£4 million convention centre planned for Windermere lakeshore

An artist's impression of the new centre

Tim Berry, of English Lakes Hotels, in front of the site of the proposed convention centre

First published in Business The Westmorland Gazette: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

A STRIKING 600-delegate convention and exhibition centre on the shores of Windermere looks set to get the go-ahead next week.

The glass-fronted complex, which would be the largest of its kind in the Lake District, would be built next to the A591 opposite the Low Wood Hotel.

But opponents are worried about increased traffic and Friends of the Lake District said the development would have a detrimental impact on the lake shore.

Described as being a ‘world-class visitor destination’, the £4million centre would also host concerts, exhibitions, dinners and product launches. It would create 35 new jobs and attract businesses from across the UK.

Filling a long-established need for a major conference centre in South Lakeland, it would also incorporate innovative ‘green’ features, including a ground source heat pump, and would be powered by hydro-electric.

Director of Low Wood owners English Lakes Hotels Tim Berry said: “We hope this iconic building will be a wonderful asset to South Lakeland, creating jobs and attracting business leaders and organisations from all over the country.

“If we are going to entice these people here then we really need to give them the ‘wow factor’ so they spread the word that the Lake District is a great place to come and do business.”

The Watersports Centre at Low Wood Bay would be demolished and relocated into nearby garages to make way for the centre, which English Lakes said would ‘blend sympathetically’ with its surroundings.

The company already has permission to build a conference centre at Low Wood Bay but is seeking fresh planning consent for the new modern design.

Derek Armstrong, chair of Cumbria Chamber of Commerce, said the centre would help attract firms looking to host corporate events in the Lake District from major cities like Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham.

“It’s a good idea and would get more businesses coming to view Cumbria,” said Mr Armstrong.

“You never know what these things are going to lead to. Businesses could come up, see what a good place it is and build a factory somewhere.”

Jonathan Denby, chairman of Lakes Hospitality Association, described the plan as ‘exciting’, adding: “Bold initiatives like this are just what the Lakes needs.”

Cumbria Tourism is supporting the scheme, saying the case for more conference facilities in the Lake District had been made in a series of studies.

But Friends of the Lake District has objected to the project, citing the ‘significant, adverse impact on the tranquil character of the lakeshore’.

The charity said the design was too ‘urban’ and added: “We object to the scale of the building and the resultant increase in activity, which are not sympathetic to the characteristics and sensitivities of the location.

“We have particular concerns over the visual impact of significant areas of glass fronting the lake, which are likely to reflect sunlight and generate light pollution.”

It is hoped some visitors would travel to the centre by boat, reducing traffic, but some people remain worried about safety.

The civic trusts of both Ambleside and Windermere have both objected because of the loss of a green field site for parking and concerns about the safety of pedestrians.

Lakes Parish Council said it was concerned about pedestrian safety and the impact of the increased traffic on the A591.

Cumbria Highways officials said the traffic plans drawn up were ‘adequate’.

Lake District National Park Authority planners have recommended that the scheme is delegated to the head of development to approve. Its report said the scheme could bring ‘many economic benefits’.A decision will be made on Wednesday.

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11:21am Thu 26 Apr 12

Ben Berry says...

I'm so proud that my family business continues to invest in the area and our people.

This centre will provide a world class convention centre and open Windermere up to far more people. As ever its disappointing that the fiends of the lake district do not want anyone but their members to come here.
I'm so proud that my family business continues to invest in the area and our people. This centre will provide a world class convention centre and open Windermere up to far more people. As ever its disappointing that the fiends of the lake district do not want anyone but their members to come here. Ben Berry
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11:22am Thu 26 Apr 12

Ben Berry says...

I'm so proud that my family business continues to invest in the area and our people.

This centre will provide a world class convention centre and open Windermere up to far more people. As ever its disappointing that the fiends of the lake district do not want anyone but their members to come here.
I'm so proud that my family business continues to invest in the area and our people. This centre will provide a world class convention centre and open Windermere up to far more people. As ever its disappointing that the fiends of the lake district do not want anyone but their members to come here. Ben Berry
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11:28am Thu 26 Apr 12

ianrosie says...

What a wonderful looking building, many years ago I proposed that the company I worked for at the time have their National Conference in the Lake District - sadly there was no-where big enough and we ended up in a conference room in the bowels of a hotel at Heathrow airport. (I made sure I fuelled the car up in Kendal before I went though so at least some money was kept in the local economy)

Now, we stayed two nights, ate a lot of food and drank plenty of nice wine.

Catering for conferences of this size will support many, many, many local suppliers as well as bring lots of trade to the South Lakes and the Lake District in general.

Friends of the Lake District, I have never really researched who they are but as far as I can see all they want to do is let OUR wonderful Lake District stagnate.

Ambitious plans and I fully support them, I hope common sense prevails and this goes ahead without any further fuss.

Good luck English Lakes Hotels.
What a wonderful looking building, many years ago I proposed that the company I worked for at the time have their National Conference in the Lake District - sadly there was no-where big enough and we ended up in a conference room in the bowels of a hotel at Heathrow airport. (I made sure I fuelled the car up in Kendal before I went though so at least some money was kept in the local economy) Now, we stayed two nights, ate a lot of food and drank plenty of nice wine. Catering for conferences of this size will support many, many, many local suppliers as well as bring lots of trade to the South Lakes and the Lake District in general. Friends of the Lake District, I have never really researched who they are but as far as I can see all they want to do is let OUR wonderful Lake District stagnate. Ambitious plans and I fully support them, I hope common sense prevails and this goes ahead without any further fuss. Good luck English Lakes Hotels. ianrosie
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11:51am Thu 26 Apr 12

lakesailor says...

