry.
So Whinfell, now you have told me to "get over it", " move on" , and my comment is "daft" and you have to spell things out to me. Well maybe its alright for you as you have admitted you work in the public sector, get a decent wage, flexible hours, good pension, sick pay and holidays so well done you and no wonder you don't care. We will have to agree to differ, because I know not everyone is as fortunate as you. Do I have to spell it out to you? The unions think the lowest paid council workers should receive the living wage. You claim that you have no problem with that, so get over it yourself. There will be some council workers/school support staff who would be better off not working. Also many claim tax credits - taking back precious tax from the government. How any sane person thinks that's OK is way beyond me. Many people in the private sector have not suffered very much in the last few years, that's why I find the phrase " we're all in this together" so contemptuous and have to laugh or I would cry. JBean2
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Wed 16 Jul 14

BillyBob86 says...

JBean2 you still amaze me in thinking public sector workers are hard done by in comparison to private? You need to wake up to the fact it is happening to everyone. There are many people in the private sector as well that would be better off not working.

"Many people in the private sector have not suffered very much in the last few years" is the most stupid comment on here!

Public sector worker claim tax credits so they may aswell get paid more? Either way the government is funding both those options. Neither is better than the other.

Energy should be put into raising minimum wage for everyone, not just the public sector. The strikes are for the self people that think they are hard done by. I agree with Whinfell totally in the fact everyone is in the same boat, and its time those that went on strike realise it and stop thinking they deserve to be regarded higher than everyone else.
JBean2 you still amaze me in thinking public sector workers are hard done by in comparison to private? You need to wake up to the fact it is happening to everyone. There are many people in the private sector as well that would be better off not working. "Many people in the private sector have not suffered very much in the last few years" is the most stupid comment on here! Public sector worker claim tax credits so they may aswell get paid more? Either way the government is funding both those options. Neither is better than the other. Energy should be put into raising minimum wage for everyone, not just the public sector. The strikes are for the self people that think they are hard done by. I agree with Whinfell totally in the fact everyone is in the same boat, and its time those that went on strike realise it and stop thinking they deserve to be regarded higher than everyone else. BillyBob86
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Little Lee says...

There are plenty people working in the private sector who haven't had a
pay rise in 6 years, never mind 3, my son being one. He earns just a few bob over the minimum wage, working in a skilled high tech job.
Public sector workers (and I know quite a few family and friends, including police and teachers), who are basically out for themselves, and sod the rest. They need to get in the real world, or get out.
There are plenty people working in the private sector who haven't had a pay rise in 6 years, never mind 3, my son being one. He earns just a few bob over the minimum wage, working in a skilled high tech job. Public sector workers (and I know quite a few family and friends, including police and teachers), who are basically out for themselves, and sod the rest. They need to get in the real world, or get out. Little Lee
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5:39pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

I have worked in both sectors for years.Now I work in the Public Sector I realise how fortunate I am.
Quite agree with Billybob that the comment about people in the Private sector not having suffered as much is not credible.
It is always informative to watch Undercover Boss.
Usually they are based on Private Sector companies.
The boss goes back to the shop floor to find workers grinding themselves to the bone,working long hours;often for paltry pay.
It reminds me of my Private Sector days when I worked till I dropped.
I have never had to work half as hard in my many Public Sector jobs over the past few years.
If similar Public sector 'productivity' was transferred to the Private Sector then many businesses would have gone under years ago.
The 'strike' was not only a damp squib but an insult to Private Sector workers who are funding us!
I have worked in both sectors for years.Now I work in the Public Sector I realise how fortunate I am. Quite agree with Billybob that the comment about people in the Private sector not having suffered as much is not credible. It is always informative to watch Undercover Boss. Usually they are based on Private Sector companies. The boss goes back to the shop floor to find workers grinding themselves to the bone,working long hours;often for paltry pay. It reminds me of my Private Sector days when I worked till I dropped. I have never had to work half as hard in my many Public Sector jobs over the past few years[and I have had better pay and condition as well as superior pension]. If similar Public sector 'productivity' was transferred to the Private Sector then many businesses would have gone under years ago. The 'strike' was not only a damp squib but an insult to Private Sector workers who are funding us! Whinfell
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5:43pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

Look BillyBob86, why are you having a go at me? Just agree to differ. You think people should just lie down and take it, I don't.
Of course energy should be put into raising the minimum wage for everyone, have you done anything about it? No? Well thank the public sector workers for their efforts.
And thanks for calling my comment "stupid" when it is true.
Oh yes and what a good idea, the government pay so low wages to public employees that they then have to employ more of the people you love so much to work out how much tax to give them back - and you think I'm stupid.
Look BillyBob86, why are you having a go at me? Just agree to differ. You think people should just lie down and take it, I don't. Of course energy should be put into raising the minimum wage for everyone, have you done anything about it? No? Well thank the public sector workers for their efforts. And thanks for calling my comment "stupid" when it is true. Oh yes and what a good idea, the government pay so low wages to public employees that they then have to employ more of the people you love so much to work out how much tax to give them back - and you think I'm stupid. JBean2
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5:53pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

Little Lee, I sympathise with your son, but I can't stand up for him can I?
My comments have not been about teachers or the police, as I don't know about their pay and conditions. People should stand up for themselves when they feel undervalued. This country is just lying down and watching while the wealth is redistributed under the guise of austerity.
Little Lee, I sympathise with your son, but I can't stand up for him can I? My comments have not been about teachers or the police, as I don't know about their pay and conditions. People should stand up for themselves when they feel undervalued. This country is just lying down and watching while the wealth is redistributed under the guise of austerity. JBean2
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7:03pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

'And thanks for calling my comment "stupid" when it is true.' says Jbean
Well it wasn't clever to say,"Many people in the private sector have not suffered very much in the last few years"
There is little or no sympathy out there for Public Sector workers:comments like this really don't help your cause.
'And thanks for calling my comment "stupid" when it is true.' says Jbean Well it wasn't clever to say,"Many people in the private sector have not suffered very much in the last few years" There is little or no sympathy out there for Public Sector workers:comments like this really don't help your cause. Whinfell
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8:22pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

Oh how the poor bankers have suffered...
Oh how the poor bankers have suffered... JBean2
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8:22pm Wed 16 Jul 14

JBean2 says...

The debt collectors too...
The debt collectors too... JBean2
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8:44pm Wed 16 Jul 14

Whinfell says...

Time for you to take a holiday jbean or lie down in a darkened room.
You are losing your audience:exit stage left!
Time for you to take a holiday jbean or lie down in a darkened room. You are losing your audience:exit stage left! Whinfell
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8:52am Thu 17 Jul 14

BillyBob86 says...

JBean, I'm not having a go at you. I'm purely stating that private sector workers "lie down and take it" as we have a wider perspective on the current economy and realise that striking has other greater detrimental effects to not only a business but to other people. This is the same view as the majority of public sector workers as proved by the fact it was only the minority narrow minded public sector workers that voted to strike.
JBean, I'm not having a go at you. I'm purely stating that private sector workers "lie down and take it" as we have a wider perspective on the current economy and realise that striking has other greater detrimental effects to not only a business but to other people. This is the same view as the majority of public sector workers as proved by the fact it was only the minority narrow minded public sector workers that voted to strike. BillyBob86
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