A wonderful scheme. Where will our heritage of modern architecture come from if we hark back to the 19th century all the time?
I am wondering if a complaint to the Trading Standards about the Friends of the Lake District would be fruitful.
They can hardly be regarded as "friends".
All they do is object to anything that constitutes a change.
Their complaints have plumbed the depths of the ridiculous now with
“We have particular concerns over the visual impact of significant areas of glass fronting the lake, which are likely to reflect sunlight and generate light pollution.”
Light pollution? From the Sun?

Perhaps it's time to start an opposing body.
The Real Friends of the Lake District, maybe.
A wonderful scheme. Where will our heritage of modern architecture come from if we hark back to the 19th century all the time? I am wondering if a complaint to the Trading Standards about the Friends of the Lake District would be fruitful. They can hardly be regarded as "friends". All they do is object to anything that constitutes a change. Their complaints have plumbed the depths of the ridiculous now with “We have particular concerns over the visual impact of significant areas of glass fronting the lake, which are likely to reflect sunlight and generate light pollution.” Light pollution? From the Sun? Perhaps it's time to start an opposing body. The Real Friends of the Lake District, maybe. lakesailor
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12:20pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Milkbutnosugarplease says...

Could they not demolish that tatty place in Bowness that used to be Shepherd's boat sales and replace it with something ambitious for public performances, conferences and so on? That would be a beautiful location for visitors. At the moment it's an amusement arcade at ground level.
Could they not demolish that tatty place in Bowness that used to be Shepherd's boat sales and replace it with something ambitious for public performances, conferences and so on? That would be a beautiful location for visitors. At the moment it's an amusement arcade at ground level. Milkbutnosugarplease
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1:18pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Roysyboy says...

The Victorians ruined Windermere and now it is going to be further ruined. And for whom? The workers of Cumbira, or the friends of the well-to-do who live off the labour of others?
The Victorians ruined Windermere and now it is going to be further ruined. And for whom? The workers of Cumbira, or the friends of the well-to-do who live off the labour of others? Roysyboy
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1:27pm Thu 26 Apr 12

laker1 says...

The non elected so called Friends of the Lake District helped destroy many businesses with their ridiculous speed ban on the lake. Here we have a locally owned business which was seriously affected by that legislation trying to develop. The design looks great, we have to move forward, we can't live in a 'museum' for ever.
The non elected so called Friends of the Lake District helped destroy many businesses with their ridiculous speed ban on the lake. Here we have a locally owned business which was seriously affected by that legislation trying to develop. The design looks great, we have to move forward, we can't live in a 'museum' for ever. laker1
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1:50pm Thu 26 Apr 12

eamonnguitar says...

Rather an expensive way of getting rid of the Canada Geese don't you think?
Rather an expensive way of getting rid of the Canada Geese don't you think? eamonnguitar
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2:29pm Thu 26 Apr 12

lakesailor says...

Roysyboy wrote:
The Victorians ruined Windermere and now it is going to be further ruined. And for whom? The workers of Cumbira, or the friends of the well-to-do who live off the labour of others?
Yes, let's make into a commune and we'll all benefit from everybody's efforts.

You weren't Wolfie in an earlier existence maybe?
"Power to the People!"
[quote][p][bold]Roysyboy[/bold] wrote: The Victorians ruined Windermere and now it is going to be further ruined. And for whom? The workers of Cumbira, or the friends of the well-to-do who live off the labour of others?[/p][/quote]Yes, let's make into a commune and we'll all benefit from everybody's efforts. You weren't Wolfie in an earlier existence maybe? "Power to the People!" lakesailor
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3:18pm Thu 26 Apr 12

Sawreyispoke says...

Everywhere needs a convention centre. People will be able to wander past the "entry for delegates only" signs and say "thats our convention centre" and feel proud...or not as the case might be. Will it benefit the area or just be a blot on the landscape? I hope, the former will be the case, but experience tells me the latter is more likely. Do you really want more 'with it' men in spotty ties driving BMWs and making 'vital' phone calls in fag breaks. Now if they held a naturist convention.....I could be persuaded of a certain merit, if you follow my drift... evening swims and all that sort of thing.
Everywhere needs a convention centre. People will be able to wander past the "entry for delegates only" signs and say "thats our convention centre" and feel proud...or not as the case might be. Will it benefit the area or just be a blot on the landscape? I hope, the former will be the case, but experience tells me the latter is more likely. Do you really want more 'with it' men in spotty ties driving BMWs and making 'vital' phone calls in fag breaks. Now if they held a naturist convention.....I could be persuaded of a certain merit, if you follow my drift... evening swims and all that sort of thing. Sawreyispoke
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3:30pm Thu 26 Apr 12

B.Pedreaper says...

More Lakeshore vandalism and more traffic congestion.
Build it in Kendal, if at all.
More Lakeshore vandalism and more traffic congestion. Build it in Kendal, if at all. B.Pedreaper
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6:38pm Thu 26 Apr 12

laker1 says...

Brilliant idea - build it in Kendal and it can go the way of K Village
Brilliant idea - build it in Kendal and it can go the way of K Village laker1
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7:08pm Thu 26 Apr 12

twitchy says...

Silly waste of money when there is a suitable site closer to Windermere at Brockhole with a new jetty--the building with some development and tlc would make a great conference centre. There is also plenty of space to build up to the roadside.
When will the LDNPA understand that it should be conserving and preserving the national park and utilize the already large footprint that is Brockhole. Another under used and expensive building is just NOT necessary.
Silly waste of money when there is a suitable site closer to Windermere at Brockhole with a new jetty--the building with some development and tlc would make a great conference centre. There is also plenty of space to build up to the roadside. When will the LDNPA understand that it should be conserving and preserving the national park and utilize the already large footprint that is Brockhole. Another under used and expensive building is just NOT necessary. twitchy
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7:22pm Thu 26 Apr 12

laker1 says...

Where on earth does the LDNPA come into this aprt from granting planning permission - this is a business venture by a major local business that employs, I would imagine hundreds of people, many local. It's because of the prats who wanted the speed limit on the lake in the first place that businesses have to diversify to survive. Brockhole is an excellent site but I don't think it belongs to the group that owns the Lowwood and I would imagine that if they offered to buy it, there would be uproar from the same people who have caused these problems in the first place. It really is time to get into the real world and go forward. In terms of emplyment and wages the Lake District is a deprived area, let's support local businesses and get some real jobs in the area.
Where on earth does the LDNPA come into this aprt from granting planning permission - this is a business venture by a major local business that employs, I would imagine hundreds of people, many local. It's because of the prats who wanted the speed limit on the lake in the first place that businesses have to diversify to survive. Brockhole is an excellent site but I don't think it belongs to the group that owns the Lowwood and I would imagine that if they offered to buy it, there would be uproar from the same people who have caused these problems in the first place. It really is time to get into the real world and go forward. In terms of emplyment and wages the Lake District is a deprived area, let's support local businesses and get some real jobs in the area. laker1
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11:37pm Thu 26 Apr 12

lakesailor says...

Quite agree. Those who who think it should be at a different site are completely divorced from the reality of business.
They usually think "they" should do something about it. Whoever this mythical "they" may be.
Quite agree. Those who who think it should be at a different site are completely divorced from the reality of business. They usually think "they" should do something about it. Whoever this mythical "they" may be. lakesailor
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7:55am Fri 27 Apr 12

mailman1964 says...

excellent plan - desperately needed. ignore the backward thinking liberals.
the progressive left? only if you count going backwards!
excellent plan - desperately needed. ignore the backward thinking liberals. the progressive left? only if you count going backwards! mailman1964
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8:50am Fri 27 Apr 12

stephenhargreaves says...

Absolutely fantastic. Well done English Lakes Hotels. This is exactly what the Lake District needs. If it wasn't for entrepreneurs and high achievers in the area things would not be good. We need more innovation and forward thinking from businesses such as this that are willing to re invest in the area. You have my full support.
Absolutely fantastic. Well done English Lakes Hotels. This is exactly what the Lake District needs. If it wasn't for entrepreneurs and high achievers in the area things would not be good. We need more innovation and forward thinking from businesses such as this that are willing to re invest in the area. You have my full support. stephenhargreaves
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9:19am Fri 27 Apr 12

churchy66 says...

Fantastic looking building and superb idea, which will do wonders for the area, the Lake District needs to be dragged in the 21st Century and this scheme will certainly do that.
Fantastic looking building and superb idea, which will do wonders for the area, the Lake District needs to be dragged in the 21st Century and this scheme will certainly do that. churchy66
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9:22am Fri 27 Apr 12

Adam_Kendal says...

Brilliant News!! The Lake District needs new “useable” multi-purpose infrastructure. I for one (who actually lives in the Lakes – and doesn’t just have a second home here) do not think it’s an eye-sore, on the contrary I think it’s going to blend well!

As for the Friends of the Lake District objecting to the project, citing the “significant, adverse impact on the tranquil character of the lakeshore” why don’t they take a look at the buildings on the lakeshore in Bowness which are tired, dated and far worse on the eye?

It would be interesting to know how many for the member of the Friends of the Lake District “movement” actually live in the Lake District and how many are wealthy folk from afar who simply have a second home in the area.

Well done English Lakes!!
Brilliant News!! The Lake District needs new “useable” multi-purpose infrastructure. I for one (who actually lives in the Lakes – and doesn’t just have a second home here) do not think it’s an eye-sore, on the contrary I think it’s going to blend well! As for the Friends of the Lake District objecting to the project, citing the “significant, adverse impact on the tranquil character of the lakeshore” why don’t they take a look at the buildings on the lakeshore in Bowness which are tired, dated and far worse on the eye? It would be interesting to know how many for the member of the Friends of the Lake District “movement” actually live in the Lake District and how many are wealthy folk from afar who simply have a second home in the area. Well done English Lakes!! Adam_Kendal
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9:23am Fri 27 Apr 12

fellsman says...

twitchy wrote:
Silly waste of money when there is a suitable site closer to Windermere at Brockhole with a new jetty--the building with some development and tlc would make a great conference centre. There is also plenty of space to build up to the roadside.
When will the LDNPA understand that it should be conserving and preserving the national park and utilize the already large footprint that is Brockhole. Another under used and expensive building is just NOT necessary.
I think you need to try and get an understanding of how successful business works. If a company like English Lakes invest the sort of money needed to build a conference centre, you can bet it will be well marketed and well used and it will be of the highest standard (It has to be to attract the customers they will be targetting). Brockhole on the other hand is owned and run by an organisation which basically hasn't a living clue about how to run a successful business - why should they, it's not their money that they waste.
[quote][p][bold]twitchy[/bold] wrote: Silly waste of money when there is a suitable site closer to Windermere at Brockhole with a new jetty--the building with some development and tlc would make a great conference centre. There is also plenty of space to build up to the roadside. When will the LDNPA understand that it should be conserving and preserving the national park and utilize the already large footprint that is Brockhole. Another under used and expensive building is just NOT necessary.[/p][/quote]I think you need to try and get an understanding of how successful business works. If a company like English Lakes invest the sort of money needed to build a conference centre, you can bet it will be well marketed and well used and it will be of the highest standard (It has to be to attract the customers they will be targetting). Brockhole on the other hand is owned and run by an organisation which basically hasn't a living clue about how to run a successful business - why should they, it's not their money that they waste. fellsman
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11:16am Fri 27 Apr 12

life cycle too says...

Sawreyispoke wrote:
Everywhere needs a convention centre. People will be able to wander past the "entry for delegates only" signs and say "thats our convention centre" and feel proud...or not as the case might be. Will it benefit the area or just be a blot on the landscape? I hope, the former will be the case, but experience tells me the latter is more likely. Do you really want more 'with it' men in spotty ties driving BMWs and making 'vital' phone calls in fag breaks. Now if they held a naturist convention.....I could be persuaded of a certain merit, if you follow my drift... evening swims and all that sort of thing.
You seem to have given a lot more thought about the convention centre side, which will earn the money, and neglected the concert venue aspect.

Others have asked about the Shepherds Complex in Bowness and Brockhole.
I am sure that if they had either the space at the former, or the funds at the latter, they might have considered it - but they don't.

I support this as a welcome facility, and a pleasing design - just look at the Lakeland building in Windermere which is equally modern, yet not out of place.

The fact it upsets the FotLD is an added bonus!
[quote][p][bold]Sawreyispoke[/bold] wrote: Everywhere needs a convention centre. People will be able to wander past the "entry for delegates only" signs and say "thats our convention centre" and feel proud...or not as the case might be. Will it benefit the area or just be a blot on the landscape? I hope, the former will be the case, but experience tells me the latter is more likely. Do you really want more 'with it' men in spotty ties driving BMWs and making 'vital' phone calls in fag breaks. Now if they held a naturist convention.....I could be persuaded of a certain merit, if you follow my drift... evening swims and all that sort of thing.[/p][/quote]You seem to have given a lot more thought about the convention centre side, which will earn the money, and neglected the concert venue aspect. Others have asked about the Shepherds Complex in Bowness and Brockhole. I am sure that if they had either the space at the former, or the funds at the latter, they might have considered it - but they don't. I support this as a welcome facility, and a pleasing design - just look at the Lakeland building in Windermere which is equally modern, yet not out of place. The fact it upsets the FotLD is an added bonus! life cycle too
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11:23am Fri 27 Apr 12

laker1 says...

Anything that upsets the FotLD is an added bonus!!
Anything that upsets the FotLD is an added bonus!! laker1
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11:33am Fri 27 Apr 12

churchy66 says...

laker1 wrote:
Anything that upsets the FotLD is an added bonus!!
Hear hear!! And so say all of us!!
[quote][p][bold]laker1[/bold] wrote: Anything that upsets the FotLD is an added bonus!![/p][/quote]Hear hear!! And so say all of us!! churchy66
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10:59pm Fri 27 Apr 12

can't_sleep says...

Looks exciting - Ben can I have a job app please?
Looks exciting - Ben can I have a job app please? can't_sleep
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12:35am Sat 28 Apr 12

life cycle too says...

Good to see hydro electric used as part of the scheme - a wind turbine might have been too much for some to swallow!
Good to see hydro electric used as part of the scheme - a wind turbine might have been too much for some to swallow! life cycle too
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8:49am Sat 28 Apr 12

SamSykes says...

An excellent development for the area. I think projects like this in the Lake District are the way forward and will have tremendous benefit to locals and visitors alike. You have my full support.
An excellent development for the area. I think projects like this in the Lake District are the way forward and will have tremendous benefit to locals and visitors alike. You have my full support. SamSykes
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10:54am Sat 28 Apr 12

Lakeuk says...

“We have particular concerns over the visual impact of significant areas of glass fronting the lake, which are likely to reflect sunlight and generate light pollution.”

Talk about clutching a straws
“We have particular concerns over the visual impact of significant areas of glass fronting the lake, which are likely to reflect sunlight and generate light pollution.” Talk about clutching a straws Lakeuk
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1:19pm Sat 28 Apr 12

blade stall says...

you know if this development was on ullswater, or haweswater, indeed most of the other lakes you know id be on my bike looking to sign the petition against it... but its not, its on one of the busiest roads in the lakes, with one of the busiest lake shores anywhere in the world.. its not tranquil at all, its a thriving area trying to recover from the ridiculous speed limit. we have the ldnpa making (at last) some really well balanced commercial decisions at the minute, so why do we have to listen to all this poisonous hot air coming from these minority, unelected pressure groups, making claims that are just wrong??? its NOT tranquil, its a busy commercial area. tranquility exists on every other lake and should be safe guarded at all costs. what a great proposal lets hope it gets the green light.
you know if this development was on ullswater, or haweswater, indeed most of the other lakes you know id be on my bike looking to sign the petition against it... but its not, its on one of the busiest roads in the lakes, with one of the busiest lake shores anywhere in the world.. its not tranquil at all, its a thriving area trying to recover from the ridiculous speed limit. we have the ldnpa making (at last) some really well balanced commercial decisions at the minute, so why do we have to listen to all this poisonous hot air coming from these minority, unelected pressure groups, making claims that are just wrong??? its NOT tranquil, its a busy commercial area. tranquility exists on every other lake and should be safe guarded at all costs. what a great proposal lets hope it gets the green light. blade stall
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1:51pm Sat 28 Apr 12

laker1 says...

Spot on
Spot on laker1
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6:16pm Sat 28 Apr 12

LdOldTimer says...

People seem to forget that this place is in a National Park. For these people let me remind them that a National Park is a place of natural beauty which we all, well most of us, wish to preserve. People who wish to build a large building on the shores of a Lake do so purely for their own selfish business reasons. If this building was set back away from the road, there may be a glimmer of some reasoning, but on the shores of the Lake ? This spot that is proposed shows a wonderful view of the lake from the road when travelling from Windermere to Ambleside. Even though I live here I often comment on the stunning effect. Tourists especially must say 'Wow ! ". To even suggest to put up a large building here I find worrying.
People seem to forget that this place is in a National Park. For these people let me remind them that a National Park is a place of natural beauty which we all, well most of us, wish to preserve. People who wish to build a large building on the shores of a Lake do so purely for their own selfish business reasons. If this building was set back away from the road, there may be a glimmer of some reasoning, but on the shores of the Lake ? This spot that is proposed shows a wonderful view of the lake from the road when travelling from Windermere to Ambleside. Even though I live here I often comment on the stunning effect. Tourists especially must say 'Wow ! ". To even suggest to put up a large building here I find worrying. LdOldTimer
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7:39pm Sat 28 Apr 12

fellsman says...

The National Park is there to protect an area of outctanding beauty, however there has also to be a responsibilty from the NP to the residents and the businesses in order to sustain the area, it can only survive with investment - to stop the area from dying, which it will if businesses are not encouraged to develop and local (and I mean local) families are able to live here. The natural beauty has to live hand in hand with progress and I think that English Lakes are to be congratulated on designing something tasteful and fit for the future
The National Park is there to protect an area of outctanding beauty, however there has also to be a responsibilty from the NP to the residents and the businesses in order to sustain the area, it can only survive with investment - to stop the area from dying, which it will if businesses are not encouraged to develop and local (and I mean local) families are able to live here. The natural beauty has to live hand in hand with progress and I think that English Lakes are to be congratulated on designing something tasteful and fit for the future fellsman
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7:40pm Sat 28 Apr 12

twitchy says...

LdOldTimer wrote:
People seem to forget that this place is in a National Park. For these people let me remind them that a National Park is a place of natural beauty which we all, well most of us, wish to preserve. People who wish to build a large building on the shores of a Lake do so purely for their own selfish business reasons. If this building was set back away from the road, there may be a glimmer of some reasoning, but on the shores of the Lake ? This spot that is proposed shows a wonderful view of the lake from the road when travelling from Windermere to Ambleside. Even though I live here I often comment on the stunning effect. Tourists especially must say 'Wow ! ". To even suggest to put up a large building here I find worrying.
I agree LdOldTimer, well said. This is a commercial development and will add nothing to the natural beauty of the Lakes. As for employment it may provide that, for any number of Eastern Europeans.
I hope this potential blot on the landscape is refused.
[quote][p][bold]LdOldTimer[/bold] wrote: People seem to forget that this place is in a National Park. For these people let me remind them that a National Park is a place of natural beauty which we all, well most of us, wish to preserve. People who wish to build a large building on the shores of a Lake do so purely for their own selfish business reasons. If this building was set back away from the road, there may be a glimmer of some reasoning, but on the shores of the Lake ? This spot that is proposed shows a wonderful view of the lake from the road when travelling from Windermere to Ambleside. Even though I live here I often comment on the stunning effect. Tourists especially must say 'Wow ! ". To even suggest to put up a large building here I find worrying.[/p][/quote]I agree LdOldTimer, well said. This is a commercial development and will add nothing to the natural beauty of the Lakes. As for employment it may provide that, for any number of Eastern Europeans. I hope this potential blot on the landscape is refused. twitchy
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8:50pm Sat 28 Apr 12

blade stall says...

You know one of the most fascinating aspects of living in a democracy is the diversity of opinions people have, and developments like these really polarise those opinions, and all should be highly respected. However when you state the aim of a national park is to preserve its unique beauty, you ommit the second part of the constitution which is to promote business and access to all where appropriate. Without ground breaking schemes like these the lakes would die a lingering death, the jobs would go, and so would the tourists. Now im speculating that is no concern of yours.. but to all those with even a modicum of vision and legacy that idea is terrifying. i wish the development control committee the best of luck on wednesday and acknowledge the tough task they face.
You know one of the most fascinating aspects of living in a democracy is the diversity of opinions people have, and developments like these really polarise those opinions, and all should be highly respected. However when you state the aim of a national park is to preserve its unique beauty, you ommit the second part of the constitution which is to promote business and access to all where appropriate. Without ground breaking schemes like these the lakes would die a lingering death, the jobs would go, and so would the tourists. Now im speculating that is no concern of yours.. but to all those with even a modicum of vision and legacy that idea is terrifying. i wish the development control committee the best of luck on wednesday and acknowledge the tough task they face. blade stall
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11:34pm Sat 28 Apr 12

twitchy says...

blade stall wrote:
You know one of the most fascinating aspects of living in a democracy is the diversity of opinions people have, and developments like these really polarise those opinions, and all should be highly respected. However when you state the aim of a national park is to preserve its unique beauty, you ommit the second part of the constitution which is to promote business and access to all where appropriate. Without ground breaking schemes like these the lakes would die a lingering death, the jobs would go, and so would the tourists. Now im speculating that is no concern of yours.. but to all those with even a modicum of vision and legacy that idea is terrifying. i wish the development control committee the best of luck on wednesday and acknowledge the tough task they face.
With respect blade stall I can't see the "lakes dying a lingering death"if this development is withdrawn and since I do rely on tourism I am a concerned party. It is overdevelopment and inappropiate development that terrifies me. The Low Wood is already a well developed siteand try as I might I can't see it blending in or enhancing the Windermere shoreline.
[quote][p][bold]blade stall[/bold] wrote: You know one of the most fascinating aspects of living in a democracy is the diversity of opinions people have, and developments like these really polarise those opinions, and all should be highly respected. However when you state the aim of a national park is to preserve its unique beauty, you ommit the second part of the constitution which is to promote business and access to all where appropriate. Without ground breaking schemes like these the lakes would die a lingering death, the jobs would go, and so would the tourists. Now im speculating that is no concern of yours.. but to all those with even a modicum of vision and legacy that idea is terrifying. i wish the development control committee the best of luck on wednesday and acknowledge the tough task they face.[/p][/quote]With respect blade stall I can't see the "lakes dying a lingering death"if this development is withdrawn and since I do rely on tourism I am a concerned party. It is overdevelopment and inappropiate development that terrifies me. The Low Wood is already a well developed siteand try as I might I can't see it blending in or enhancing the Windermere shoreline. twitchy
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11:12am Sun 29 Apr 12

The Shop Doctor says...

It is to be hoped that those making adverse comments about this exciting development have taken time to review the proposals in full and are not providing knee jerk reaction to the concerns expressed by organisations such as FoLD who seem intent on looking to the past.
This is an excellent opportunty to provide an iconic and well planned facility that will help to maintain and enhance the reputation of the Lake District as a world class visitor destination.
English Lakes Hotels are a well respected family company who understand, and work extremely hard to meet, the expectations of their clients whilst being fully appreciative and responsible towards the environment within which they operate.
Such investment is essential to help maintain and develop a vibrant local economy that delivers not just for those who visit but for those that live and work in the area as well.
It is to be hoped that those making adverse comments about this exciting development have taken time to review the proposals in full and are not providing knee jerk reaction to the concerns expressed by organisations such as FoLD who seem intent on looking to the past. This is an excellent opportunty to provide an iconic and well planned facility that will help to maintain and enhance the reputation of the Lake District as a world class visitor destination. English Lakes Hotels are a well respected family company who understand, and work extremely hard to meet, the expectations of their clients whilst being fully appreciative and responsible towards the environment within which they operate. Such investment is essential to help maintain and develop a vibrant local economy that delivers not just for those who visit but for those that live and work in the area as well. The Shop Doctor
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1:28pm Sun 29 Apr 12

lakesailor says...

Shop Doctor
You appear far too rational and logical to comment on here.
In addition to your comments I wonder if any of the protestors are considering what the new building will be replacing?
A motley collection of huts.
Is that what people really want preserving?
Shop Doctor You appear far too rational and logical to comment on here. In addition to your comments I wonder if any of the protestors are considering what the new building will be replacing? A motley collection of huts. Is that what people really want preserving? lakesailor
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9:12pm Sun 29 Apr 12

fellsman says...

150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past
150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past fellsman
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11:43pm Sun 29 Apr 12

twitchy says...

fellsman wrote:
150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past
There is nothing wrong with preserving the past a lot of the Lakes attractions are just that...Wordsworth,Be
atrix Potter to name just two of the long dead but well preserved, and rightly so. New, innovative and ground breaking does not always mean desirable, and in an area that promotes its scenery, its history and its tranquility needs to look very carefully at the impact any new development might make.
[quote][p][bold]fellsman[/bold] wrote: 150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past[/p][/quote]There is nothing wrong with preserving the past a lot of the Lakes attractions are just that...Wordsworth,Be atrix Potter to name just two of the long dead but well preserved, and rightly so. New, innovative and ground breaking does not always mean desirable, and in an area that promotes its scenery, its history and its tranquility needs to look very carefully at the impact any new development might make. twitchy
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7:47am Mon 30 Apr 12

fellsman says...

Fine - but the past has got to live with the future - I love the beauty, and the history, but we can't live in a museum - we never have and I hope we never will
Fine - but the past has got to live with the future - I love the beauty, and the history, but we can't live in a museum - we never have and I hope we never will fellsman
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11:02am Mon 30 Apr 12

Kendmoor says...

sounds like a good plan! I wonder what kind of concerts we can expect? exciting stuff!
sounds like a good plan! I wonder what kind of concerts we can expect? exciting stuff! Kendmoor
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11:13am Mon 30 Apr 12

life cycle too says...

fellsman wrote:
150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past
It's just the latest in a long line of questionable applications...! :-)

You forgot to mention Wray Castle? Old Bridge House? Stott Park Bobbin Mill - how did they ever get away with such developments?

Of course we should preserve the past - but which bits?
I see ricketts (tragically) made a reappearance in London early this year - it used to be commonplace when the developments I mentioned were built! Luckily we have moved on in medical terms - we just need our architecture to catch up!
[quote][p][bold]fellsman[/bold] wrote: 150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past[/p][/quote]It's just the latest in a long line of questionable applications...! :-) You forgot to mention Wray Castle? Old Bridge House? Stott Park Bobbin Mill - how did they ever get away with such developments? Of course we should preserve the past - but which bits? I see ricketts (tragically) made a reappearance in London early this year - it used to be commonplace when the developments I mentioned were built! Luckily we have moved on in medical terms - we just need our architecture to catch up! life cycle too
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1:56pm Mon 30 Apr 12

fellsman says...

life cycle too wrote:
fellsman wrote:
150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past
It's just the latest in a long line of questionable applications...! :-)

You forgot to mention Wray Castle? Old Bridge House? Stott Park Bobbin Mill - how did they ever get away with such developments?

Of course we should preserve the past - but which bits?
I see ricketts (tragically) made a reappearance in London early this year - it used to be commonplace when the developments I mentioned were built! Luckily we have moved on in medical terms - we just need our architecture to catch up!
You forgot about the slate quarries and other mines which scarred our beautiful landscape these are now seen as part and parcel of the Lake District and a vital part of our heritage (can you imagine what this lot would say about those!!) I say again we need the old and the new
[quote][p][bold]life cycle too[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fellsman[/bold] wrote: 150 years ago, these people would have been fighting against the coming of the railways, the developments along the lakeshore of the very houses (like Brockhole) they now wish to preserve as being within keeping. Time to move on folks, there's too many living in the past[/p][/quote]It's just the latest in a long line of questionable applications...! :-) You forgot to mention Wray Castle? Old Bridge House? Stott Park Bobbin Mill - how did they ever get away with such developments? Of course we should preserve the past - but which bits? I see ricketts (tragically) made a reappearance in London early this year - it used to be commonplace when the developments I mentioned were built! Luckily we have moved on in medical terms - we just need our architecture to catch up![/p][/quote]You forgot about the slate quarries and other mines which scarred our beautiful landscape these are now seen as part and parcel of the Lake District and a vital part of our heritage (can you imagine what this lot would say about those!!) I say again we need the old and the new fellsman
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2:32pm Mon 30 Apr 12

Blogtrotter says...

At last, a development to be welcomed in the Lake District. I look forward to using it.
At last, a development to be welcomed in the Lake District. I look forward to using it. Blogtrotter
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5:28pm Mon 30 Apr 12

onelocal says...

While I fully appreciate English Lakes Hotels desire to expand and profit from the ever growing conference business, I wonder why the conference center needs to be on the lake shore, taking up a valuable space which can be better used for other purposes. Placing the center on the shore blocks access to the lake as well as spoiling what is an iconic view of the lake and the Lake District hills.
I have never understood why a conference center, or concert hall needs to be in such a position. Attendees at business conferences are there for a purpose, to attend a conference. Views from the conference hall are a distraction.
It would be far more effective if the conference center was placed behind the Low Wood Hotel, leaving the lake shore and the beautiful views for attendees at such conferences to sit or walk and gain inspiration from nature.
While I fully appreciate English Lakes Hotels desire to expand and profit from the ever growing conference business, I wonder why the conference center needs to be on the lake shore, taking up a valuable space which can be better used for other purposes. Placing the center on the shore blocks access to the lake as well as spoiling what is an iconic view of the lake and the Lake District hills. I have never understood why a conference center, or concert hall needs to be in such a position. Attendees at business conferences are there for a purpose, to attend a conference. Views from the conference hall are a distraction. It would be far more effective if the conference center was placed behind the Low Wood Hotel, leaving the lake shore and the beautiful views for attendees at such conferences to sit or walk and gain inspiration from nature. onelocal
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5:47pm Mon 30 Apr 12

life cycle too says...

Onelocal - if you look at the pictures above, you will see that the centre will be to the left as you look at the view of Langdales etc., where the water sports centre is currently - the collection of various wooden huts which exist, and go largely unnoticed.

The view you currently see as you drive (or walk) past will still be there.

Behind the hotel is the car park and a hill - unlikely to prove suitable for building on.
Onelocal - if you look at the pictures above, you will see that the centre will be to the left as you look at the view of Langdales etc., where the water sports centre is currently - the collection of various wooden huts which exist, and go largely unnoticed. The view you currently see as you drive (or walk) past will still be there. Behind the hotel is the car park and a hill - unlikely to prove suitable for building on. life cycle too
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6:11pm Mon 30 Apr 12

laker1 says...

life cycle too wrote:
Onelocal - if you look at the pictures above, you will see that the centre will be to the left as you look at the view of Langdales etc., where the water sports centre is currently - the collection of various wooden huts which exist, and go largely unnoticed.

The view you currently see as you drive (or walk) past will still be there.

Behind the hotel is the car park and a hill - unlikely to prove suitable for building on.
Absolutely right - the site for the development is not particularly visible from the road at present - I don't think that English Lakes are stupid enough to block off the hotel from one of the best views in the country, so the iconic view will remain unchanged, only the unsightly development that is on the lake shore at present would be altered
[quote][p][bold]life cycle too[/bold] wrote: Onelocal - if you look at the pictures above, you will see that the centre will be to the left as you look at the view of Langdales etc., where the water sports centre is currently - the collection of various wooden huts which exist, and go largely unnoticed. The view you currently see as you drive (or walk) past will still be there. Behind the hotel is the car park and a hill - unlikely to prove suitable for building on.[/p][/quote]Absolutely right - the site for the development is not particularly visible from the road at present - I don't think that English Lakes are stupid enough to block off the hotel from one of the best views in the country, so the iconic view will remain unchanged, only the unsightly development that is on the lake shore at present would be altered laker1
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5:46pm Tue 1 May 12

love the lakes says...

I think the new conference centre is a good idea, i regularly use the lake and currently have my boat stored at the low wood. I think the un elected body, the so called 'fold', should move forward and stop trying to ruin the enjoyment for others, have they tried talking to the local businesses that have suffered from them getting the ridiculous speed ban
I think the new conference centre is a good idea, i regularly use the lake and currently have my boat stored at the low wood. I think the un elected body, the so called 'fold', should move forward and stop trying to ruin the enjoyment for others, have they tried talking to the local businesses that have suffered from them getting the ridiculous speed ban love the lakes
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11:21am Wed 2 May 12

Roger Cartwright says...

Who wants a hotel that could be anywhere in the world?
I was disappointed by the extreme commercial development when I visited Banff National Park in 1994. I thought how lucky we were not to have such massive ugly hotels, (probably convention/conferenc
e centres) in our National Parks!
Who wants a hotel that could be anywhere in the world? I was disappointed by the extreme commercial development when I visited Banff National Park in 1994. I thought how lucky we were not to have such massive ugly hotels, (probably convention/conferenc e centres) in our National Parks! Roger Cartwright
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12:40pm Wed 2 May 12

life cycle too says...

If you saw the report on TV last night, the FotLD spokesperson was stood espousing the virtues and importance of the traditional materials on the lake - and just to his right in the background was a "Miss Cumbria" water bus.

Not traditional wooden boats, but glass and plastic greenhouses full of tourists, plying their trade.
Even the yachts at lo Wood are fibre glass and aluminium masts, which have not the slightest resemblance to the "traditional" sailing craft of Lake Windermere!

So how come Jack Ellerby is not urging the removal of ALL plastic craft from the lake while he decries this modern land based design?

Jack, if you are reading this, look at how the Lakes USED to look - and ask if or at which point we should have stopped all development of the area?

https://picasaweb.go
ogle.com/WindermereC
umbria/WindermereOld
Photos
If you saw the report on TV last night, the FotLD spokesperson was stood espousing the virtues and importance of the traditional materials on the lake - and just to his right in the background was a "Miss Cumbria" water bus. Not traditional wooden boats, but glass and plastic greenhouses full of tourists, plying their trade. Even the yachts at lo Wood are fibre glass and aluminium masts, which have not the slightest resemblance to the "traditional" sailing craft of Lake Windermere! So how come Jack Ellerby is not urging the removal of ALL plastic craft from the lake while he decries this modern land based design? Jack, if you are reading this, look at how the Lakes USED to look - and ask if or at which point we should have stopped all development of the area? https://picasaweb.go ogle.com/WindermereC umbria/WindermereOld Photos life cycle too
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2:13pm Wed 2 May 12

Ben Berry says...

Well it passed overwhemingly 12 to 1. The only against was a Lib Dem councillor.

We've been at Low Wood 60 years and we look forward to the next 60.
Well it passed overwhemingly 12 to 1. The only against was a Lib Dem councillor. We've been at Low Wood 60 years and we look forward to the next 60. Ben Berry
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2:18pm Wed 2 May 12

ianrosie says...

Ben Berry wrote:
Well it passed overwhemingly 12 to 1. The only against was a Lib Dem councillor.

We've been at Low Wood 60 years and we look forward to the next 60.
Delighted for your family and the staff of English Lakes Hotels Ben!
[quote][p][bold]Ben Berry[/bold] wrote: Well it passed overwhemingly 12 to 1. The only against was a Lib Dem councillor. We've been at Low Wood 60 years and we look forward to the next 60.[/p][/quote]Delighted for your family and the staff of English Lakes Hotels Ben! ianrosie
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4:00pm Wed 2 May 12

laker1 says...

Ben Berry wrote:
Well it passed overwhemingly 12 to 1. The only against was a Lib Dem councillor.

We've been at Low Wood 60 years and we look forward to the next 60.
Well done Ben - well done National Park - perhaps there may be some hope for the future - lets have more inspiring designs that will blend in so well with the beauty of the area and its heritage
[quote][p][bold]Ben Berry[/bold] wrote: Well it passed overwhemingly 12 to 1. The only against was a Lib Dem councillor. We've been at Low Wood 60 years and we look forward to the next 60.[/p][/quote]Well done Ben - well done National Park - perhaps there may be some hope for the future - lets have more inspiring designs that will blend in so well with the beauty of the area and its heritage laker1
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